Why No Clay? Manure? Sand? Forest Mould?!

[greasemonkeymann]

I have Not used the above recipe At all.! No sand, no clay, no hot compost, no.forest mould. Only pro mix mycho with LOTS of extras like oyster shell, alfalfa cubes which is just pressed hay a bunch of it, lime gypsum, rocks, rye grass, bagged ewc and cowmanure, humic fulvic acid, blood bone kelp meal, lots and lots! So the new soil receipt is Completely different than the last.

And I Am mixing the old hot soil With the new batch because the soil is not bad Just Hot and High.! With the current girls though I Just mixed 1.5:1 forest mould to hot soil. Until the new soil is ready and needed.

ahh, I gotcha.. Alfalfa and hay are different though, not that it matters much, but hay is almost empty in nutrients. The cubes are for animal feed, right?
You may want to seriously consider using some neem meal, and some crab meal or at least use some mosquito dunks in the soil, may have bugs in the future

 

[cannakis]

ahh, I gotcha.. Alfalfa and hay are different though, not that it matters much, but hay is almost empty in nutrients. The cubes are for animal feed, right?
You may want to seriously consider using some neem meal, and some crab meal or at least use some mosquito dunks in the soil, may have bugs in the future

cool! thanks for mentioning that... i will definitely look into the neem, or maybe the karanja...?! thanks for mentioning that.

 

[cannakis]

ahh, I gotcha.. Alfalfa and hay are different though, not that it matters much, but hay is almost empty in nutrients. The cubes are for animal feed, right?
You may want to seriously consider using some neem meal, and some crab meal or at least use some mosquito dunks in the soil, may have bugs in the future

nice! "Neem leaves are dried in India and placed in cupboards to prevent insects eating the clothes and also while storing rice in tins. [4] Neem leaves are dried and burnt in the tropical regions to keep away mosquitoes." I like it! Definitely have to get some! Maybe grow my own...!!! Next year that's what I'm doing... Growing soy, sorghum, comfrey, neem I guess now, and more all specifically for inside grows!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

cool! thanks for mentioning that... i will definitely look into the neem, or maybe the karanja...?! thanks for mentioning that.

I honestly wouldn't grow organically without crab and neem meal.. and I despise the smell of neem, smells like funky beef boullion cubes or something... uck

 

[greasemonkeymann]

nice! "Neem leaves are dried in India and placed in cupboards to prevent insects eating the clothes and also while storing rice in tins. [4] Neem leaves are dried and burnt in the tropical regions to keep away mosquitoes." I like it! Definitely have to get some! Maybe grow my own...!!! Next year that's what I'm doing... Growing soy, sorghum, comfrey, neem I guess now, and more all specifically for inside grows!

comfrey plants are cool, they grow well in soil meant for cannabis. I'd also suggest a good aloe plant or two.
I think neem is a tree though, isn't it?
If you are into growing plants for plants, i'd also recommend getting stinging nettles, and some dandelion, horsetail, etc
just checked, neem is indeed a tree.
you can buy seedlings online, apparently sprouting neem seeds is really difficult

 

[cannakis]

comfrey plants are cool, they grow well in soil meant for cannabis. I'd also suggest a good aloe plant or two.
I think neem is a tree though, isn't it?
If you are into growing plants for plants, i'd also recommend getting stinging nettles, and some dandelion, horsetail, etc
just checked, neem is indeed a tree.
you can buy seedlings online, apparently sprouting neem seeds is really difficult

Awesome thanks so much!

 

[cannakis]

nice! "Neem leaves are dried in India and placed in cupboards to prevent insects eating the clothes and also while storing rice in tins. [4] Neem leaves are dried and burnt in the tropical regions to keep away mosquitoes." I like it! Definitely have to get some! Maybe grow my own...!!! Next year that's what I'm doing... Growing soy, sorghum, comfrey, neem I guess now, and more all specifically for inside grows!

Haha!!! I completely forgot about this! This was some great information! Burning neem to keep mosquitos away brilliant! I love learning what cultures have done for thousands of years!

ahh, I gotcha.. Alfalfa and hay are different though, not that it matters much, but hay is almost empty in nutrients. The cubes are for animal feed, right?
You may want to seriously consider using some neem meal, and some crab meal or at least use some mosquito dunks in the soil, may have bugs in the future

you know I do have these tiny little black bugs that crawl around the ground and when you move the soil... And SOMETIMES there's some In the buds you have to shake it and some fall out... They don't seem to be eating it... Good or bad bugs?!?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Haha!!! I completely forgot about this! This was some great information! Burning neem to keep mosquitos away brilliant! I love learning what cultures have done for thousands of years!

you know I do have these tiny little black bugs that crawl around the ground and when you move the soil... And SOMETIMES there's some In the buds you have to shake it and some fall out... They don't seem to be eating it... Good or bad bugs?!?

never seen that before man.. in my experience whatever is on the buds is eating the buds...
typically insects are lazy creatures and hang out on top of their food, whilst happily shitting away...

