Saudis vs Iran...who's going to win?

heckler73

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What do you call threats to close the strait last year ?
The further escalation of US deployments to the strait is being justified by the US government as a response to the seizure of the cargo ship Maersk Tigris last week by Iranian naval forces. In official statements this week, the Pentagon described the seizure of the Maersk and alleged harassment of another cargo ship on April 25 by Iranian forces in the language of war, denouncing the moves as “provocations.” US military officials described the Iranian move as “a provocative show of force by Tehran,” in comments to the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/02/usna-m02.html

Looks like a strange move, but what happened as a result? Yankee navy goes in there and that's it.
Not much of a threat, really. Granted, why they seized the ship is still a mystery. Was it bringing more American weapons to destabilize the region further? :mrgreen:
Do you know the answer to that?


Thus far, Iran’s leadership has denied any political motives behind the seizure of the Maersk cargo ship, presenting the incident as a strictly legal issue. Iranian officials claim the seizure was necessary to enforce a ruling by an Iranian court against the shipping line, stemming from the loss of some 10 containers of cargo in 2005.

The Maersk’s owners received notice Thursday that after an extended appeals process, an Iranian court had fined it $3.6 million in connection with the 2005 law suit. The company claims that it still has not received a full explanation for the sudden imposition of the large fine and takeover of its ship.

The takeover may have been initiated by elements within the Iranian military seeking to burnish Tehran’s anti-imperialist facade, even as direct negotiations between the representatives of the Iranian government and the US and European powers are thoroughly discrediting the radical pretensions of Iran’s clerical elite.

This line of reasoning gains credibility from the fact that the seizure of the Maersk was carried out in the immediate wake of the renewed Saudi bombardment of Yemen and fresh deployments of US aircraft carriers and other war ships to the region. Iranian officials may have green-lighted the sudden move, a somewhat reckless action which included the firing of live ammunition across the bow of the commercial vessel as it was sailing peacefully in international waters, as a political maneuver aimed to enhance Iran’s position in the ongoing P5+1 negotiations.

Yeah...I don't think that was anything close to what you or the Pentagon are making it out to be. And it certainly doesn't qualify as an invasion of another Nation. Or are you referring to something else?
 

Harrekin

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Where you been, they been screaming death to America for decades,....they aint got a big enough stick to act, or they would. That`s about to change.

Thanks Obama.

What do you call threats to close the strait last year ?
Nice sidestep, won't work tho.

Try answering the original question.
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
The further escalation of US deployments to the strait is being justified by the US government as a response to the seizure of the cargo ship Maersk Tigris last week by Iranian naval forces. In official statements this week, the Pentagon described the seizure of the Maersk and alleged harassment of another cargo ship on April 25 by Iranian forces in the language of war, denouncing the moves as “provocations.” US military officials described the Iranian move as “a provocative show of force by Tehran,” in comments to the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/02/usna-m02.html

Looks like a strange move, but what happened as a result? Yankee navy goes in there and that's it.
Not much of a threat, really. Granted, why they seized the ship is still a mystery. Was it bringing more American weapons to destabilize the region further? :mrgreen:
Do you know the answer to that?


Thus far, Iran’s leadership has denied any political motives behind the seizure of the Maersk cargo ship, presenting the incident as a strictly legal issue. Iranian officials claim the seizure was necessary to enforce a ruling by an Iranian court against the shipping line, stemming from the loss of some 10 containers of cargo in 2005.

The Maersk’s owners received notice Thursday that after an extended appeals process, an Iranian court had fined it $3.6 million in connection with the 2005 law suit. The company claims that it still has not received a full explanation for the sudden imposition of the large fine and takeover of its ship.

The takeover may have been initiated by elements within the Iranian military seeking to burnish Tehran’s anti-imperialist facade, even as direct negotiations between the representatives of the Iranian government and the US and European powers are thoroughly discrediting the radical pretensions of Iran’s clerical elite.

This line of reasoning gains credibility from the fact that the seizure of the Maersk was carried out in the immediate wake of the renewed Saudi bombardment of Yemen and fresh deployments of US aircraft carriers and other war ships to the region. Iranian officials may have green-lighted the sudden move, a somewhat reckless action which included the firing of live ammunition across the bow of the commercial vessel as it was sailing peacefully in international waters, as a political maneuver aimed to enhance Iran’s position in the ongoing P5+1 negotiations.

