Complete tard almost gets half a dozen people killed

doublejj

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Been asked similar questions in the past. My response varies according to who I am speaking with. My main thought is that I need to conceal better or lose the element of surprise. Another is asking "What do you think? ". Another is "Try to grab it and see.". Although, I rarely use the last one, unless she's cute lol.

Never challenged anyone to test me though.
My last words before using deadly force will be "Please don't hurt me!"....just for the jury's sake. I like to practice it at the range while snapping off the safety......
 

see4

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Been asked similar questions in the past. My response varies according to who I am speaking with. My main thought is that I need to conceal better or lose the element of surprise. Another is asking "What do you think? ". Another is "Try to grab it and see.". Although, I rarely use the last one, unless she's cute lol.

Never challenged anyone to test me though.
I'm kidding of course. I would never let on that I'm packing heat. The heat in the front of my pants is obvious, the heat in the back nobody knows.
 

budlover13

King Tut
Just saw a story on the 10 o'clock news about a Los Banos veteran and gun store owner who stopped an attempted gun thief without ever firing a shot
 

Fogdog

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i don't think so
Guns only have one point. To kill. Or that has been argued by some. If its only use is to kill I have to assume the guy with it means just that.
I get your point. Nobody should take out their firearm if they don't intend to use it. Same with any weapon but especially a firearm. Its not reasonable to expect others to assume benign intent. I stand corrected.
 

Fogdog

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i don't think so

I get your point. Nobody should take out their firearm if they don't intend to use it. Same with any weapon but especially a firearm. Its not reasonable to expect others to assume benign intent. I stand corrected.
So I've chewed on this for a bit. Its kind of funny to reply to my own post but I don't want our 2nd amendment defenders to get the wrong idea. I was a bit taken aback by @doublejj 's Ramboesque description of using bystanders as shields in his scenario of what he would do in a similar situation. I have a lot of respect for JJ and I don't think he said this casually. I'm also convinced that if a person straps a gun on, they are or have contemplated killing another person. So, that's the nub of all this. From what you guys say, if anybody feels threatened by another person, they have the right to shoot them. Florida has this law and its been used to defend exactly this action.

At a much lower level, I've been advocating the simple idea that owning a gun, for the average person, does not make them safer. Its clear that many gun owners think this is wildly ridiculous but study after study bears this truth out. As @budlover13 said we have a people problem, not a gun problem in response to my pointing out that the accidental gun injuries and death often occurs at home and is due to mishandling of firearms. I think he's right. Leaving guns at home in safe storage is anathema to some.

I don't own a gun. My dad did and he taught me how to shoot. I'm not afraid of one, I just don't think the risk is worth it. Statistics are on my side. Another statistic that gun owners might not like is that they are a shrinking minority. Gun ownership is around 32% in the US and dropping.

So, here we have a video posted by @Padawanbater2 showing a successful self defense that also could have gone very bad in an instant. Our resident population of gun owners love it. Paddy and I see how close it was to disaster and think that the risk wasn't worth the action. This is our opinion. However, I understand the reasoning behind the gun owner taking this act, I didn't at first but I do now.

From all this discussion, and thanks for having it with me, I'm also forming the opinion that the 2nd amendment is becoming a dinosaur. Guns on the streets don't make people safer. Gun owners won't lock them up. Gun owners won't accept the idea of safety certifications. And finally, developed countries like ours, think Canada, Sweden, Norway, Great Britain, France, Germany, all of which don't allow that hunk of iron to be freely waggled about on a belt or in your pants don't have the same level of gun violence that we do.

I suggest that those that want to maintain the 2nd amendment think carefully about protecting that right through education, training and situation awareness classes. Because you guys have lost me. I no longer support this right.
 
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medicalMonster

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Imagine you guys couldn't buy guns for a dollar at walmart with no license. No one would be dead!

Crazy kids creating ISIS and shooting each other.

Why don't you play with a bat and ball? Guns are so gay. Peices of metal with powder that shoot metal. . . . . . . . . . . . Do you know that the LHC in Switzerland is? Thats cool. Thats tech.

Cars? Women? Anything but metal coming out of metal lollllllllll

LOOK AT ME POWPOWPOWPOWPOWPOWPWOPWPOWPOWWW ~ GL when ISIS comes in the tens of thousands. Fill up that ar 15 "hunting rifle" bahahahaha. Last thing you see as your heads cut off is heckler and koch engravings. Job well done.
 

