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bravedave said:
Oh and, you are wrong. What you see is a schematic that employs the scrunching of years to hide the lag between the temps going up FOLLOWED by the co2 going up.
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I've seen it both ways is all I was saying and believe both to be true. I don't know which side to pick on that one so I'm willing to let it play out and see who is right.

What you posted is true, I've seen the lab notes on the experiments. I've also seen experiments where increased CO2 increased temps.

No doubt there have been charts put out by both sides exaggerating each. It's all white noise though.

My cause is anti-pollution and anti-war. I win my cause and the religious sect of the sky is falling crowd wins too, they just won't be happy.
 
bravedave said:
Some answers here and charts toooo! Oh and your correct, tty, co2 levels are horrendous and have been for a couple decades...funny though, no appreciable warming in the last 15 years. How can that be?
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the last 15 years contain the hottest 14 on record, dumbass. we just got done with the ottest year ever, preceded by the second hottest.

are you dumb?

or do you think the precise correlation between CO2 and temperatur that has held true for the last 400,000+ years has suddenly ended?

LOL!
 
UncleBuck said:
the last 15 years contain the hottest 14 on record, dumbass. we just got done with the ottest year ever, preceded by the second hottest.

are you dumb?

or do you think the precise correlation between CO2 and temperatur that has held true for the last 400,000+ years has suddenly ended?

LOL!
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How much has the average world temp gone up in those 15 hot years?
How much did Al Gore predict?
Can you explain the problem with the hockey stick study?
Can you explain for us the lag?

You have the correlation backwards brainiac, and yes it will continue.
 
bravedave said:
How much has the average world temp gone up in those 15 hot years?
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enough so that they have been the hottest 15 years on record.

did you know it took us 5,000+ years to cool down by the same amount that the temperature has gone up in the last 100 years?

probably all just coincidence though!






bravedave said:
Co2, however, is not the problem and you literally have to ignore historical proof to believe it is.
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bravedave said:
co2 levels are horrendous and have been for a couple decades...funny though, no appreciable warming in the last 15 years. How can that be?
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here you imply there is no correlation.

bravedave said:
You have the correlation backwards brainiac, and yes it will continue.
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here you admit there is correlation.

are you fucking retarded?

bravedave said:
Al Gore
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what a heroic manner of debate you have. so brave to use al gore, who is not a scientist, as some sort of strawman.

maybe we should discuss what NASA has to say instead?

ever heard of NASA?
 
UncleBuck said:
enough so that they have been the hottest 15 years on record.

did you know it took us 5,000+ years to cool down by the same amount that the temperature has gone up in the last 100 years?

probably all just coincidence though!










here you imply there is no correlation.



here you admit there is correlation.

are you fucking retarded?



what a heroic manner of debate you have. so brave to use al gore, who is not a scientist, as some sort of strawman.

maybe we should discuss what NASA has to say instead?

ever heard of NASA?
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U funny. Ok then, what temp did Michael Mann predict. He's one of your scientists, right?
 
bravedave said:
U funny. Ok then, what temp did Michael Mann predict. He's one of your scientists, right?
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our scientists do a better job than pragerU (lol) does.

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why do you think NASA believes in global warming? is it a conspiracy, david? a hoax?
 
UncleBuck said:
enough so that they have been the hottest 15 years on record.

did you know it took us 5,000+ years to cool down by the same amount that the temperature has gone up in the last 100 years?

probably all just coincidence though!










here you imply there is no correlation.



here you admit there is correlation.

are you fucking retarded?



what a heroic manner of debate you have. so brave to use al gore, who is not a scientist, as some sort of strawman.

maybe we should discuss what NASA has to say instead?

ever heard of NASA?
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Oh come on, you've seen this before- he's just trying to get some mental exercise with 'correlation gymnastics'. He saw it on teevee so it HAS to be true.
 
It's not just CO, it's deforestation, millions of miles of black asphalt roads and parking lots acting as a heat sink/magnet, millions of little gas powered heat emitters, and not to mention open flames that have been burning for 24/7 for over 50 years in NW ND........And all other oil fields around the world. north-dakota-2013.jpg

Even a Heroin addict will admit he has a problem as he's robbing you.
 
ttystikk said:
Welllllll, let's see...
You don't listen to reason. Check.
Scientific evidence means nothing to you. Check.
Historical data means nothing, either. Check.
You've come to a convenient conclusion and you refuse to hear any contradictory arguments. Check.

Yep. Looks like you got nothing.
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You have refused to reply to my request for your "reason". You just ignore mine while denigrating it without bothering to watch the videos. I easily poked holes in your historical data while, again, you seem reluctant to address that which I provided. Historical data actually shows the folly of the co2 argument. Maybe describe for me why if the temp goes up and years later the co2 follows suit...how can the co2 rise be the cause of the temp rise? Logic is certainly ignored with this scenario.
Concerning not listening to contradictory arguments..that is certainly lefty projection as YOU continue to ignore the arguments that started this.
 
@bravedave If you need something entertaining, and a video from an actual university and not a website that masquerades as an educational institution is not entertaining to you, here's a TEDx talk from David Puttnam, Baron Puttnam,
"Don't worry about the planet. The planet is fine. We are the problem."
 
bravedave said:
You have refused to reply to my request for your "reason". You just ignore mine while denigrating it without bothering to watch the videos. I easily poked holes in your historical data while, again, you seem reluctant to address that which I provided. Historical data actually shows the folly of the co2 argument. Maybe describe for me why if the temp goes up and years later the co2 follows suit...how can the co2 rise be the cause of the temp rise? Logic is certainly ignored with this scenario.
Concerning not listening to contradictory arguments..that is certainly lefty projection as YOU continue to ignore the arguments that started this.
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And you're shifting the burden of proof which is an informal logical fallacy. We can cite papers all day long, but you'll still say "That doesn't prove anything until you prove me wrong," which has to be one of the epitomes of an idiotic argument.

Historical data actually shows the folly of the co2 argument? No, it really doesn't.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html

The highest pre-industrial value recorded in 800,000 years of ice-core record was 298.6 ppmv, in the Vostok core, around 330,000 years ago. Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased markedly in industrial times; measurements in year 2010 at Cape Grim Tasmania and the South Pole both indicated values of 386 ppmv, and are currently increasing at about 2 ppmv/year.

Moreover is CO2 the only driver of climate change? No, it isn't.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=77

" "the geologic record contains a treasure trove of 'alternative Earths' that allow scientists to study how the various components of the Earth system respond to a range of climatic forcings." Past periods of higher CO2 do not contradict the notion that CO2 warms global temperatures. On the contrary, they confirm the close coupling between CO2 and climate."




And here's a video from Thomas Stocker who's a climate scientist from Switzerland. He's also going to be the next chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
 
pnwmystery said:
@bravedave If you need something entertaining, and a video from an actual university and not a website that masquerades as an educational institution is not entertaining to you, here's a TEDx talk from David Puttnam, Baron Puttnam,
"Don't worry about the planet. The planet is fine. We are the problem."
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That sounds exactly like a line from one of my all time favorite comedians and social commentators, George Carlin. May he rest in pieces, just like he always wanted.
 
ttystikk said:
That sounds exactly like a line from one of my all time favorite comedians and social commentators, George Carlin. May he rest in pieces, just like he always wanted.
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It's unfortunate that George had to get so bitter in his later years.

He used to be funny. : (
 
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