Texas, the new haven for terrorists

[undertheice]

Again, you have decided abortion is wrong in your morality. You did not address how your morality trumps anyone else's morality. I long ago stopped worrying about perfect english on the internet. You are smart enough to figure out where the apostrophes go, lets leave it at that.

You cannot suspend a man off a cliff because you are infringing on his rights.

funny, i thought we had already determined that the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents was morally reprehensible. i don't know anyone sane who would disagree. do you? i would imagine there are a few suicide bombers who might be said to disagree, but their justifications are more a matter of hypocrisy than conviction and their sanity is highly suspect. i thought we had gotten past all that and moved on to the justifications for abortion that are so similar to those bombers' hypocrisy.

would it make you feel any better if i had said i my initial statement that you were up on that cliff playing football with your neighbor's nephew and you didn't care enough to watch out for a man who, conveniently, had a rope tied around his waist and you sent him spinning over the cliff in an ill fated but spectacular attempt at a leaping one armed catch in the end zone? you can either waste you time picking nits or you can embrace the analogy and answer the question.


can't say that i blame you for dropping the apostrophes, i gave up on capitalization years ago. i was just curious if there might be another reason (keyboard malfunction or whatever).

 

[testiclees]

I am simply stating the facts. Those are abortion statistics and warnings on contraceptives.

Using contraceptives requires maturity and cooperation both partners to ensure the 99.9% success of them. Some contraceptives are less effective.

I personally will be explaining this to my daughter when she hits 11-12. The only 100% way to prevent pregnancy is abstinence.

The next 99.9% way involves the responsibility of using certain contraceptives properly. That requires a responsible partner. Having a young immature partner can reduce the efficiency of the contraceptive.

Unprotected Sex should be avoided unless you are married.

Sex ed and parents should be sharing that with every child.

Youre bloated with sanctimoniousness, sunday schooling us with your struggleville moral lesson of the day!
This drivel is as ludicrous and juvenile as the the crap contributed by your loutish pals.

Sophomoric 'moral' chatter on a stoner forum has as much gravitas and merit as the proclamations of your milquetoasty governors.The grovelling loudmouths who babble the mantras, the way of thinking and the faulty logic that it rests on, have become the ridiculous fringe. Extinction is on the horizon.

Here, the least intellectually competent and those most fearful of change generate the dullest, most myopic pleas to maintain a dying status quo. An effort to hold on to an nostalgic place that was toxic. uh, uh come again.

 

[UncleBuck]

could the vast majority of those unwanted pregnancies have been avoided if those involved had simply been responsible enough to use some sort of contraception?

it's a good thing that bible thumping moral crusaders like you are on a crusade against birth control then.

 

[UncleBuck]

is there objective evidence that rape or child molestation are wrong? no, in each case we place the needs and desires of the "victim" first. if we consider the needs and desires of the "perpetrator" to be of primary importance, then all of these acts cease to be crimes and might even be seen moral.

OMFG. libertarians are the best at providing the punch lines.

first he calls laws against pedophilia a form of tyranny, then he says rape and kiddy diddling might be seen as moral somehow.

you simply can't make this stuff up.

 

[UncleBuck]

tell me, am i ticketing and arresting anyone? no, it is society that afflicts us with often arbitrary rules and regulations and punishes us when we overstep the bounds of these laws. many times these will have a positive effect, necessary tyrannies inflicted on us by illegitimate authority. those who abide by the societal ethos have no need of these, but we suffer them for the sake of the illusion of security.

as to whose rights exceed whose, i'll give you three scenarios to judge the matter of our rights. in the first you have suspended a man over a cliff, simply because you felt like it. do you have an obligation to hold onto the rope? in the second you have suspended the man because he has threatened you with inescapable violence. do you still have an obligation to hold onto the rope? in the last you have suspended him because you were forced to. what is your obligation now? in every case that rope is burning your hands and you are unsure if you will ever be able to pull the man to safety or if you can even keep yourself from being pulled over the edge. consider these the three scenarios that lead to abortion. you hold the power of life and death due to your own negligence, as a matter of self-protection or through the actions of others. have any of your answers changed? the life is still a life. the pain and danger are just as real. you are just as unsure of your ability to endure the ordeal.

we can't help but judge and it is proper we do. such judgments are how we each come to an understanding of our own sense of morality. as i said before, i don't have an answer. prohibitions don't stop people, as is witnessed by all of the folks on this site, and punishment is problematic due to the grey areas like rape, incest and accident. we, as a society, have gone out of our way to erase stigma of and responsibility for abortion. as long as we value the fleeting pleasure of a sexual encounter above the responsibility for the life it may create there will be no end to the slaughter.


by the way, do you have an apostrophe? i know it's petty of me, but for some reason those missing apostrophes are really bugging me and i end up running through your posts and typing them in.