CrocodileStunter

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I've seen it all now. The libvestites always say that people being armed will not stop robberies. Now the libvestites are sharing videos of armed civilians clearly ending a robbery and the libvestites are victim blaming. Or better yet they are blaming people for not being victims. What kind of white ass Mayberry are you libvestites living in that citizens should no longer protect themselves?
 

red w. blue

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You think that being a Vietnam vet makes you a special operator? The best you can hope for is a discount at Denny's, because your having been in the service sure as shit doesn't warrant any additional respect from anybody.
I have worn the blue braid and have the ribbon on the left. Would you respect a good right cross?
 

desert dude

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To be clear, if nobody else's life is at risk, shoot the guy until your magazine is empty for all I care. The issue I take with this situation is with the safety of the other patrons of the barbershop.
Me too. The armed citizen saved them all. Nobody injured except the would-be murderers. Excellent outcome!
 

UncleBuck

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I've seen it all now. The libvestites always say that people being armed will not stop robberies. Now the libvestites are sharing videos of armed civilians clearly ending a robbery and the libvestites are victim blaming. Or better yet they are blaming people for not being victims. What kind of white ass Mayberry are you libvestites living in that citizens should no longer protect themselves?
yet another new sock puppet.

the embarrassment of being right wing must be getting to be too much for the regulars to handle anymore.
 

desert dude

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From what you guys say, if anybody feels threatened by another person, they have the right to shoot them. Florida has this law and its been used to defend exactly this action.
I stopped reading at this point. Florida does not "have that law", and neither does any other state. Post up the law you are referring to, and I will read it for you and show you that you don't understand what you are talking about.

To justifiably use deadly force, a person has to have REASONABLE CAUSE. Nobody shoots another person and then just shrugs and says "I was scared" and walks away free.

What do you suppose "reasonable" means in this context? It means simply this: when the circumstances are presented to a jury, will they conclude that use of deadly force was reasonable, and therefore justified. In such circumstances, law enforcement usually won't arrest the citizen-shooter.
 

red w. blue

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I wasn't a bystander. I was a victim. Guy on passenger side was trying to rob me his associate came up on the drivers side and shot thru the window. Get this: he pulled the trigger twice. I put it in drive when I seen him but jap cars have this fucking safety feature where if the engine is revving it wont engage, The second time he pulled the trigger the window exploded and I got hit.

Now here is the best part. It was a .32 caliber bullet, it went thru the window, thru the triple stitching on my coat and stopped on a rib.
I still have the bullet, I want to make a necklace out of it

As to the guy in the barbershop. He wasn't firing because he was in fear for his life, He was firing because someone had the audacity to rob him
Sorry you got shot bud.

A 32 auto most likely, while I have a KEL TEC 32 auto I got it for my wife its like 7ozs. I have a LCP with CT 380 while it is on my CCL I have never carried it, it was also for my wife, for me the 38 S&M, charter arms or a LCR snub with +p or a 9 mm like my LC9s is as for down as I go. I am not one to say what I would do, nor am I one to say what others should or shouldn't do or have or haven't done. In this case it seems to have worked out well and may have stopped the robber from killing others in the future, some may hear or know of this and could stop others from being robbed and killed we just don't know.
 

Fogdog

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I stopped reading at this point. Florida does not "have that law", and neither does any other state. Post up the law you are referring to, and I will read it for you and show you that you don't understand what you are talking about.

To justifiably use deadly force, a person has to have REASONABLE CAUSE. Nobody shoots another person and then just shrugs and says "I was scared" and walks away free.

What do you suppose "reasonable" means in this context? It means simply this: when the circumstances are presented to a jury, will they conclude that use of deadly force was reasonable, and therefore justified. In such circumstances, law enforcement usually won't arrest the citizen-shooter.
nope, last year a guy threw popcorn into another guy's face at a movie theater in Florida. The offended guy shot and killed a 45 year old man for being stupid. The shooter turned out to be a retired cop. He is now using Florida's stand your ground law in his defense.

When somebody is killed, they are dead. I know, duh. I was walking my dog in a field. Came across an old guy walking his pit bull. My dog barked at the other dog and both dogs strained against leashes. My wife went ahead with the dog and I had to pass grumpy old guy muttering and giving me the stink eye. I passed him on the trail but was pretty sure he was carrying and thinking of drawing. If he did, I was not going to let him get it free but it was going to get ugly and I could have been dead afterward. After that point, I realized that this society has passed a turning point. Any old grumpy man can draw and kill. He may or may not win in court but I would be dead.

The fault lies with gun owners. You guys are too full of Rambo and not enough sense. Gun ownership is declining. If you want to keep your second amendment rights, you need to do a better job of applying social pressure to others to get training, education, become situationally aware and most of all storing guns safely. 1 in 3 gun owners don't store their guns safely. Work on that. I've made up my mind but can change it if I see improvement in accidental death and on the street violence from simple Barneys that pulled their guns at the wrong time.
 
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Fogdog

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If the robbers had killed them all would you be happier?
no, not at all, why would you say such a thing? I know, you said it for effect but you must have read enough from my endless postings to know that I value every life. Even yours.
 
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