good yield?

[az2000]

That's probably it. CMH is ceramic metal halide. It's more efficent. You might only need 50w/sq ft compared to 67.

It was talked about in this thread recently. There are some links to different options. I tried to summarize the choices around page 3.

 

[superloud]

That's probably it. CMH is ceramic metal halide. It's more efficent. You might only need 50w/sq ft compared to 67.

It was talked about in this thread recently. There are some links to different options. I tried to summarize the choices around page 3.

Metal halid isent good for flower is it?

 

[SPLFreak808]

I moved them to 7 gallons but don't people keep mothers vegging for longer?

Sure they do but 4 zips from a plant that size (5 month veg) is not normal! Unless you took clones and vegged the clones for 30 days then yes, 3-6 zips under a 1kw hps is about right assuming your plants were healthy and fed on time. There could be plenty of things that caused your low yield. Not enough fresh air, old bulb or defective ballast/bulb,dirty hood,cheap hoods,hard water problems,inaccurate pH testing,under-developed root zone ect... I would say genetics but you've tried different ones from a completely different mom/dad right? I want to help, not trying to sound like a dick but i can pull 2-3 zips from one plant (30 day veg) 300w spiral cfl's in a 3 gallon with regular ass ocean forest, that number will jump under an hps and there are plenty of growers here that pull 25-50% more then me! Post your journal link up here if you make one.

 

[superloud]

Sure they do but 4 zips from a plant that size (5 month veg) is not normal! Unless you took clones and vegged the clones for 30 days then yes, 3-6 zips under a 1kw hps is about right assuming your plants were healthy and fed on time. There could be plenty of things that caused your low yield. Not enough fresh air, old bulb or defective ballast/bulb,dirty hood,cheap hoods,hard water problems,inaccurate pH testing,under-developed root zone ect... I would say genetics but you've tried different ones from a completely different mom/dad right? I want to help, not trying to sound like a dick but i can pull 2-3 zips from one plant (30 day veg) 300w spiral cfl's in a 3 gallon with regular ass ocean forest, that number will jump under an hps and there are plenty of growers here that pull 25-50% more then me! Post your journal link up here if you make one.

I guess I will start a jurnal up. I will have to wait until my plants in flower are done. And start one with my new clones. All my plants have come from the same clone. Except my first two I grew.

 

[superloud]

Sure they do but 4 zips from a plant that size (5 month veg) is not normal! Unless you took clones and vegged the clones for 30 days then yes, 3-6 zips under a 1kw hps is about right assuming your plants were healthy and fed on time. There could be plenty of things that caused your low yield. Not enough fresh air, old bulb or defective ballast/bulb,dirty hood,cheap hoods,hard water problems,inaccurate pH testing,under-developed root zone ect... I would say genetics but you've tried different ones from a completely different mom/dad right? I want to help, not trying to sound like a dick but i can pull 2-3 zips from one plant (30 day veg) 300w spiral cfl's in a 3 gallon with regular ass ocean forest, that number will jump under an hps and there are plenty of growers here that pull 25-50% more then me! Post your journal link up here if you make one.

So your saying 1 month veg I should be getting 3-6 oz a plant under the 1000watt?

 

[MrStickyScissors]

So I've had three successful harvest so far. My first was with bag seed and cfl all the way threw. I ended up harvesting 2 females one at 1.5oz the other at 2oz. My second harvest was done with train wreck clones veg under cfl for a month and 1000mh for 3 weeks and flowered under 1000hps. 6 plants flowered for 11 weeks from flip. They all yeild around 1.5oz except one wich was a little over 2oz. My last harvest was with 2 train wreck veg at 5mnths under cfl. Got 4oz a plant. I know there are alot of factors in yield but what should I be expecting? Should I be pulling 4 to 6 oz a plant or is 2oz a good avrage?

you can get a high yield with little to no veg time with higher plant numbers.

 

[SPLFreak808]

So your saying 1 month veg I should be getting 3-6 oz a plant under the 1000watt?

30 day veg, 3 gallon pot by week 3,1000 watts, good genetics should give you a min of 3 zips especially synthetic and that is on the low side. I pull 7+ zips with 30-37 day veg 1kw and thats with recycled living soil and lots of fresh air on the room floor, if i do 60 day veg my yield will get near a pound if not over per plant.
Think about what you are getting in return for what you have spent, its not right. Your plants have good light coverage?

 

[superloud]

30 day veg, 3 gallon pot by week 3,1000 watts, good genetics should give you a min of 3 zips especially synthetic and that is on the low side. I pull 7+ zips with 30-37 day veg 1kw and thats with recycled living soil and lots of fresh air on the room floor, if i do 60 day veg my yield will get near a pound if not over per plant.
Think about what you are getting in return for what you have spent, its not right. Your plants have good light coverage?

I'm way into the profit margin now. My fist harvest covered all my cost with some left over. I was happy with my results until I scene what other people get. I must do something wrong. Maybe I stress them to much with letting them dry out befor I water. My nutrients are on the cheaper side of the spectrum as well. I have them in a full room, so I mite need a tent so they get a better air exchange. My extraction goes out threw the attac and pulls fresh air under the door. There is a pretty strong draft under there.

