Complete tard almost gets half a dozen people killed

[doublejj]

I'll take this one step further.....he doesn't even have to have a gun. If he has his hand in his pocket and just says "I have a gun".....BAM!

 

[Padawanbater2]

Yes...

Can you elaborate on that?

I understand there's a difference between the intent of the suspects and the reaction of the victims, but if the worst possible outcome is the same in both cases (dead customers), how can you justify the customers action of pulling his gun and risking other people's lives?

Say they had knives instead of guns, would you still have the same opinion? Or if they had guns, but they weren't pointing them at people? Do you think it's OK to shoot somebody who is attempting to steal something from you if they're unarmed?

So it's no longer the robbers fault this situation occurred when someone else has a gun? It becomes this victims fault? The outcome was unfavorable?

I'm not arguing fault, I'm arguing whether or not the customers reaction was justified as he put multiple other people's lives at risk, it seemed unnecessary considering the circumstances.

 

[lawlrus]

I'm a lifelong southerner and gun enthusiast and I think that man should be arraigned on felony criminal charges, as he is unfit to carry or own a weapon. People like that utterly terrify me -- they're so delusional that they live in a fantasy Wild West world where they truly believe that in the moment of heat they will have the wherewithal to see a threat, draw their weapon, and fire on that target in the same way that they might during their weekly visit to the range. The real world is not the same as punching paper and when these wannabe operators decide to play God and start shooting this is not how things typically end. They got incredibly lucky in this case, but their pride and delusions of grandeur almost got children killed, and that is patently unacceptable.

 

[doublejj]

Can you elaborate on that?

I understand there's a difference between the intent of the suspects and the reaction of the victims, but if the worst possible outcome is the same in both cases (dead customers), how can you justify the customers action of pulling his gun and risking other people's lives?

Say they had knives instead of guns, would you still have the same opinion? Or if they had guns, but they weren't pointing them at people? Do you think it's OK to shoot somebody who is attempting to steal something from you if they're unarmed?

I'm not arguing fault, I'm arguing whether or not the customers reaction was justified as he put multiple other people's lives at risk, it seemed unnecessary considering the circumstances.

The perpetrators put every ones life at risk. You (the customer) have a right to defend yourself from deadly threats.

 

[doublejj]

I'm a lifelong southerner and gun enthusiast and I think that man should be arraigned on felony criminal charges, as he is unfit to carry or own a weapon. People like that utterly terrify me -- they're so delusional that they live in a fantasy Wild West world where they truly believe that in the moment of heat they will have the wherewithal to see a threat, draw their weapon, and fire on that target in the same way that they might during their weekly visit to the range. The real world is not the same as punching paper and when these wannabe operators decide to play God and start shooting this is not how things typically end. They got incredibly lucky in this case, but their pride and delusions of grandeur almost got children killed, and that is patently unacceptable.

...the guy deserves a Medal...I'll take him in my foxhole any day...

 

[lawlrus]

The perpetrators put every ones life at risk. You (the customer) have a right to defend yourself from deadly threats.

But you don't have the innate human right to put others at additional risk because you have chosen to "defend yourself." You don't know how the situation will play out and in most scenarios like this, the situation is only escalated with the addition of "good samaritans" who start shooting, which only leads to more loss of life.

 

[ChesusRice]

I'm a lifelong southerner and gun enthusiast and I think that man should be arraigned on felony criminal charges, as he is unfit to carry or own a weapon. People like that utterly terrify me -- they're so delusional that they live in a fantasy Wild West world where they truly believe that in the moment of heat they will have the wherewithal to see a threat, draw their weapon, and fire on that target in the same way that they might during their weekly visit to the range. The real world is not the same as punching paper and when these wannabe operators decide to play God and start shooting this is not how things typically end. They got incredibly lucky in this case, but their pride and delusions of grandeur almost got children killed, and that is patently unacceptable.

The guy drew his weapon because he had an opening when their gaurd was down. He was not in fear for his life until he pulled the trigger

 

[lawlrus]

The guy drew his weapon because he had an opening when their gaurd was down. He was not in fear for his life until he pulled the trigger

And this makes the situation even more unacceptable and, in my opinion, makes him even more culpable for the risk he put the other patrons in.

 

[spandy]

The customer chose to risk his life and the lives of everybody in the room over the armed robbery that was taking place. Every law enforcement organization in the country will tell you not to risk your life over something as petty as money. If he was the only person inside the barber shop when he did that, that's fine, but what if shotgun guy killed the customer, then decided to kill everybody else so there wouldn't be any witnesses to identify him? The only reason anyone could defend his actions is because shotgun guy and handgun guy clearly didn't come in looking to take lives, if even one person got shot or killed because of his actions they would be indefensible. Unbelievably lucky this situation didn't turn out differently.

I dont need permission from anyone in any building to defend myself when I have a gun pointed at me.

 

[doublejj]

The guy drew his weapon because he had an opening when their gaurd was down. He was not in fear for his life until he pulled the trigger

Lesson #1....never let your guard down while you are threatening peoples lives....could end badly

 

[doublejj]

I dont need permission from anyone in any building to defend myself when I have a gun pointed at me.

Only Mr. Smith & Wesson....

 

[ChesusRice]

Ok I looked at the video.
The customer with the gun did a good job. He wasn't reckless.

 

[lawlrus]

I dont need permission from anyone in any building to defend myself when I have a gun pointed at me.

And that's where we differ in general worldviews, I suppose, because what you just said tells me that you are the type to pick and choose which freedoms you would like to exercise while disregarding the same liberties (not to mention the physical safety and mental well-being) of others around you. People like you are just as scary to me as the criminal.

 

[spandy]

And that's where we differ in general worldviews, I suppose, because what you just said tells me that you are the type to pick and choose which freedoms you would like to exercise while disregarding the same liberties (not to mention the physical safety and mental well-being) of others around you. People like you are just as scary to me as the criminal.

Then stay at home.

 

[doublejj]

But you don't have the innate human right to put others at additional risk because you have chosen to "defend yourself." You don't know how the situation will play out and in most scenarios like this, the situation is only escalated with the addition of "good samaritans" who start shooting, which only leads to more loss of life.

The hell I don't!....
P.S. I'd rather die at the hands of a well intended good Samaritan than a thug any day...

 

[spandy]

I'm sorry for your family and for your neighbors that you're such a coward.

Says the guy who would just sit there with the other do nothings and hope the baddies just went away.

 

[doublejj]

Says the guy who would just sit there with the other do nothings and hope the baddies just went away.

Because of stiffer penalties & longer sentences, robbers are more likely to shoot witness today....

 

[lawlrus]

Says the guy who would just sit there with the other do nothings and hope the baddies just went away.

Life is a series of cost-benefit analyses. For me, the benefit of not living in cowering fear on a daily basis outweighs the feeling of power and security that carrying a firearm provides. Live your life how you choose...I just hope that I'm never there in the crossfire when you people decide that you're bored with your life and want to pretend to be John Rambo.

 

[qwizoking]

i for one agree with the folk sayin he was in the right.
imo and from my experience
i spend alot of time in the ghetto. i cant think of any innocent folk getting hurt from situationsl ike this. however i can think of multiple failed robberies in my city just this year because of people like this.

 

[doublejj]

Life is a series of cost-benefit analyses. For me, the benefit of not living in cowering fear on a daily basis outweighs the feeling of power and security that carrying a firearm provides. Live your life how you choose...I just hope that I'm never there in the crossfire when you people decide that you're bored with your life and want to pretend to be John Rambo.

Pretend?.....