Advanced Nutrients - Organic Soil, Input?

[normlpothead]

Hey everyone, first off I'd consider myself a experienced grower, but comparing growing technique is always helpful, so I'll describe my technique and comments are welcome.
Growing Medium:
-5 gal buckets (holes drilled on bottom and sides.)
-45% Becuzz Hydromix Spagnum moss/ perlite
-45% Hydrofarm chunky perlite
-10% Earthworm castings
Advanced Nutrient list:
Pirhana
Tarantula
Scorpion
Voodoo
Emerald Shaman
Bud Blood
Big Bud
Overdrive
3part Micro
Barricade
Carbo Load
Cal Mag
Humic Acid
Fulvic Acid
SensiZym
Iguana
Mother Earth
Sweet Leaf
Final Phase

-I follow the Gotta Grow organic chart tweaked a bit with the 2+ chart.

Including the Bud Blood once on first bloom feeding, Big Bud in early flowering, and overdrive in the final stages.

I start my water with the barricade and carbo load, then up the ppms by 100 with 3part micro, then the rest of the fertilizers.

I grow my plants about one meter tall in veg, trimming out inside branches, and fanleaves to promote growth to the ends of the branches, then induce flowering.

My watering schedule is 1/3 gal to 5gal pots every 3days, and 1/2 gal light feeding (400ppm) on the 3rd feeding of each week, 3 waterings a week.

- I peak my feeding at 900ppms on the 3rd and 4th week, and flush with plain water and sweet leaf 1/2 gal every 3 days, 3 waterings.

- since it's an organic soil environment i believe if the moisture is kept not to wet but like a ringed out sponge, nutrient uptake with be at it's best, and the soil will be alive, with the proper moisture.

-Since I'm adding guano and fish emulsion (Iguana) it has to break down in order to be eaten by the plant, this is done by the sensizym, and humic and fulvic acids help the plant digest the food.

I used to peak around 1200 ppm, and found my plants wouldn't finish properly, and continued to build new calyxes towards the final stages of flowering, when i cut back the nutes, my plants grow incredibly large, and finished like they would outdoors, leaves turned as if it were fall outside, and they finished beautifully, needless to say, i haven't changed my feeding program or style since.

I was told by a wise grower that adding more guano or fish takes time to decompose and your plant to eat it, and it ypu are constantly adding more poop the actual ppms of the soil will constantly grow. If you overwater, the poop can't decompose, and will build up to a toxic level, air is the key to decompositoin, and if the soil is too wet, it will také a long time to break down.

I use a pretty light soil mix, i'd compare it to the light warrior from fox farm, so it doesn't need much water to get everything saturated. I have an album of a harvest in my profile, and i plan to add more from other harvests when i get the time.

Thanks for your input, peace.

 

[normlpothead]

Forgot to mention, 600W HPS vented hoods digital ballasts, co2 enrichment (tank with fuzzylogic), 4 lights, 12 x 12 room, 9 plants per light.

 

[normlpothead]

Any suggestions?

 

[normlpothead]

I'll bump it up one last time, doesn't anybody use similar methods?

 

[Dankwise]

I run about 50% soilless coco mix inriched with all kinds of shit, 20% happy frog soil, and thirty percent perlite.

The nutrients i use are botanicares pure blend pro organic veg and bloom. The supplements i use are General hydroponics fluorolicious plus and floranecter. The flurolicious plus is a kelp extract with all kinds of beneficial bacteria etc... The flora-necter is malt extracts, molasseses, and cane sugar along with a good source of magnesium.

The botanicare additives i use are cal-mag and silica blast, the silica blast boosts up the cellular walls of the plant making it survive harshing conditions and increases dramatically..

Thanks for the good post

 

[normlpothead]

One of my associates tried to get me to add a mix of coco coir and little bits of rockwool to my mix, I've grown in just coco and perlite, but my results were not that good so I gave up on it, and I hate rockwool.

