11/13 flower cycle

[BobCajun]

What are people seeing with the extra darkness ???? possibly more stretch and little bigger plants ( Taller) as for yield what drives that ???? photosynthesis does now making carbs and sugars we must remember that giving plants fake artificial light is no where as close as the sun can provide ..there for giving them as much light is important really important we cannot use the well plants use approx 9 hrs of actual sun there fore we can do this in our grow room lol
Remember out door is like 140 watts per Sq foot of full spectrum most growers are lucky to have 40 watts so were behind the driving force of energy to begin with
Everyone has got to stop with there dabbing and becoming the next legend that came up with a idea ,, dont waste your fucking time on a grow doing stupid things stick with the basics experiment on training techniques not fucking lighting ,, You cheap mofo's
plants grow in both light and darkness more so in light and heal replenish and move molecules and what have you in darkness both stages are important ..in order for the plant to do its thing

And as for the post adding MH last couple week will increase THC ??? you got personal lab results ?? to prove it ??? and i mean your lab results if not then do not spew shit like that .
Seriously your plants/ strain will only produce as in THC as to what its capable of to say last couple weeks throwing MH on them might be the biggest mistake anyone can ever do
by sending different light waves could very well trigger the wrong hormones ,, and god forbid if you so happen to see nanners shortly after or a hermie from plant stress
You cannot just figure ok today she is getting reds tomorrow blues whats next day GREEN ???
these plants evolved as mother nature intended which means slow gradual decrease as Fall sets in so with that said you really never go below 11 hrs don't short your plants out with that nice fake sunlight you have

Well clear MH would have more UV spectrum than HPS so it might actually work, though I don't know how much effect UV actually has on THC levels.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Well clear MH would have more UV spectrum than HPS so it might actually work, though I don't know how much effect UV actually has on THC levels.

one thing is having both hps and mh going together but to think that just by adding mh in last couple of weeks is going to increase THC just not going to happen you can have the frostiest buds in the world does not mean its going to be high in THC
if you break it down Heat breaks down THC MH heat effciency compared to hps is bad..
I have run MH and can easily see 8 - 10 degree more in heat so one must think well i might be gaining in thc the heat on the other end is degrading it but this thread is not about mh last couple of weeks its about ..
light hrs
Can i ask how many watts you are running and how many sq feet ???
and is it optimum lighting wattage per sq foot imprint now that is the key to getting the best possible outcome and getting close to what any strain is capable of

 

[DesertGrow89]

running a 6 hour light cycle may not reduce yield for a lot of people that are allready pulling shitty yields so they don't realize it. but I know if I onlyi ran my lights 6 hours a day my yield would drop like a mother fucker.

That just sounds like a terrible idea.

 

[bravedave]

one thing is having both hps and mh going together but to think that just by adding mh in last couple of weeks is going to increase THC just not going to happen you can have the frostiest buds in the world does not mean its going to be high in THC
if you break it down Heat breaks down THC MH heat effciency compared to hps is bad..
I have run MH and can easily see 8 - 10 degree more in heat so one must think well i might be gaining in thc the heat on the other end is degrading it but this thread is not about mh last couple of weeks its about ..
light hrs
Can i ask how many watts you are running and how many sq feet ???
and is it optimum lighting wattage per sq foot imprint now that is the key to getting the best possible outcome and getting close to what any strain is capable of

Don't you control the heat? MH running hotter does not equate to my room being "8-10%" hotter unless I have hit a wall in my cooling ability. Right?

 

[BobCajun]

Looks like 10/14 is the way to prevent stretch and speed up ripening. And also 12/12 with 1 hr of light in the middle of the dark period is as good or better than 18/6 for veg mode. It would certainly save 5 hrs of power. With the 10/14 flowering cycle I would give them a few days or even a week of 14 hrs light at the end to try to increase THC levels and weight. 14 hrs is the critical day length for Cannabis flowering anyway so they won't start regenning or anything.

 

[SmokyLungs]

one thing is having both hps and mh going together but to think that just by adding mh in last couple of weeks is going to increase THC just not going to happen you can have the frostiest buds in the world does not mean its going to be high in THC
if you break it down Heat breaks down THC MH heat effciency compared to hps is bad..
I have run MH and can easily see 8 - 10 degree more in heat so one must think well i might be gaining in thc the heat on the other end is degrading it but this thread is not about mh last couple of weeks its about ..
light hrs
Can i ask how many watts you are running and how many sq feet ???
and is it optimum lighting wattage per sq foot imprint now that is the key to getting the best possible outcome and getting close to what any strain is capable of

Re read your own post and see why we would think about giving more dark time light breaks down the thc due to heat and how are we being cheap nobody said nothing about saving money if anything your the cheap skate freeloading from the sun mh hps lights and electricity aint free you know its just an expirement almost like the dark period before harvest so why not hop on the our door growing post instead of coming here and bashing everyone

 

[BobCajun]

That just sounds like a terrible idea.

the 6/12 cycle apparently does work, giving the same yields and quality from 33% less power. See page 87 of this pdf. That's a hefty savings in power costs for large grows, especially if you're also running AC for cooling. I don't know how you would set up a digital timer for that but it should be possible using different settings for each day of the week.

 

[torontoke]

6 hours for flowering will reduce your yield approx 40% but be finished roughly a week earlier.