 

[ShLUbY]

yeah dude i was just going to say (someone beat me to it already), stop buying promix. a 3.8cuft compressed bale of good peat is like 8-12$. a GIANT bag of growstone (essentially pumice made from recycled glass) is ~25$. combine the two in equal portions and you get way more bang for your buck. vermiculite is good. i like pumice because it has good CEC. i think vermiculite has better CEC than pumice even. here's a cool link i found to drainage materials/mineral components....

http://www.colinlewisbonsai.com/Reading/soils2.html

 

[greasemonkeymann]

yeah dude i was just going to say (someone beat me to it already), stop buying promix. a 3.8cuft compressed bail of good peat is like 8-12$. a GIANT bag of growstone (essentially pumice made from recycled glass) is ~25$. combine the two in equal portions and you get way more bang for your buck. vermiculite is good. i like pumice because it has good CEC. i think vermiculite has better CEC than pumice even. here's a cool link i found to drainage materials/mineral components....

http://www.colinlewisbonsai.com/Reading/soils2.html

cool link man.
never heard of some of those..
me likey that akadama stuff, cool shit.

 

[cannakis]

never seen that before man.. in my experience whatever is on the buds is eating the buds...
typically insects are lazy creatures and hang out on top of their food, whilst happily shitting away...

Yeah... Now granted it was SHITTY Genetics KC Brains stuff I had bred... No offense KC but I mean damn those genetics were horrible! Like Common hemp instead of India Hemp.! Actually just threw out ALL those beans I was like these honestly don't deserve to be on the planet and THAT WAS HARD for me to do...! But the buds took 9-11 weeks to finish and they were always real shitty and that's the Only ones I saw them on... And I started spraying with Braggs ACV, Bronners Peppermint Hemp soap, Aloe Vera powder, and Rich Earth humate... Haven't seen the buggers on the buds just on ground now...

yeah dude i was just going to say (someone beat me to it already), stop buying promix. a 3.8cuft compressed bale of good peat is like 8-12$. a GIANT bag of growstone (essentially pumice made from recycled glass) is ~25$. combine the two in equal portions and you get way more bang for your buck. vermiculite is good. i like pumice because it has good CEC. i think vermiculite has better CEC than pumice even. here's a cool link i found to drainage materials/mineral components....

http://www.colinlewisbonsai.com/Reading/soils2.html

awesome thanks brother!

CEC? And I know but I Do still buy for now pro mix for my seedlings just so I know there's NO unknown variables that will kill my expensive beans...! But yeah I hate the promix in my soil... Haha honestly I hate the pearlite in there too! I just want sand and good mineral rocks and oyster shells for my drainage... Maybe rice hulls if I could find a Miller around here

 

[ShLUbY]

Yeah... Now granted it was SHITTY Genetics KC Brains stuff I had bred... No offense KC but I mean damn those genetics were horrible! Like Common hemp instead of India Hemp.! Actually just threw out ALL those beans I was like these honestly don't deserve to be on the planet and THAT WAS HARD for me to do...! But the buds took 9-11 weeks to finish and they were always real shitty and that's the Only ones I saw them on... And I started spraying with Braggs ACV, Bronners Peppermint Hemp soap, Aloe Vera powder, and Rich Earth humate... Haven't seen the buggers on the buds just on ground now...

awesome thanks brother!

CEC? And I know but I Do still buy for now pro mix for my seedlings just so I know there's NO unknown variables that will kill my expensive beans...! But yeah I hate the promix in my soil... Haha honestly I hate the pearlite in there too! I just want sand and good mineral rocks and oyster shells for my drainage... Maybe rice hulls if I could find a Miller around here

rice hulls are bomb. just did a few mixes with them, really liking them so far. you don't "hate" the promix because then you hate peat. peat is your friend. yes there are better options than perlite, and they are relatively inexpensive. all you need to do to know the variables in soil is READ LABELS.

CEC = cation exchange capacity. the soils (or in this case the drainage material which has a - surface charge) ability to form ionic bonds with cations (+ charged molecules like N, Mg, K, and so on) to hold on to nutrients without them leaching away. of course with a living organic soil INDOORS there's no need to water to the point of runoff so leaching is MUCH less of a problem. But what is really going on is that the plant is swapping out H+ ions from the roots, for those other cation molecules that the drainage material is holding with an ionic bond (the weakest bond there is). so they are easy bonds to break. plants get what they need when they need it from the soil. this is why a properly amended soil grows a plant the best... there's no guess work if your recipe is spot on. plant literally GROWS ITSELF.