 

[superloud]

you can get a high yield with little to no veg time with higher plant numbers.

but then you start having issues with plant counts.

 

[SPLFreak808]

I'm way into the profit margin now. My fist harvest covered all my cost with some left over. I was happy with my results until I scene what other people get. I must do something wrong. Maybe I stress them to much with letting them dry out befor I water. My nutrients are on the cheaper side of the spectrum as well. I have them in a full room, so I mite need a tent so they get a better air exchange. My extraction goes out threw the attac and pulls fresh air under the door. There is a pretty strong draft under there.

Its hard to picture your ventilation but usually, a small door crack does not work very well especially if you have carpet on one or both sides. Since you have a strong "swooshing" that is just indicating your room is tightly sealed. Imo, i do not like to have drought stressed plants in flower. A little wilt is ok but continuously letting the stems and branches sag before watering is a no no and hurts my plants more then it helps them. In veg they can take it and will perk up pretty quickly.

 

[superloud]

Its hard to picture your ventilation but usually, a small door crack does not work very well especially if you have carpet on one or both sides. Since you have a strong "swooshing" that is just indicating your room is tightly sealed. Imo, i do not like to have drought stressed plants in flower. A little wilt is ok but continuously letting the stems and branches sag before watering is a no no and hurts my plants more then it helps them. In veg they can take it and will perk up pretty quickly.

I have hard wood On one side and a one inch drop to tile on the other side. I'll start watering more and look into getting a flowering tent. I have one for my veg.

 

[SPLFreak808]

I have hard wood On one side and a one inch drop to tile on the other side. I'll start watering more and look into getting a flowering tent. I have one for my veg.

Yup. Also is that your plants as your avatar? Do you let the runoff sit in the tray after you water?

 

[superloud]

Those are from my first grow. And I actually water from the bottom and top. I dump half in the bottom and let it soak up then the rest in the top usually never any water in the tray for more than an hr

 

[superloud]

Yup. Also is that your plants as your avatar? Do you let the runoff sit in the tray after you water?

I will probably start a jurnal tomorrow with more precise info on my set up along with pics. My flower area is cluttered right now do to me having to clear out my clone tent and not wanting to throw them away

 

[SPLFreak808]

Those are from my first grow. And I actually water from the bottom and top. I dump half in the bottom and let it soak up then the rest in the top usually never any water in the tray for more than an hr

If your feeding with synthetics, just water from the top and dump the run-off. Do you get lock-outs doing it bottom to top?

 

[superloud]

If your feeding with synthetics, just water from the top and dump the run-off. Do you get lock-outs doing it bottom to top?

I don't think so but not realy sure I mite have had lock out. I also feed evrytime because my mentor told me too. But now I know his yields are way off of Wat they should be. I'm cleaning my slate of his knowledge and starting new

 

[SPLFreak808]

I don't think so but not realy sure I mite have had lock out. I also feed evrytime because my mentor told me too. But now I know his yields are way off of Wat they should be. I'm cleaning my slate of his knowledge and starting new

Holy shit lol there is no way in hell those plants stay green till harvest. Feed/water/water/feed/water/water is a great start. If you feed lightly you can feed/water/feed/water but i would always let the run-off escape unless you have quick draining organic soil and feed. otherwise dont let it sit. If you feed synthetics every water and never let the runoff drain out somewhere your roots will eventually end up sitting in extremely acidic soil. We all know what happens when the pH gets too low right? If this happens early in flower, your yield is FUCKED! if it happens in flower period, yield will suffer

 

[superloud]

Holy shit lol there is no way in hell those plants stay green till harvest. Feed/water/water/feed/water/water is a great start. If you feed lightly you can feed/water/feed/water but i would always let the run-off escape unless you have quick draining organic soil and feed. otherwise dont let it sit. If you feed synthetics every water and never let the runoff drain out somewhere your roots will eventually end up sitting in extremely acidic soil. We all know what happens when the pH gets too low right? If this happens early in flower, your yield is FUCKED! if it happens in flower period, yield will suffer

Well I have until Jan 9th to harvest my plants I have going now. Would you suggest a flush?

 

[SPLFreak808]

Well I have until Jan 9th to harvest my plants I have going now. Would you suggest a flush?

No, Not unless they are on the virge of dying. Knowing your exact soil and nutrients would help me give you a better idea. Try water from the top. Dump the run off and dont even let the runoff puddle touch the bottom of the pot for even a second. Water again the second time and feed the third time. Repeat and if they start getting underfed, you increase the dosage slightly or switch to water/feed/water/feed untill happy. A quick pic of what the plant looks like now would help.

 

[superloud]

No, Not unless they are on the virge of dying. Knowing your exact soil and nutrients would help me give you a better idea. Try water from the top. Dump the run off and dont even let the runoff puddle touch the bottom of the pot for even a second. Water again the second time and feed the third time. Repeat and if they start getting underfed, you increase the dosage slightly or switch to water/feed/water/feed untill happy. A quick pic of what the plant looks like now would help.

I don't have any pics right now