Phosphorus Def!!

[ShLUbY]

thanks brotha! I do appreciate you taking all the time to write that out. def gonna look into that dechlorinator. but question, am I deficient in the sense there is no more food at all even if I had the micro herd I'm missing. or wouldn't my solution just be fixing the microbe population? that way they break down the food that is in my soil into a form that my roots can uptake.

or is the food all gone in my soil? when will i know the difference? between no microherd vs no food?

if there is no microherd, there is nothing to break down the food, you get it? the sources of food (what you put in the soil) hold on to it until they are chemically altered by the microherd. they are a "bank" of nutrients waiting to be withdrawn by the microbes for your plant to uptake.

if you're using city water, and not doing compost tea to introduce microbes, your herd is not in good shape i would bet.

as kodesh mentioned you can buy or get a free sample of something that has bacteria already in the bottle, and you mix and go. but why use something from a bottle when you can buy some unsulfured BSM and a bag of ancient forest, EWC, compost and make LOTS of tea. for very little cost. let the water bubble with the BSM for 24 hours before you put the EWC/compost in to brew, this will allow it to dechlorinate.

you need to remember that in organic living soil, you don't need to take care of the plant, you need to take care of the soil. the plant will grow itself.

good compost is a compost that is diverse in its composition (the things that were composted), and also has some amendments composted right into it. I know on buildasoil you can get oly mountain fish compost and that's some good shit from what i've read. BAS doesn't sell junk.

greasemonkey is right, you are overthinking this my man. we're here to help, and we're trying.

here is a link to a dechlorinating device
http://www.boogiebrew.net/water-filter/

i'm positive i read you can dechlorinate with some unsulfured black strap molasses which would be the cheapest option, and the molasses will help your microherd.

 

[bankcee]

no, I now get what I'm doing wrong. the chlorine in my water is killing off my microherd. and they're not there breaking down the food so the roots can uptake.

I have no microherd but all this food in the soil (I think).

then some people have a great micro herd with no food.

so if I had the microherd in tip top shape, when will my soil run out of food for them to break down? like when is a ss depleted of food.

I'm not over thinking.. now I'm just trying to learn.

 

[Flaming Pie]

no, I now get what I'm doing wrong. the chlorine in my water is killing off my microherd. and they're not there breaking down the food so the roots can uptake.

I have no microherd but all this food in the soil (I think).

then some people have a great micro herd with no food.

so if I had the microherd in tip top shape, when will my soil run out of food for them to break down? like when is a ss depleted of food.

I'm not over thinking.. now I'm just trying to learn.

You vegged 2 months in the same batch of soil correct? If so your food is depleted.

There have been studies that show that chlorine doesnt penetrate more than .5 inch down into the soil at the concentrations in tap water. (in most cities) Google your cities water analysis and see how many parts per million are in your tap water.

Many water providers add chlorine to drinking water to keep it clean for human consumption. Chlorine prevents bacterial growth in water distribution systems. Many residents use chlorinated water to irrigate their lawn and garden. If chlorine is added to drinking water to kill bacteria, what impact does it have on beneficial soil microorganisms? Does it kill beneficial organisms in compost piles, too? Researchers have found that chlorinated drinking water may kill a number of microorganisms in soil or a compost pile. However, their reproduction rate is so rapid that populations rebound in a short time. Under normal conditions, chlorinated water will not threaten microorganism populations. Microorganisms reproduce rapidly. In one study, researchers continuously applied highly chlorinated water to soil for 126 days. Two days after they stopped, the soil microorganism populations reached pre-treatment levels at all depths of soil.

One reason chlorinate water has little impact is that chlorine binds to soil particle surfaces. This immobilizes chlorine and reduces its ability to kill microorganisms. The organisms in the topmost surface of soil or a compost pile may be affected after irrigation but as the water moves downward little chlorine remains. In one study, researchers found that water chlorinated at 5 parts per million killed organisms only in the top half inch of soil. Organisms deeper than one half inch were thriving.

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/ptlk/1548.html

The amount of chlorine in drinking water is quite low. In order to kill soil microorganisms to 6 inch soil depth, water containing 65 parts per million of chlorine was required in one study. Drinking water usually contains much lower chlorine levels. For example, Colorado Springs Utilities water contains between 0.05 to 0.90 parts per million of chlorine, 70 times below the threshold level.

 

[bankcee]

You vegged 2 months in the same batch of soil correct? If so your food is depleted.

There have been studies that show that chlorine doesnt penetrate more than .5 inch down into the soil at the concentrations in tap water. (in most cities) Google your cities water analysis and see how many parts per million are in your tap water.

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/ptlk/1548.html

so is there any way to bas that will last me say, a 3 month veg and then a 2 flower?

also I will look up the ppms on my city's water and post back here. and see if we can determine it being good or bad.

