Complete tard almost gets half a dozen people killed

[Fogdog]

I'll take the CCW. What do you prefer, a portable can of anal lube to throw at your assailant?

Pun somewhat intended.

dude, really? Does it always have to devolve into the lowest level of discourse?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'll take the CCW. What do you prefer, a portable can of anal lube to throw at your assailant?

Clearly nothing at all as it will statistically result in the better outcome

 

[MuyLocoNC]

If even 1 out of 10 armed robberies resulted in murder you still wouldn't be justified in putting other people's lives at risk

The reality is that <4% of armed robberies result in murders

Unfortunately for your argument, that's not how it works. You aren't required to check current stats on survivability when faced with a gun in your face. It's very simple, they draw, they get put down. I may not do it while they are focused on me, but the second they turn their attention elsewhere, I'm ending the threat.

It's not for everyone, I understand that. It's not necessarily a team endeavor. But, I'm not handing my fate over to an armed criminal because you're skeered of crossfire. Pick up a weapon and participate or sit their wishing for the best...which was your preferred action in the first place.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Unfortunately for your argument, that's not how it works. You aren't required to check current stats on survivability when faced with a gun in your face. It's very simple, they draw, they get put down. I may not do it while they are focused on me, but the second they turn their attention elsewhere, I'm ending the threat.

It's not for everyone, I understand that. It's not necessarily a team endeavor. But, I'm not handing my fate over to an armed criminal because you're skeered of crossfire. Pick up a weapon and participate or sit their wishing for the best...which was your preferred action in the first place.

Picking up a weapon and ensuring a higher probability that you and/or others are killed in the process doesn't seem all that smart of a plan to me, considering less than 1 out of every 10 armed robberies result in murder

But then again, I know you're not much of a numbers kind of guy

 

[potroastV2]

It's situations like this that make me glad that I don't get my hair cut!

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Picking up a weapon and ensuring a higher probability that you and/or others are killed in the process doesn't seem all that smart of a plan to me, considering less than 1 out of every 10 armed robberies result in murder

But then again, I know you're not much of a numbers kind of guy

I'm sure the 1 in 10 completely agree with you. I know you don't get reality in your news sources, but the rest of us see countless, daily examples of armed citizens successfully defending themselves and their family, while ridding the world of individuals who are likely to kill down the road. I've read about four in just the last two days...five if you count this highly successful incident.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'm sure the 1 in 10 completely agree with you. I know you don't get reality in your news sources, but the rest of us see countless, daily examples of armed citizens successfully defending themselves and their family, while ridding the world of individuals who are likely to kill down the road. I've read about four in just the last two days...five if you count this highly successful incident.

And for every countless example you see, I can post a dozen more showing the exact opposite

Like I said before, the numbers and statistics are on my side of the argument, emotion and excuses are all you have

 

[MuyLocoNC]

And for every countless example you see, I can post a dozen more showing the exact opposite

Like I said before, the numbers and statistics are on my side of the argument, emotion and excuses are all you have

As stated, that's not how it works. You can sit there running numbers and googling stats, just understand the days of cowering and capitulation are over. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

And actually, you're claiming victory on a thread about an incident that demonstrates a successful implementation of my side of the argument. The other factor you're not taking into consideration, is we aren't asking for your permission or approval...we don't need them.

 

[doublejj]

I'm not gonna just sit there while they decide to go from robbery to rape or kidnaping or murder....I will fire at the first good opportunity. And I may use other robbery victims as shields to draw & get an effective shot to end the threat. as long as they are holding or near the gun, I'm gonna keep shooting. Even laying dead on the ground. I have plenty of bullets...

 

[doublejj]

And for every countless example you see, I can post a dozen more showing the exact opposite

Like I said before, the numbers and statistics are on my side of the argument, emotion and excuses are all you have

I like to use the old army "Foxhole test" when assessing people....Would my foxhole be better off with or without you in a firefight.....Paddy I'm not too sure about you.