With coco I heard you need to up the Calcium and Magnesium, and rinse it well before use.

Advanced Nutrients released Monkey Juice specifically for use with coco a couple years ago, I was thinking about trying it out on a few plants...thanks for a reply.

 

[normlpothead]

Funny how when I have a serious post, I get no replies and a bunch of views...

When I signed on and acted like I grew under maglights in a cardboard box, I had 100+ replies in an hour...

Tells me that there's an awful lot of people making fun at other people instead of exchanging growing tips...

 

[mane2008]

pple dont wanna see shit thats already together. N u got it together.
I dont have everything together right now n still dont get posts in mines.

I dont do soiless mix but u make me wanna try it.
I do use AN like u do tho in hydro n soil.
I use a 600w wit dig ballast n 250w/400w
I do use 5gal buckets but for DWC.
U water every 3days? U neva had any prob with overwater?

 

[mane2008]

Can u make a recomm on where to get sum soiless mix?

 

[Londoner]

Hey everyone, first off I'd consider myself a experienced grower, but comparing growing technique is always helpful, so I'll describe my technique and comments are welcome.
Growing Medium:
-5 gal buckets (holes drilled on bottom and sides.)
-45% Becuzz Hydromix Spagnum moss/ perlite
-45% Hydrofarm chunky perlite
-10% Earthworm castings
Advanced Nutrient list:
Pirhana
Tarantula
Scorpion
Voodoo
Emerald Shaman
Bud Blood
Big Bud
Overdrive
3part Micro
Barricade
Carbo Load
Cal Mag
Humic Acid
Fulvic Acid
SensiZym
Iguana
Mother Earth
Sweet Leaf
Final Phase

-I follow the Gotta Grow organic chart tweaked a bit with the 2+ chart.

Including the Bud Blood once on first bloom feeding, Big Bud in early flowering, and overdrive in the final stages.

I start my water with the barricade and carbo load, then up the ppms by 100 with 3part micro, then the rest of the fertilizers.

I grow my plants about one meter tall in veg, trimming out inside branches, and fanleaves to promote growth to the ends of the branches, then induce flowering.

My watering schedule is 1/3 gal to 5gal pots every 3days, and 1/2 gal light feeding (400ppm) on the 3rd feeding of each week, 3 waterings a week.

- I peak my feeding at 900ppms on the 3rd and 4th week, and flush with plain water and sweet leaf 1/2 gal every 3 days, 3 waterings.

- since it's an organic soil environment i believe if the moisture is kept not to wet but like a ringed out sponge, nutrient uptake with be at it's best, and the soil will be alive, with the proper moisture.

-Since I'm adding guano and fish emulsion (Iguana) it has to break down in order to be eaten by the plant, this is done by the sensizym, and humic and fulvic acids help the plant digest the food.

I used to peak around 1200 ppm, and found my plants wouldn't finish properly, and continued to build new calyxes towards the final stages of flowering, when i cut back the nutes, my plants grow incredibly large, and finished like they would outdoors, leaves turned as if it were fall outside, and they finished beautifully, needless to say, i haven't changed my feeding program or style since.

I was told by a wise grower that adding more guano or fish takes time to decompose and your plant to eat it, and it ypu are constantly adding more poop the actual ppms of the soil will constantly grow. If you overwater, the poop can't decompose, and will build up to a toxic level, air is the key to decompositoin, and if the soil is too wet, it will také a long time to break down.

I use a pretty light soil mix, i'd compare it to the light warrior from fox farm, so it doesn't need much water to get everything saturated. I have an album of a harvest in my profile, and i plan to add more from other harvests when i get the time.

Thanks for your input, peace.

can you really say all those AN products are necessary? i mean how much did all that lot cost you? and as this is the organic forum i dont believe all those products are organic? i use three products, bio bizz grow, bloom and epsom salts and get exellent results! and theyre 100% certified organic by most international organic assosciations, occasionally use topmax and bio heaven but wont be buying more when iv run out i dont believe theyre needed.