 

[bankcee]

here's a link to my water company and the quality report.

I believe this is what you were talking about.. lol

http://www.gswater.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Water-Quality-2015-South-San-Gabriel.pdf

 

[green_machine_two9er]

so is there any way to bas that will last me say, a 3 month veg and then a 2 flower?

also I will look up the ppms on my city's water and post back here. and see if we can determine it being good or bad.

Many properly ammended soils will MORE avail nutrients as time goes on. Depends what your mix consist of as far as rae amenddmends breakdown times. I have been reusing my soil two full runs before any further re ammending is needed. And thr Secound run is always better

 

[bankcee]

Many properly ammended soils will MORE avail nutrients as time goes on. Depends what your mix consist of as far as rae amenddmends breakdown times. I have been reusing my soil two full runs before any further re ammending is needed. And thr Secound run is always better

yeah see this makes me sense to me. cause I think I was kinda heavy maybe maybe not though. but yeah I think my plants were showing defs. because my microherd wasn't there to do it's job.

 

[Flaming Pie]

yeah see this makes me sense to me. cause I think I was kinda heavy maybe maybe not though. but yeah I think my plants were showing defs. because my microherd wasn't there to do it's job.

You only have 2 parts per million chlorine in your water. 65 ppm kills bennies.

Your bennies are not dead. Your soil is depleted.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

yeah see this makes me sense to me. cause I think I was kinda heavy maybe maybe not though. but yeah I think my plants were showing defs. because my microherd wasn't there to do it's job.

Right. Hows your ladies.
? Been a minute since this thread started. Any improvement? Have you been trying out aact at all?

 

[green_machine_two9er]

no, I now get what I'm doing wrong. the chlorine in my water is killing off my microherd. and they're not there breaking down the food so the roots can uptake.

I have no microherd but all this food in the soil (I think).

then some people have a great micro herd with no food.

so if I had the microherd in tip top shape, when will my soil run out of food for them to break down? like when is a ss depleted of food.

I'm not over thinking.. now I'm just trying to learn.

What was your initial mix. Amendment wise? I see you questioning yourself when referenceing food amounts in your soil. Maybe you already posted this previously.

You only have 2 parts per million chlorine in your water. 65 ppm kills bennies.

Your bennies are not dead. Your soil is depleted.

I have to disagree that his soil is depleted. Having never used compost teas or other means to introduce micro herd. Not saying it may not be low on N. Maybe P. Those sources may still be in the soil. Just not made avail by microbes.

 

[bankcee]

base soil: ewc peat moss and perlite equal parts.

1 cup lime per cubic foot.

ammendment mix: 1 cup each of epsoma plant tone, alfalfa, crab, and neem, 2 cups of fish bone meal and 2 cups of kelp.

took 3 cups of this and added 3 cups per cf.

4 cups per cf of azomite.

and added an extra cup fish bone meal..

cooked for 6 weeks.

 

[bankcee]

What was your initial mix. Amendment wise? I see you questioning yourself when referenceing food amounts in your soil. Maybe you already posted this previously.


I have to disagree that his soil is depleted. Having never used compost teas or other means to introduce micro herd. Not saying it may not be low on N. Maybe P. Those sources may still be in the soil. Just not made avail by microbes.

^^^

 

[green_machine_two9er]

base soil: ewc peat moss and perlite equal parts.

1 cup lime per cubic foot.

ammendment mix: 1 cup each of epsoma plant tone, alfalfa, crab, and neem, 2 cups of fish bone meal and 2 cups of kelp.

took 3 cups of this and added 3 cups per cf.

4 cups per cf of azomite.

and added an extra cup fish bone meal..

cooked for 6 weeks.

Now i remember. Yes your mix should be in the oerfect range on nutrients. Although ratios are a bit off. Fbm seams a bit high after the extra cup added. And the azomite probable hasnt even started to break down yet. It takes along time!
For minerals i suggest 3-4 cups per cf with you azomite. Rock dust. Rock phosphate gypsum. Humic acid. You want a diversity of soirces. Each breaking down in its own time.

 

[bankcee]

so one says my soil should be fine and that my food is depleted. which is true? aaagghhhhhh!!!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

so is there any way to bas that will last me say, a 3 month veg and then a 2 flower?

also I will look up the ppms on my city's water and post back here. and see if we can determine it being good or bad.

please take additional photos, for what I see, I really don't see a need to worry at all, a lil damage like that on your leaves can be cause by a lot of things, and after looking at the shade of the green of the leaves I doubt you have deficiencies.
Outside the color of the leaves is much lighter due to the increased amount of light the plant receives.
From the looks of the damage I wouldn't sweat it.
If you have additional damage and/or if you are dropping sunleaves that aren't shaded THEN i'd worry.