NLXSK1
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What if you dont know who is the aggressor and who is the defender? What if both of them are calling out for your offensive help... You cannot act defensively if you are not being attacked so that is the case right?
This is gonna get interesting! Militia takes over Ore. federal building after protest.
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ChesusRice
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Rob Roy has stated that if you intervene to help stop an adult from fucking a child you are a molester.
NLXSK1
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No he has not. Would you get off the pedophile schtick? It is disturbing...
Rob Roy
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By my personal code, I am not morally authorized to initiate aggression.
However WHERE the fight is taking place can be an element of how to resolve it. If it is on MY property, I have a right to intervene and remove either or both fighters.
While there is no moral obligation to become involved in other peoples disputes, if both are seeking help, it might be a sign neither wants to fight anymore. If you do intervene with the purpose of separating them, you might be performing an act of neutrality and "saving" both of them or you could be "aggressing against" both of them.
Your question is a good one and highlights why property rights can be used to solve problems.
What do you suggest happen? What would you do?
Actually in a fit of temporary sanity you responded favorably to a statement awhile back that I made about gay people seeking permission from the state to marry was really them asking the state for equal oppression, since they would now like straight people "need state permission".
Also, you're not ignoring me, you are maligning me, because I call out your contradictions and don't fit into one of your little boxes.
Rob Roy
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Nice perverted twist you used there... For a minute please take your hand out of your pants and I'll ask you a generic question or two...
If you intervene in the lives of people that are capable of consenting to having an interaction which only involves them would you say that you are acting in a defensive way or an offensive way when you intervene?
In other words do you approve of third parties interjecting themselves into other peoples business wherein the other people are capable of forming consent and do consent?
Also, the questions I pose above are rhetorical, so there's no need for you to reply with a distracting answer. By virtue of your history of advocating prohibitionist laws, I think your position is already clear. Have a nice day.
NLXSK1
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Ok, lets use property rights to solve the problem. Stan went over to Bob's house and took Bob's Toaster. Bob wasnt home so he could not stop him. When Bob got home he noticed his missing toaster and trespassed upon Stan's land to go get it. Stan decided to stop him so now both bob and stan are on Stan's land fighting it out.
Stan is yelling for you to get bob off his land because he is trespassing and bob is yelling for you to attack stan because stan stole his toaster.
Why are you asking me what I would do? This is a discussion of your philosophy of how life should work.
So, would you trespass on Stan's land? Would you if Stan injured Bob and Bob needed medical attention? When can you violate Stan's property rights if ever?
Rob Roy
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If there is clear evidence of a toaster theft, I think the owner of the toaster has the right to recover it. The toaster thief is liable for the level of harm he created to the person(s) he harmed. It comes to down to who initiated the harm...who broke the peaceful neutrality first.
How the toaster gets recovered could happen in a number of ways. This reminds me of a story many years ago. Some neighborhood kids and I built a kids fort in the woods and an adult came and took a piece of plywood from it to use for something or other around his house.
Being kids, most of the gang figured "the authority" , the adult, had spoken and our plywood roof was gone forever. The rest of the story includes me, knocking on the adults door, getting him to confess to the theft. and me recovering the property and then lumping the plywood back to our fort.
I was asking you what you would do in your toaster scenario, because I'm curious.
Rob Roy
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I see you now have both hands in your pants and you are breathing heavy. I had hoped to use generic examples...Very well let's expose your hypocrisy....
Your hypothetical scenario is a little perverted, first if only ONE person consents to an interaction, BUT the other doesn't, the interaction should not happen should it?
On the one hand you purport to be a protector... but if you intervene when BOTH people consent to something and its none of your business....aren't you then an unwanted third party AGGRESSOR? Who are you protecting in that instance?
Your hypothetical scenario is a little perverted, first if only ONE person consents to an interaction, BUT the other doesn't, the interaction should not happen should it?
On the one hand you purport to be a protector... but if you intervene when BOTH people consent to something and its none of your business....aren't you then an unwanted third party AGGRESSOR? Who are you protecting in that instance?
ChesusRice
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You would die. And if you lived what's left of you would go to prison
Rob Roy
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I'm not saying you have a guilty conscience, but you seem unusually focused on shifting a generic conversation about consent to one that has elements of child molestation in it.
I guess maybe your having a pet robot could be a good thing if it keeps you from hanging around the school yard and at home indulging your perversions there.
I'm not sure why you're doing the internet badass thing either, but I suppose it's because you have masculinity issues and skinny arms. Have a great day playing with your robot.
ChesusRice
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You are the one advocating that sex with a child is ok as long as the child Consents
Rob Roy
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I'm not an advocate for that. I have an aversion to it.
However, I have an aversion to intervening in the lives of people who are capable of consenting to something if their interaction is none of my business. You CLEARLY think you have a right to run others lives for them. I do not.
Thanks for not sending internet death rays to assassinate me, you had me worried for a minute there, you robot fucking stud you.
ChesusRice
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Can a child of 13 consent to having sex with Rob Roy? Yes or No?
Answer the question or get the fuck out of here
Rob Roy
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While I appreciate you think you are making me an offer, I thought I told you already I was put off by your efforts to pimp out the babysitter.
Can't you just find a young looking robot and satisfy your urges that way, Prohibitionist?
pnwmystery
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You're insane if you think he was trying to avoid a confrontation. He actively sought one, in every sense of his actions. And lol Robert Higgs. Ugh.
Fogdog
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I put him on ignore a little bit ago. I'd recommend it to everybody. He is boring.
ChesusRice
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He is still saying children of 13 can consent to sex with adults
Fogdog
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Uhg. I'm so tired of that. Its boring. Put the jerk on ignore and this board will seem so much better.
ChesusRice
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done