Recommended nutes for a beginner growing in coir blocks

[Resinhound]

Because everything advanced nutrients says is true right?

"We use fulvic acid,so you dont have to worry about PH"...

Lol, "grandmaster" kit...what a crock of shit,lol.

 

[researching]

Canna coco A + B. Thats it.Designed for coco. Designed for mj. Designed not to run cal mag issues. Its easy to use.

Kiss

View attachment 3599253 Healthy. 1.6 EC @ 6 pH Canna coco A + B only.

View attachment 35992551.8 EC 5.8 pH Canna coco A + B only)

Are you in hydroton in both pics? If so that's not coco. No disprespect intended but coco grows need CalMag. I ran canna coco A&B for awhile and I needed CalMag. I was in coco coir. I now run coco chips and still use CalMag. I don't care if you have your PH on point, but CalMag is a must have. Those 2 are key for coco runs.

 

[researching]

You said basic, and you can have basic. Check out mbferts.com for killer nutes that are the same as AN for waaay less. Been using them almost 2 years and will never change as long as they are around. My feeding schedule is not basic, but just get the A&B and you are good, plus CalMag and ph between 5.7-5.9. Really you can use any nutrient you want. Even miracle grow. But calmag and ph are imperative. Coco is so amazing as a medium. Get that shit dialed in and prepare to be amazed.

 

[Psyphish]

Advanced Nutrients pH perfect isn't really based on pH buffers, they're just chelated. They work in all pH ranges, that's why adjusting and measuring the pH with them will only cause problems.

 

[MickFoster]

You don't need cal-mag if you use tap water. I've been growing in coco for years and have never used it - just GH MaxiBloom.

 

[rkymtnman]

H3AD's formula for Coco

 

[researching]

You don't need cal-mag if you use tap water. I've been growing in coco for years and have never used it - just GH MaxiBloom.

It could depend on your water too. Obviously hard water has more calcium in it. I used to use RO but where I live the water is so pure out of the tap, that is all I use. I will take your word for it, but I'm not going to risk it. Besides, it's cheap. I make a gallon mix of concentrate for $20.00 that lasts a loooooong time

 

[MickFoster]

It could depend on your water too. Obviously hard water has more calcium in it. I used to use RO but where I live the water is so pure out of the tap, that is all I use. I will take your word for it, but I'm not going to risk it. Besides, it's cheap. I make a gallon mix of concentrate for $20.00 that lasts a loooooong time

I don't blame anyone for using cal-mag if it's necessary. I mentioned using tap water because some of the prior posts insisted that cal-mag is "imperative" and with the right tap water it's not. Peace.

 

[medicalMonster]

You don't need cal-mag if you use tap water. I've been growing in coco for years and have never used it - just GH MaxiBloom.

Exactly.

 

[2cent]

Because everything advanced nutrients says is true right?

"We use fulvic acid,so you dont have to worry about PH"...

Lol, "grandmaster" kit...what a crock of shit,lol.

Have you even used them.... If i drop plants pH to 5 or leave it at 7.3 in coco I'd see problems FAST fact
I have used advanced for 2 years now running big plants 3-600w pulling 76oz off 8 in 2.4 .....never done ph and its been up and down fact
Have
Have I had any problems ....NO. .......... FACT

So yes I believe what they say.....its working like they say so why wudnt
Want a study that tells u why its true???? ugoogle it its alllll over studies on humid n fulvic. Uni research it everyone' does. Here another product telling a lot benefits from there humicz
ic acid - Fulvic acid organic plant food and root growth promoters

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[2cent]

Fulvic Acid:
Fulvic acid is a most valuable input in biological agriculture. It can provide a multitude of benefits for to both soil and plant. Advantages include:

• It is non-toxic.
• It is a powerful organic electrolyte.
• It enhances cell division and elongation. Root growth is magnified with obvious benefits.
• As a foliar spray, fulvic acid increases the plant’s oxygen uptake capacity with an associated increase in chlorophyl production and an increase in the permeability of plant membranes, improving the uptake of nutrients.
• It has a unique capacity to dissolve minerals and trace elements. This feature has tremendous import for fast-tracking the plant availability of rock minerals, i.e., rock phosphate and lime.
• Can interact with sunlight to enhance photosynthesis. This can be particularly valuable during prolonged cloudy periods.
• Can absorb a part of the harmful UV radiation. This property is also used to delay the decomposition of UV unstable active substances such as Pyrethrum.
• Fulvic acid is a potent, natural chelating agent, slowing oxidation and converting metallic elements into readily absorbable, bio-available nutrition with very small molecular size allowing fulvic-chelated minerals rapid entry through plant cells.
• Fulvic acid offers drought protection, due to improved moisture storage
• Fulvic acid can detoxify pollutants in the soil. They absorb toxins (reducing soil-life damage) and catalyze their rapid breakdown.
• Fulvic acid dissolves silica and magnifies the many benefits of this element.
• Fulvic acid is responsible for an increase in stomata opening and transpiration andassists plant respiration as well as improving the respiration of beneficial micro-organisms.
• Fulvic acid directly influences numerous enzymatic processes and stimulates the plant’s immune system.

 

[2cent]

Excerpts from The Fulvic Phenomenon
Dr. William Jackson “Organic Soil Conditioning” pg. 250

“An impressive number of field observations and substantial experimental evidence indicate that the fulvic acid fraction directly and/or indirectly influence the chemistry, physics, and biology of plant life.”