EDIT: i forgot to mention in outdoor soils that are well aged and developed, clay is the main component responsible for CEC. but too much clay is a problem. clay particles are sheet silicates that are very flat, and layer on top of one another and have sooooooooo much surface area that they just hold water like crazy because of adhesion to the surface of the clay minerals. but the right amount of clay... is your friend indeed!

if you really want to step up your game, and you're in college, and you have the ability to take any botany, chemistry (gotta go 2 semesters on this subject to really get the basics, my school offered a class that did 2 semesters in 1), geology, or soil management classes.... do so. you will thank me for it later. i learned SO MUCH man. as soon as i learned a lot of the important fundamentals of minerals, plant tissues/organs/fruits, chemistry, and soil... my grows have just gotten better and better. Even when i was feeding from bottles, before i even got the gumption to switch to organic soils, and no-till cannabis.

 

[Mountain Bud]

what I like to do is remove most of the visible worms, all the big ones, and purposely leave the worm eggs they'll hatch and help aerate your soil, if you are using a no-till it's a good way to start, i'd also suggest some biochar to start also, I kinda wish I did that, now i'd have to rip up all my nice pots and mix it up with the biochar, but I the more I read on biochar, the more I wish I started there. it is a lil pricey, but once you get your soil dialed in, it's simple from there, not to mention REALLY cheap, especially if you have your own EWC, for me i'm just getting into using comfrey and dandelion in place of nutrient teas, going to see if this harvest has any different nuances than normal. Plus, dandelion is free, and my comfrey plant cost me 5.99, and it grows well in the soil I have. I can't say how well it works because I am just starting the process, in approx. 3 months i'll have a good write up on it.

Bio char can be very cheap to make over a campfire, it's fun and uses small sticks, etc., then, charge your bio char with nitrogen (soak it in fertilizer) and there you go. We made it last year, fun and easy.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Bio char can be very cheap to make over a campfire, it's fun and uses small sticks, etc., then, charge your bio char with nitrogen (soak it in fertilizer) and there you go. We made it last year, fun and easy.

yea, that's an old post, been using biochar for many runs now

 

[Darth Vapour]

Shullby Problem with rice hauls is they decompose to quickly
I always keep the concept as anything i add to my soils is readily available and comes from my geological area biochar is really simple actually not only do i use hard woods but i also use news print i tend to make it burn half of it then place in soil ..
Basically wood pulp with soya based inks is a welcome addition to any garden

 

[ShLUbY]

Shullby Problem with rice hauls is they decompose to quickly
I always keep the concept as anything i add to my soils is readily available and comes from my geological area biochar is really simple actually not only do i use hard woods but i also use news print i tend to make it burn half of it then place in soil ..
Basically wood pulp with soya based inks is a welcome addition to any garden
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yes Darth, but you are assuming that i only used rice hulls, which i did not. 20% of the total soil mix is pumice. if the rice hulls break down GREAT; more humus in the soil, as well as the very little nutrients they still hold, right? I'll just replace it in the mix down the road with more hulls, or some vermiculite (which is sounding really killer the more i read about it), or some lava rock, whatever i want. there is NO problem with the hulls.

and can you please STOP with the exact same pictures in every post, please. we've seen them, we know.

 

[DonPetro]

These are All apart of natural soil, why do we not use them?

Because honestly I have to Make Way more soil than I thought, and I don't have Any base and I don't feel like spending $65 on promix, especially when I Just bought another promix for $21 today...

So I was thinking I would buy a Big 40# bag Pearlite, mix that with Horse Manure which I can get a Multitude for free, and it is mainly bedding and saw chips and dust, and when composted looks and smells Amazing like peat moss almost in look and texture, not thick dense like straight cow manure.

Also some cow manure In Place of Earthworm Castings! I know this is blasphey to most, but pure cow dung has equal npk, and is a Tenth of the cost of ewc for me.

And then adding some nicewhite deep earth clay, and maybe a little sand and forest mould...

What do you think? And also adding all the amendments, like kelp, rock, fulvic etc...

Holy shit i cant believe its been a year since you started this thread!

 

[ShLUbY]

Holy shit i cant believe its been a year since you started this thread!

lol i hadn't even noticed that....

 

[cannakis]

Okay so I just amended my soul and put like Per Cubic Foot:
4cups of Kelp, Dry Molassss, Cottonseed Meal, Rich Earth Humate
1.5cups Greensand, Sulfur,
2cups Blood meal, Charcoal ash, Sand, Clay, Forest Mould, Manure
1cup Bone, Crab meal, Lime, Gypsum, Humic, Fulvic acid

I Definitely put too much Kelp...!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Okay so I just amended my soul and put like Per Cubic Foot:
4cups of Kelp, Dry Molassss, Cottonseed Meal, Rich Earth Humate
1.5cups Greensand, Sulfur,
2cups Blood meal, Charcoal ash, Sand, Clay, Forest Mould, Manure
1cup Bone, Crab meal, Lime, Gypsum, Humic, Fulvic acid

I Definitely put too much Kelp...!