 

[NLXSK1]

funny, i thought we had already determined that the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents was morally reprehensible. i don't know anyone sane who would disagree. do you? i would imagine there are a few suicide bombers who might be said to disagree, but their justifications are more a matter of hypocrisy than conviction and their sanity is highly suspect. i thought we had gotten past all that and moved on to the justifications for abortion that are so similar to those bombers' hypocrisy.

would it make you feel any better if i had said i my initial statement that you were up on that cliff playing football with your neighbor's nephew and you didn't care enough to watch out for a man who, conveniently, had a rope tied around his waist and you sent him spinning over the cliff in an ill fated but spectacular attempt at a leaping one armed catch in the end zone? you can either waste you time picking nits or you can embrace the analogy and answer the question.


can't say that i blame you for dropping the apostrophes, i gave up on capitalization years ago. i was just curious if there might be another reason (keyboard malfunction or whatever).

I thought that we agreed that morality is subjective and thus placing objective qualifiers on it was pointless.

My argument sides for personal freedoms rather than governmental controls based upon a subjective morality that changes with the electorate.

 

[desert dude]

I thought it was Paris.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Youre bloated with sanctimoniousness, sunday schooling us with your struggleville moral lesson of the day!
This drivel is as ludicrous and juvenile as the the crap contributed by your loutish pals.

Sophomoric 'moral' chatter on a stoner forum has as much gravitas and merit as the proclamations of your milquetoasty governors.The grovelling loudmouths who babble the mantras, the way of thinking and the faulty logic that it rests on, have become the ridiculous fringe. Extinction is on the horizon.

Here, the least intellectually competent and those most fearful of change generate the dullest, most myopic pleas to maintain a dying status quo. An effort to hold on to an nostalgic place that was toxic. uh, uh come again.

What about my statements on contraceptives were false? Do you think I shouldn't discuss success rates of contraceptives with my daughter or the importance of sex with a responsible partner?

 

[OddBall1st]

What about the woman's responsibility to be careful who she is with, when she has sex, how she protects her womb from sperm and so on...

Noone inflicted this baby upon the woman in 90% of cases. 47% of abortions are from people who had sex without using Contraceptives. The others used Contraceptives improperly or they failed.

Sex is not something you can engage in without the risk of becoming pregnant.

Life finds a way.

What are you five ? A good blowjob and can jam makes a baby free time.

 

[Pinworm]

It was posing the question of morality being tied to laws.

I don't know, dude...it didn't read that way to me at all.

 

[UncleBuck]

It was posing the question of morality being tied to laws.

no. read it. he asks if there is objective evidence that rape and kiddy diddling are wrong. there is. that evidence is the victim of a rapist or pedophile, and they can be objectively observed, and the evidence of the harm caused to them is apparent.

fuck, he presupposes that rape and pedophilia are needs. they are not.

 

[Pinworm]

I felt dirty reading his comment. And, you are talking to a guy who doesn't bother showering for weeks at a time...

 

[undertheice]

Holyfuckingshitfuck. You are being totally serious right now aren't you?

while i've given up on little bucky, i'll explain this to you in hopes that you've got more brains than he. the subject was the necessity of objective evidence to prove moral issues. the quote that bucky has chosen to take out of context had to do with the simple fact that the evidence of the immorality of the sexual elements of rape and even pedophilia are entirely subjective, yet we still see them as highly immoral acts. we do this because we place the emotional and psychological needs and desires of the victims before those of the perpetrator. the emotional and the psychological are subjective by their very nature, yet we still consider these actions immoral without the need of any objective evidence. this is especially true of pedophilia, which often takes place without any physical trauma at all. if we demand objective evidence in matters of morality, such actions could be seen as completely moral.

all of this was understood by those in the conversation, but some folks would rather come in at the end and spew hatred based solely on their own ignorance. now you can play with little bucky and his brain-dead sycophants, trading childish insults based on out of context quotes, or you can take into consideration the conversation as a whole and pull up a seat at the adult table. either way it really doesn't matter to me. i'm back on the road in a couple of days and probably won't bother dropping in here again for quite a while. some things look best in the rear view mirror.


by the way, i prefer my walther p99c. it's 40cal and i already have a target tattooed over my heart for the day i'm ready to go. it takes a little longer that way, but i have an aversion to splattering my brains all over the landscape. too messy.

 

[UncleBuck]

the subject was the necessity of objective evidence to prove moral issues...the immorality of the sexual elements of rape and even pedophilia are entirely subjective

so you've added an addendum.

you have gone from "is there objective evidence that rape and pedophilia are wrong?"

to "is there objective evidice that rape and pedophilia are immoral?"

rape and pedophilia are only immoral if you believe that it is harmful to women and children if you rape them. if you are attempting to challenge or deny that belief, then you are a psychopath. a motherfucking psychopath.

we do this because we place the emotional and psychological needs and desires of the victims before those of the perpetrator.

rape and pedophilia are not needs.

the emotional and the psychological are subjective by their very nature, yet we still consider these actions immoral without the need of any objective evidence. this is especially true of pedophilia, which often takes place without any physical trauma at all.

are you really fucking serious?

do you not think you are fucking up a kid's brain for life, even if you go gently on his anus?

the emotional and psychological arise from the brain, which is physical, and responds to acts of pedophilia by sick fucks like you. rape and pedophilia have lasting effects because they fuck with the victim's brain long after you got done fucking their private parts without an invitation.

while i've given up on little bucky, i'll explain this to you in hopes that you've got more brains than he. ...some folks would rather come in at the end and spew hatred based solely on their own ignorance.... little bucky and his brain-dead sycophants...childish insults ...pull up a seat at the adult table

nice set of insults.

now try to rationalize pedophilia and rape some more as totally harmless.