 

[normlpothead]

I PMed mane, if anyone else want's to know the answers to his questions ask...

Londoner- way to take up space.

I've grown a couple plants using just a 3part non organic fertilizer, and with just the base AN iguana, and big bud...
To make sure I wasn't wasting my money... I'm not by bud comparison.

What's 600 dollars in nutes, like two ounces in weed.

The micro and calmag aren't organic, but I use ro water, so it's necessary, without it they're deficient.

 

[Londoner]

I PMed mane, if anyone else want's to know the answers to his questions ask...

Londoner- way to take up space.

I've grown a couple plants using just a 3part non organic fertilizer, and with just the base AN iguana, and big bud...
To make sure I wasn't wasting my money... I'm not by bud comparison.

What's 600 dollars in nutes, like two ounces in weed.

The micro and calmag aren't organic, but I use ro water, so it's necessary, without it they're deficient.

so you spend all that money, use that whole nute line up and your plants still get Ca and Mg deficient? whats $600 in nutes? unless you got barrels of the stuff thats crazy fella, you can get great results as good as with AN with only 2 or 3 bottles max at a fraction of that price! also must get a pain in the ass ordering or running down the growshop every time one of those procucts runs out.

 

[phatkix]

holy smokes you should be an AN sales rep haha. how long will that load of nutes last you for??

 

[Londoner]

im pretty sure more than just the cal/mag isnt organic in that AN line up?

 

[normlpothead]

so you spend all that money, use that whole nute line up and your plants still get Ca and Mg deficient? whats $600 in nutes? unless you got barrels of the stuff thats crazy fella, you can get great results as good as with AN with only 2 or 3 bottles max at a fraction of that price! also must get a pain in the ass ordering or running down the growshop every time one of those procucts runs out.

You asked if I thought all the products were necessary, and I'm feeding 72 plants in 5gal buckets, under 8 600W HPS, 600 bucks is only one plant...

And I know how much I'll need for the whole harvest, so it's only one trip to the grow store...

Then i said I tried using just a base nute and a supplement, and didn't get nearly the same results...

With ro water CalMg deficiencies are unescapable.

If you have any helpful info, it would be great.

 

[phillypete]

Funny how when I have a serious post, I get no replies and a bunch of views...

When I signed on and acted like I grew under maglights in a cardboard box, I had 100+ replies in an hour...

Tells me that there's an awful lot of people making fun at other people instead of exchanging growing tips...

Word....unfortunately all of the forums are like this anymore. Something for bored stoners/weed barons to do to pass the time.

 

[hooked.on.ponics]

Looks like a sweet grow man,

Keep us updated on how it goes!

 

[Londoner]

You asked if I thought all the products were necessary, and I'm feeding 72 plants in 5gal buckets, under 8 600W HPS, 600 bucks is only one plant...

And I know how much I'll need for the whole harvest, so it's only one trip to the grow store...

Then i said I tried using just a base nute and a supplement, and didn't get nearly the same results...

With ro water CalMg deficiencies are unescapable.

If you have any helpful info, it would be great.

fair enough........ il stick to my two bottles tho...

 

[Einstein]

THats my question what two organic bottles can you use during the whole life cycle veg and flower?I like two keep it simple cuz dam look at all those bottles...Cant you just use Bat Guano High N and High P.What two bottles are the best?

 

[Londoner]

THats my question what two organic bottles can you use during the whole life cycle veg and flower?I like two keep it simple cuz dam look at all those bottles...Cant you just use Bat Guano High N and High P.What two bottles are the best?

dunno where you are but in the uk bio bizz grow and bloom and bio-canna grow and bloom with bio-canna boost are the most used soil nutes, both brands are certified 100% organic. i use bio bizz grow and bloom only, occasionally use a bit of epsom salts as bio bizz nutes are a bit low in Mg, but epsom salts is only 99pence in any pharmacy here. both those brands are just as good as all them AN bottles.