Why do some guys wats to still use mono led with cobs?

Add mono's to cobs?

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heckler73

heckler73

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FranJan said:
Well now that I'm done hanging with the cool kids at school, (Wowzas it's PINWORM! :p), what if I told you I haz had an epiphany at about 4:00 this AM because of something Phaeton at ICMag said and I've had a change of heart and all I got to say is that if you don't know exactly what that specific spectrum does, there is no point of adding it to your grow and to go further, there is no point to growing with monos really then, McCree curve and all also. If you really don't understand the process you're trying to stimulate you're just photon-chucking, like I've been. So I'd like to change my vote to "Whites Only" and I'll take my crow boiled with a side of collard greens with bacon :P.
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What did "Phaeton" say? Send me a link, if you have one and don't mind sharing.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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mc130p said:
The problem ultimately stems from the fact that we don't understand cells at a molecular level...and then we know even less about plants.... you know, we can't even fold a protein given its amino acid sequence.
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That may be true, but we can tear them apart. :mrgreen:

 
mc130p

mc130p

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heckler73 said:
That may be true, but we can tear them apart. :mrgreen:

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hahah, yes...hot, cold, urea, guanidinium......many ways to unfold a protein.....the single molecule experiments are great, and will really deepen our understanding of protein folding and stability... I always wonder if the states sampled in the pulling experiments are biologically relevant...but that's an entirely different convo!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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heckler73 said:
I like that note on page 5, near the bottom.
INDOOR HYDROPONICS ... DROPPED AS AN OUTLIER
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Do you think it didn't produce? o_O
I guess when providing information for legislative issues, it may be better to give them what they need but not necessarily everything that's available.
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What data do you think got omitted?
 
littlejacob

littlejacob

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Bonjour
Thanks guys!
We live in a crazy world...
What do you think of the plants...I will post more pics when the first hair will appear...
Have a great day ★
 
littlejacob

littlejacob

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And I didn't like the posts because I cannot do anything on the previous page...I can see it but the page never charge to the end and I have to go back every time...strange!
Have a great day ★
 
cdgmoney250

cdgmoney250

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Greengenes707 said:
http://liq.wa.gov/publications/Marijuana/BOTEC reports/5a_Cannabis_Yields-Final.pdf
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I'm not sure this is a scientific study to measure "artificial vs natural" yields. I think this is a study used to put constraints and verbiage into Washington Law about cultivation sizes and capacities.

Not only that, but there were far more "indoor" test subjects than outdoor which will skew the results. There was also the preconceived notion that indoors could produce more harvest's per year, which was averaged into the figures in favor of indoor grams/ sq ft.
If we are growing outside "no roof" in northern states.. I could see that.
If we are growing in a greenhouse in CA, CO or AZ... Then I'm calling bullshit. Depending where you are, there are typically over 300 days of sunshine in these places. Lots of joules/photons everyday.

If "like" conditions, I really don't see how indoor could produce more than outdoor.
After all, the sun is giving the plants the maximum photons that they can absorb within every single nanometer wavelength (according to Mcree). How could we top that with our current technology??
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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You asked...and I supplied. Go bitch to the study about the short comings.

Yet to see anyone put forth any evidence showing the other side of this. Ball is in your guys court now.

In addition to literature, I have actually grown large scale both indoor and out...in the Mecca of outdoor growing, and indoor too for that matter. And indoor is better in every aspect, yield and quality, than outdoor. 23% outdoor is great...but 28+% indoor is better. Better in opinion based categories in addition to the potency as well...flavor, taste, high, looks.
Outdoor light is the major cause...not environment. I have been in high high end greenhouses, CO2 supplemented(crazy), and unfortunately was no different than a standard greenhouse setups results...second shelf to indoor at best.

Max is not ideal...it is maximum. The sun is causes almost as much protective responses as pure growth responses. Run your car conctantly at 10rpm under redline...not ideal. McCree only is showing relative efficiency and not absolute...so I don't know what you think you're getting from McCree in the case.
The sun is a classic muscle car. It can break it tires loose anywhere at any anytime, and has more photon power behind it than anything(basically)...but no one is mentioning the gallons and gallons of gas(energy) it takes to create that power(actually @EfficientWatt did) . 0-60 in 3 seconds is awesom to ride in...but will cost the driver 3 gallon every time he wants to do it. As where a highly tuned Japanese sport car doesn't need massive cylinders and excessive fuel to create the same power and speed. Only putting energy where the energy is needed.