“At the same time the scavenging of heavy metals and the detoxification of pollutants are related to the fulvic phenomenon.”

“The functional properties of fulvic acid are vitally important in the nutrition of all higher and lower plants.”

“Some benefits of fulvic acid:

• enhanced seed germination & growth
• improved development of roots and shoots
• increased resistance to fungal attack
• enhanced uptake of nutrients
• increased plant metabolism of proteins
• chelation effects plant growth cycle
• increased activity of multiple enzymes
• enhanced permeability of cell membranes
• enhanced cell division and elongation
• increases synthesis of new minerals
• breaks down inorganic substances
• aids in the creation of fertile new soils
• pH buffering capacity-soluble in acid & alkaline soils
• scavenges heavy metals
• increases growth and yield of crops
• aids chlorophyll synthesis
• balances plant chemicals
• improves plant respiration
• detoxifies various pollutants”

 

[2cent]

Ic anything I'd say advanced didn't tell me enough!!! But was spot on with the main fact in question

Just my 2cent

 

[medicalMonster]

Mic drops.

 

[medicalMonster]

You said basic, and you can have basic. Check out mbferts.com for killer nutes that are the same as AN for waaay less. Been using them almost 2 years and will never change as long as they are around. My feeding schedule is not basic, but just get the A&B and you are good, plus CalMag and ph between 5.7-5.9. Really you can use any nutrient you want. Even miracle grow. But calmag and ph are imperative. Coco is so amazing as a medium. Get that shit dialed in and prepare to be amazed.

I agree totally 100% except miracle NO! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

but i dont have first hand experience so my opinion means nothing. Don't use miracle grow though.. In my opinion. with the cheap mj specific substitutes available with proper N-P-K levels

1/4-1/2 strength A+B and some CalMag seems to be whats coming up the most from people.

So choose.

GH
AN
Bio
Canna
Dyna
Im forgetting about 100. but you will get similar results and they all provide great results.

 

[Resinhound]

Fulvic acid is not a new groundbreaking secret advanced nutrients just figured out,yes its a chelater...no it doesnt preclude the need to ph.You can buy it by the gallon from bioag.Nice cut and paste. 2cent is starting to sound like a shill...

 

[medicalMonster]

Preclude means "no need to" - Had to Double Check that one.

I agree. Alot of people ask whats a list of things needed to start. NO MATTER what medium or nutrient or gods gift do you not start with

1. pH pen
2. EC/ppm Pen

Period. You just need to know. Period. I do however know they do a good job pH buffers.

But good doesn't mean not checking ... well its a 4-8 month project and depending your style a few hundred k worth of goods. So.. You would probably just want to be sure? no?"

Up to you.

What do you think and what are you getting from this OP (Grow4you) ?

Do you feel your questions have been answered? Anything more specific? We seem to be going off topic sometimes. Myself included.

 

[Resinhound]

Preclude means "no need to" - Had to Double Check that one.

I agree. Alot of people ask whats a list of things needed to start. NO MATTER what medium or nutrient or gods gift do you not start with

1. pH pen
2. EC/ppm Pen

Period. You just need to know. Period. I do however know they do a good job pH buffers.

But good doesn't mean not checking ... well its a 4-8 month project and depending your style a few hundred k worth of goods. So.. You would probably just want to be sure? no?"

Up to you.

What do you think and what are you getting from this OP (Grow4you) ?

Do you feel your questions have been answered? Anything more specific? We seem to be going off topic sometimes. Myself included.

Fulvics do not buffer Ph,thats a misconception.They are a chelater,a good one. But they arent the pancea thats going to let you not care about what you pour on your plants. If you are new to growing in general these techniques..using an ec/ppm pen and checking and setting ph are basic indoor growing skills you should learn...yes even if you use fulvic acid.

 

[MickFoster]

Preclude means "no need to" - Had to Double Check that one.

I agree. Alot of people ask whats a list of things needed to start. NO MATTER what medium or nutrient or gods gift do you not start with

1. pH pen
2. EC/ppm Pen

Period. You just need to know. Period. I do however know they do a good job pH buffers.

But good doesn't mean not checking ... well its a 4-8 month project and depending your style a few hundred k worth of goods. So.. You would probably just want to be sure? no?"

Up to you.

What do you think and what are you getting from this OP (Grow4you) ?

Do you feel your questions have been answered? Anything more specific? We seem to be going off topic sometimes. Myself included.

I have to disagree. I never use a pH meter, I just use the GH pH drops - works well, never needs adjustment, don't need 4.0 and 7.0 calibration solutions, or storage solution, and it is inexpensive. And I don't own a EC/ppm meter - I use the KISS method and it's not required - 7 grams of powder for a mature plant and they're very happy.

 

[Resinhound]

I have to disagree. I never use a pH meter, I just use the GH pH drops - works well, never needs adjustment, don't need 4.0 and 7.0 calibration solutions, or storage solution, and it is inexpensive. And I don't own a EC/ppm meter - I use the KISS method and it's not required - 7 grams of powder for a mature plant and they're very happy.

Ph drops work just fine too,just need something.Yes 7 grams of powder for a mature plant...my point is,if you have to feed at a lower rate its nice to have as a reference point until you get dialed in. This way if you change nutrients for some reason,you have a reference point to start from. EC is a good reference point.