 

[Rrog]

Like a convo with a psychopath, Buck. Don't waste too much time on him.

 

[cannakis]

Welcome to the New World Order, Texas style.

Open carry is just what the terrorists have been waiting for. Now they can walk around in Texas, fully armed to the teeth, and nobody can ask them why.

Why does Texas love the terrorist so much that they make it easy for them to slaughter innocent citizens? Granted when the terrorists attack a mall in Texas they will probably kill mostly Texans so we got to look on the bright side with that, but there might be some tourists included in the body count and that ain't right.

Should we make Texas take a Patriotic Loyalty Oath so they can explain why they let terrorists walk around with guns and shoot everybody.

They are Not letting just Anyone. It's supposed to be Citizens who have the right to open carry.

And yes I pray I don't Ever have to live in a place where I Have to bear arms on a Daily basis. But sadly there ARE places like that. And the right to Open carry protects against True Criminals walking around with illegal concealed arms waiting to attack. If you were about to go stick or shoot up a place don't you think you would think twice if you saw two guys in there with Pistols on their hips?!

When LITERAL terrorists are coming over the Open Unprotected border like in Juarez then I'd rather be Armed as well, because apparently the Feds aren't going to help.

Phoenix was and I bet still is, but hopefully not, is the Number 2 Kidnapping city in the world Second to Mexico City!

Yeah hate to break it to you if carry an Arm REGARDLESS of Any laws if I lived there!

Also remember everyone, it is Illegal to keep and bear Arms in Mexico! Yet has some of the Most Violent crime rate in the world!!!! And all the Good Mexican citizens are taking up Arms themselves EVEN THOUGH ITS ILLEGAL because the government doesn't protect them they're all half Corrupt!

 

[cannakis]

so you've added an addendum.

you have gone from "is there objective evidence that rape and pedophilia are wrong?"

to "is there objective evidice that rape and pedophilia are immoral?"

rape and pedophilia are only immoral if you believe that it is harmful to women and children if you rape them. if you are attempting to challenge or deny that belief, then you are a psychopath. a motherfucking psychopath.



rape and pedophilia are not needs.



are you really fucking serious?

do you not think you are fucking up a kid's brain for life, even if you go gently on his anus?

the emotional and psychological arise from the brain, which is physical, and responds to acts of pedophilia by sick fucks like you. rape and pedophilia have lasting effects because they fuck with the victim's brain long after you got done fucking their private parts without an invitation.



nice set of insults.

now try to rationalize pedophilia and rape some more as totally harmless.

Holy Shit didn't read the thread but read this GOOD LORD!!!

Good Man Bucky!!!

And @undertheice you Are one Sick twisted boy. Not a man. Not a brother. Not a fellow.

JESUS CHRIST says "To the least of these you have done to ME."

Would you have wanted to be molested and abused as an innocent child!?! Well before you answer MOST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD SAYS NO!

You need help. You and all the Sick fucks of the world "Christian" or not! Those actions are DESTINED FOR ETERNAL CONDEMNATION!!!

So I beg you sir Ask for Forgiveness and Amend your life! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Stop thinking about yourself and the "need" which are merely fleshly lusts and Think about others. To be first you MUST be Last! And to be Master you MUST be Servant of All!

 

[cannakis]

It's THIS twisted shit that we need to focus our Justice upon! NOT "drugs"! Makes me Sick! And sadly a Lot of our "leaders" are just like this.

@Rrog didnt you say that guy should be shot about his beliefs!?!

Well these people who perform these heinous acts DESERVE to NO LONGER walk this earth! They should be found guilty by a jury of their peers and Told they have 5days to live you Better make Amends for you are about to Enter into Eternity!

Chief Justice Thomas McKeen said that a couple hundred years ago WHILE ON THE BENCH!

 

[Rrog]

I'd rather be shot than be forced to hear more bible thumping

 

[cannakis]

I'd rather be shot than be forced to hear more bible thumping

Even If after waking up from being shot and you realize that there Really is something more!?! It's not about thumping and following this rule and that. It's just about Love and Forgiveness! Servitude towards all! A relationship with THE DIVINE! Where HE guides you and comforts you and counsels you. JESUS CHRIST says I did Not come to preach condemnation But Eternal life and the Kingdom of Heaven! JESUS CHRIST is Love Word and Truth manifest flesh. But he also says if you reject me before men I will reject you before THE FATHER. He's not telling you to Not do or Do that or this, just to Love HIM and Love others! I'd rather be ready than not.