 

[hellmutt bones]

More than half of the ppl that said would shoot have never been in a gun fight.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

More than half of the ppl that said would shoot have never been in a gun fight.

And probably (and hopefully) never will, but that has nothing to do with being prepared and willing. Until that moment, all you can do is prepare.

 

[ChesusRice]

More than half of the ppl that said would shoot have never been in a gun fight.

I have been in a gun fight. But I didn't have a gun. And having one would not of prevented me from getting shot

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I have been in a gun fight. But I didn't have a gun. And having one would not of prevented me from getting shot

Is it really a gunfight if you weren't returning fire. If you were just a bystander then you weren't really IN the gunfight.

Is it possible you were just shot?

 

[NLXSK1]

And for every countless example you see, I can post a dozen more showing the exact opposite

Like I said before, the numbers and statistics are on my side of the argument, emotion and excuses are all you have

He also has a lot of dead criminals... That is pretty good evidence.

 

[ChesusRice]

Is it really a gunfight if you weren't returning fire. If you were just a bystander then you weren't really IN the gunfight.

Is it possible you were just shot?

I wasn't a bystander. I was a victim. Guy on passenger side was trying to rob me his associate came up on the drivers side and shot thru the window. Get this: he pulled the trigger twice. I put it in drive when I seen him but jap cars have this fucking safety feature where if the engine is revving it wont engage, The second time he pulled the trigger the window exploded and I got hit.

Now here is the best part. It was a .32 caliber bullet, it went thru the window, thru the triple stitching on my coat and stopped on a rib.
I still have the bullet, I want to make a necklace out of it

As to the guy in the barbershop. He wasn't firing because he was in fear for his life, He was firing because someone had the audacity to rob him

 

[doublejj]

I wasn't a bystander. I was a victim. Guy on passenger side was trying to rob me his associate came up on the drivers side and shot thru the window. Get this: he pulled the trigger twice. I put it in drive when I seen him but jap cars have this fucking safety feature where if the engine is revving it wont engage, The second time he pulled the trigger the window exploded and I got hit.

Now here is the best part. It was a .32 caliber bullet, it went thru the window, thru the triple stitching on my coat and stopped on a rib.
I still have the bullet, I want to make a necklace out of it

As to the guy in the barbershop. He wasn't firing because he was in fear for his life, He was firing because someone had the audacity to rob him

You were very lucky.....Maybe the people in the barber shop would have been lucky too, after the bad guy's started shooting....

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I wasn't a bystander. I was a victim. Guy on passenger side was trying to rob me his associate came up on the drivers side and shot thru the window. Get this: he pulled the trigger twice. I put it in drive when I seen him but jap cars have this fucking safety feature where if the engine is revving it wont engage, The second time he pulled the trigger the window exploded and I got hit.

Now here is the best part. It was a .32 caliber bullet, it went thru the window, thru the triple stitching on my coat and stopped on a rib.
I still have the bullet, I want to make a necklace out of it

As to the guy in the barbershop. He wasn't firing because he was in fear for his life, He was firing because someone had the audacity to rob him

That's some heavy shit. The bullet definitely deserves to be memorialized, in acrylic or a necklace as you said.

If he had no fear, he is a stone cold mofo, the kind you probably should identify before robbing him at gunpoint. I'd love to see an interview with him and get his perspective and emotions he went through.

 

[ChesusRice]

You were very lucky.....Maybe the people in the barber shop would have been lucky too, after the bad guy's started shooting....

Why would the bad guys start shooting?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Why would the bad guys start shooting?

Why do they kill complying innocents with regularity? Morbid gratification, street cred, eliminate witnesses...cause they're bored?

 

[ChesusRice]

That's some heavy shit. The bullet definitely deserves to be memorialized, in acrylic or a necklace as you said.

If he had no fear, he is a stone cold mofo, the kind you probably should identify before robbing him at gunpoint. I'd love to see an interview with him and get his perspective and emotions he went through.

http://www.wistv.com/story/31072536/second-angle-of-barbershop-shooting-released-as-cwp-holder-speaks-on-incident