Do you have any idea of how many sqft a 8lb tree takes up?
 
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Positivity

Positivity

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I can only comment on what I have used. A hortilux 600 hps, flourescent, cheaper hps with redder tint, and various led styles. I would love to try a DE gavita, a philips CMH, plasma, and even induction.

Personally the difference I see between well grown outdoor and well grown indoor doesn't even require a test to prove. While both high quality I and others that I've had this conversation with agree unanimously. As if you did a pepsi challenge and went based solely on our senses. A test can show me higher numbers in THC, compounds , oils, whatever it is they test for. But that doesn't override what can be seen and felt.

It is highly controversial and everyone has a right to their beliefs. I respect all who take the time to even talk about it. I am also very open to being wrong about this and I'll keep reading, researching, and working actively as a hobby in this area.

It is whats behind DIY LED Grow really. Bringing the outdoors in. I myself am not convinced that indoor lighting has equalled or surpassed the natural environment. I don't think it needs to either. Things do not need to be perfectly rendered to feed people who are in need.

Science is a wonderful thing. I could myself have gone in that direction at one time. I was a agro ecology major at one point with a schedule full of science classes. My dream before I changed direction was to be a cross of a biologist and a agriculture major working outdoors being a steward for the land and sea.

:peace:
 
mc130p

mc130p

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I think outdoor suffers in quality solely due to the weather the plant experiences...there's no weather indoors. No harsh wind, bugs, rain, dew(hopefully)....ultimately, the best indoor setups mimic outdoor conditions but without those negatives. If we had perfect conditions outside 24/7 I don't believe that an indoor grow could surpass it in terms of quality or yield.

I'm not disagreeing that the outdoor buds are generally not as good as indoor, but I do think it's only due to the conditions the plant experiences....not because artificial lighting is better than the sun (the driver of all life on this planet)
 
Positivity

Positivity

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Just have to wait for full blown legalization if ever. I have a feeling the best herb will come from the best outdoor regions around the world.
I'm sure there will be equally impressive indoor stuff. But in general my experience now is outdoor is different. Same strain grown well comes out better outdoor, bugs, rain, and wind included. Sure you could have a better strain and have better weed in the end..maybe.

alright. In serious need of a forum break. So much sh@t to get done.

wish everyone here well...:peace:
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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I've been in sealed greenhouses with supplemental CO2. The environment is not as big a cause as you(or that grower) would think.

I have had nothing but the opposite from outdoor vs indoor by the same grower(mine, mark, Scott, Randy, and some more) all have indoor and outdoor setups. Indoor is superior every time. Both in opinion and data based. Marks is at 3000ft and pumping UV too.
Then there is non controlled experiences(general outdoor vs indoor, not grower isolated) that aren't Ben close. At least with the same grower you know the caliber to expect.

I've been to a few states events, cups, dispensaries, and just general people. As a whole...indoor has always showed me the best buds(visually and cerebrally).
So on top of the data that supports equal yield per area and higher potential potency... my personal experiences/opinions are in favor of indoor grown.


P.S.
I expected POS to be all about the outdoor...island life.
 
littlejacob

littlejacob

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Bonjour
The only advantage I see in outdoor is:
1-it's cheaper
2-it's convenient for those who can't grow indoor in summer
3-it need less care
4-it's not in your house...
5-it's easier to smoke outdoors weeds pure (for US smokers! )
I tried the same plant in and out...indoor make stronger weed...I have almost the same taste in and out...sweetest outdoor!
Have a great day ★
 
HockeyBeard

HockeyBeard

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littlejacob said:
Bonjour
The only advantage I see in outdoor is:
1-it's cheaper
2-it's convenient for those who can't grow indoor in summer
3-it need less care
4-it's not in your house...
5-it's easier to smoke outdoors weeds pure (for US smokers! )
I tried the same plant in and out...indoor make stronger weed...I have almost the same taste in and out...sweetest outdoor!
Have a great day ★
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YIELD YIELD YIELD YIELD YIELD YIELD!!!!
 
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