Yeah...I don't think that was anything close to what you or the Pentagon are making it out to be. And it certainly doesn't qualify as an invasion of another Nation. Or are you referring to something else?


Closing that straight is almost as bad as closing the canal one. Our infrastructure and manufacturing will suffer dearly and rather quickly if that source of oil is interrupted. Remember Iran can`t shoot that far so, "in the wallet" is a good strike.

If I lost Washington with no hope of finding it again, and my boss said .."find it or die or something", I`d put her to action, when she gets there say ..."boss, there it is"....

If I lost a BB, the plan would be very different completely. There presence alone brought end to the Iran/Iraq tanker war. Mo. and NJ, I believe did that deed.
 

OddBall1st

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What i find funny is most americans like the one i was disagreeing with think its USA USA when in fact it was many countries involved in this agreement or meetings some people do not get it
truth is USA is starting to realize there lies have caught up to them from Moon landing to what ever 2016 - 2020 USA like now are starting to get looked at as fools which many patriots feelings are going to be hurt ,, who many claimed is non sense as in YES WE WERE ON THE MOON to being silent and hiding

I should rephrase that USA has been founded on lie's and conceptions i been doing lots of reading lately one cannot rely on anything USA says like again down playing North Korea or binladen was in Iraq or weapons of mass destruction all lies list goes on to the moon and all videos have disapeared ,, to China stating that
200 high-ranking officials from the Chinese Space Program have signed a petition asking explanations from the American government and the release of classified NASA information concerning the American moon landings that would prove to the World that the moon landings were not an elaborately orchestrated hoax to fool the World about America’s space program capabilities.

These allegations have come up through recent analysis of pictures taken from the Chinese moon rover that allegedly found no traces of the American moon landings existing on the moon. lol wheres the flag i see no golf balls or coke can's hahahaa..

Again USA at one of there famous LIES




Funny how they want classified info as proof. but at least the photo`s are making news today



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-best-lesser-known-vintage-apollo-images/ss-AAgusPY



All photoshopped Right ?
 

oswizzle

Well-Known Member
Iran would spank the Camel riding Carpet Genies ...

Iran has War Exp in recent history and has indigenous Military Hardware all made in Iran...

Saudis can barely keep the Houthi in check... Imagine a bunch of Head Chopping Dumb Ass Caveman taking on a country that has historically never lost its Land to anyone ... not to mention Saudi's bad karma from being related to that Tainted Khazar Gene shared with the Turks
 

pnwmystery

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Saudis can barely keep the Houthi in check... Imagine a bunch of Head Chopping Dumb Ass Caveman taking on a country that has historically never lost its Land to anyone
You may or may not want to check your history there. Unless you mean modern history...

... not to mention Saudi's bad karma from being related to that Tainted Khazar Gene shared with the Turks
Oh FFS. Yeah, and what the Iranians are pure Aryan? :roll:
 

OddBall1st

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Pfff...

You guys do full blown coups, not hostage taking.
Coup attempts are for the brave, Hostages are for the cowards that can`t fight,.....So How many times has The USA taken foreign hostages and How many has Iran done ?

I answered yours to the best of my memory, can`t you do the same ?
 

Harrekin

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Coup attempts are for the brave, Hostages are for the cowards that can`t fight,.....So How many times has The USA taken foreign hostages and How many has Iran done ?

I answered yours to the best of my memory, can`t you do the same ?
How many times has Iran declared non-defensive wars against other countries?

How many times has America?
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
Iran would spank the Camel riding Carpet Genies ...

Iran has War Exp in recent history and has indigenous Military Hardware all made in Iran...

Saudis can barely keep the Houthi in check... Imagine a bunch of Head Chopping Dumb Ass Caveman taking on a country that has historically never lost its Land to anyone ... not to mention Saudi's bad karma from being related to that Tainted Khazar Gene shared with the Turks

So when SA sponsored our Navy and Airlift back in 1990,vs Iraq run by Hussen, How come all the Mid. East badasses did nothing about it ?
 

OddBall1st

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How many times has Iran declared non-defensive wars against other countries?

How many times has America?
That does not even come close to answering my question, not even same topic,you insisted I answer yours, I did, now you play game, Get the fuck out of my conversation,

The US has attacked more Nations on this planet than anyone else, they reserve the Right to decide their own reason for the attack If there is a Nation willing to stand up and do something about it, then so be it.

Iran has no such muscles. Neither do little green people from N of England. Those that do, just observed and learned.
 

Harrekin

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That does not even come close to answering my question, not even same topic,you insisted I answer yours, I did, now you play game, Get the fuck out of my conversation,

The US has attacked more Nations on this planet than anyone else, they reserve the Right to decide their own reason for the attack If there is a Nation willing to stand up and do something about it, then so be it.

Iran has no such muscles. Neither do little green people from N of England. Those that do, just observed and learned.
People like you are why foreigners think Americans are dumb.
 

OddBall1st

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People like you are why foreigners think Americans are dumb.

Ok, the answer you couldn`t muster up that I`m looking for, before you run over the horizon is,

The USA has never had to resort to foreign hostage taking because it was too weak to do anything else.

....and all you got to say is people like us are dumb....

Pump that water out, it'll neutralize your buoyancy.
 

Harrekin

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Ok, the answer you couldn`t muster up that I`m looking for, before you run over the horizon is,

The USA has never had to resort to foreign hostage taking because it was too weak to do anything else.

....and all you got to say is people like us are dumb....

Pump that water out, it'll neutralize your buoyancy.
Nope, I said people like you (especially vocal AND dumb as hell) make Americans SEEM dumb.

Did Iran commit a coup overthrowing the democratically elected and especially moderate Govt of America in exchange for an Islamic theocracy in 1953?

If you wonder why they chant death to America, it's probably that and the whole US supported Israeli genocide of the Palestinan people (who they consider "brothers" of sorts) thing.
 

OddBall1st

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Nope, I said people like you (especially vocal AND dumb as hell) make Americans SEEM dumb.

Did Iran commit a coup overthrowing the democratically elected and especially moderate Govt of America in exchange for an Islamic theocracy in 1953?

If you wonder why they chant death to America, it's probably that and the whole US supported Israeli genocide of the Palestinan people (who they consider "brothers" of sorts) thing.

So putting you in your place makes me dumb, What`s that make you ?

Iran is pissed because they couldn`t do shit to the Third Reich, and today, Still couldn`t. America is one badass Country. Iran, not so much.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
So putting you in your place makes me dumb, What`s that make you ?

Iran is pissed because they couldn`t do shit to the Third Reich, and today, Still couldn`t. America is one badass Country. Iran, not so much.
Blah blah...

Jesus, try to actually address the points instead of just flying the retard "Merica Fuck Yeah, We can't do no wrongs" flag.

And yet you still support Saudi Arabia and Israel, two of the most belligerent and destabilising nations in the region while claiming Iran is some kind of "problem"?

Then again, you are the guy who thinks "the Gay" wants marriage rights to steal your tax dollars...
 

OddBall1st

Well-Known Member
Blah blah...

Jesus, try to actually address the points instead of just flying the retard "Merica Fuck Yeah, We can't do no wrongs" flag.

And yet you still support Saudi Arabia and Israel, two of the most belligerent and destabilising nations in the region while claiming Iran is some kind of "problem"?

Then again, you are the guy who thinks "the Gay" wants marriage rights to steal your tax dollars...

Besides you, Who the fuck said I support Israel and SA ?

That`s the kind of cheap ass phony mutherfucker I accuse you of, cuz I have it in writing.
 

pnwmystery

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Nope, I said people like you (especially vocal AND dumb as hell) make Americans SEEM dumb.

Did Iran commit a coup overthrowing the democratically elected and especially moderate Govt of America in exchange for an Islamic theocracy in 1953?

If you wonder why they chant death to America, it's probably that and the whole US supported Israeli genocide of the Palestinan people (who they consider "brothers" of sorts) thing.
Hey we sold them weapons illegally they should be thankful (lol).
 
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