8-9 hours will give you 25% less yield while saving you roughly 25-30% of hydro bill.

10 hours seems to be similar yield and finishes a few days earlier.
And still saves 2 hours per day.

 

[BobCajun]

6 hours for flowering will reduce your yield approx 40% but be finished roughly a week earlier.

8-9 hours will give you 25% less yield while saving you roughly 25-30% of hydro bill.

10 hours seems to be similar yield and finishes a few days earlier.
And still saves 2 hours per day.

Where do those figures come from, personal experience or is there a reference somewhere?

 

[Darth Vapour]

Re read your own post and see why we would think about giving more dark time light breaks down the thc due to heat and how are we being cheap nobody said nothing about saving money if anything your the cheap skate freeloading from the sun mh hps lights and electricity aint free you know its just an expirement almost like the dark period before harvest so why not hop on the our door growing post instead of coming here and bashing everyone

i didn't bash anyone was stating the obvious good growers mimic mother nature as close as possible when we grow indoor.. as if it was out door
And truth is in getting better quality is not from light dep its actually watering techniques i'll teach you something here son ,, just hang in here ..
A pound of sun-grown was fetching $1,800 in August, when enterprising growers are bringing hauls of "light-dep" to market (light-deprivation is the scientific method by which a pot planter fools his crop into flowering and budding early, usually by use of a tarp thrown over the plants to cut the use of sunlight).
By December, when the market is generally flooded with the recent harvest and when prices dip as low as $1,200 or lower, pounds were still going for $1,500. (At the dispensary counter, the cost of an eighth held steady.)
And those solid prices were for consistently higher-quality stuff,,
But what caused this to be higher quality to begin with ???
The answer was not playing around with light hrs to increase quality ,, it all had to to with water
In flush years, farmers tend to indulge in cannabis's ability to take as much as seven gallons of water per day, per plant. "Cannabis can take a lot of water,
But when you overwater, you cause the cell walls to swell. You get bigger yields, and higher weight, but the buds themselves aren't the same quality."
With only three gallons or so per plant, the buds are tighter and denser, with "more resin content because it's not a big, spread-out bud. ... They also have a much more robust flavor."
In other words, for conscientious growers, the drought could have finally broken the bad habits "endemic" in outdoor cultivation: overwatering and overfeeding. which many indoor growers do
this years cali drought taught many a lesson if you caught it less water is the key to better quality weed not dep light hrs or adding mh last couple weeks
Am i bashing or actually teaching everyone here a lesson take it as you like
. Nobody in agriculture is praying for clear skies and a dry creek bed. But so far, the apocalyptic drought has spelled disaster more for bad practices and bad players in the marijuana industry. and the ones that caught on or seen from there lab test better quality realize that water is the culprit to better quality higher THC and so on ..

 

[torontoke]

I've ran all those light cycles and currently have a few rooms going on them now.
There's a thread around here somewhere about em.

From my experience running these different cycles I've decided on using 8/16 myself for the 75% yield at 25% savings. I figure the week early finish equals an extra flower cycle per year.

 

[BobCajun]

I've ran all those light cycles and currently have a few rooms going on them now.
There's a thread around here somewhere about em.

From my experience running these different cycles I've decided on using 8/16 myself for the 75% yield at 25% savings. I figure the week early finish equals an extra flower cycle per year.

There's some discussion on the subject here. Doesn't appear to reduce yields and saves time and power. Seems like a winning situation to me. Same weight in fewer weeks means more product per week. That's the same as increased yield.

 

[torontoke]

There's some discussion on the subject here. Doesn't appear to reduce yields and saves time and power. Seems like a winning situation to me. Same weight in fewer weeks means more product per week. That's the same as increased yield.

I've read the figures on most flowering cycles and had many an argument over them. Especially on here.
The problem with using a light cycle that doesn't equal a 24 hr day is that u need a special timer and your light in times will fluctuate and be on during the more expensive time of the day half the time negating the energy savings. So it looks like a great idea but it is a side step to any real savings.
It honestly comes down to your motivation and end game.
For cash croppers or those living n dying by every gram stick with 12/12 or 11/13 but for those of us willing to sacrifice a few grams to reduce costs then it's good to know there's alternatives.

 

[BobCajun]

After reading the post about 10/14 preventing stretching and speeding flowering, I'm thinking maybe something like 6/14 might actually work, though I guess that might be pushing things a little.

 

[Darth Vapour]

After reading the post about 10/14 preventing stretching and speeding flowering, I'm thinking maybe something like 6/14 might actually work.

lol cmon dude why not 2 on and 22 off lets just drain the plants energy all together there for no growth or yields occur

 

[SmokyLungs]

i didn't bash anyone was stating the obvious good growers mimic mother nature as close as possible when we grow indoor.. as if it was out door
And truth is in getting better quality is not from light dep its actually watering techniques i'll teach you something here son ,, just hang in here ..
A pound of sun-grown was fetching $1,800 in August, when enterprising growers are bringing hauls of "light-dep" to market (light-deprivation is the scientific method by which a pot planter fools his crop into flowering and budding early, usually by use of a tarp thrown over the plants to cut the use of sunlight).
By December, when the market is generally flooded with the recent harvest and when prices dip as low as $1,200 or lower, pounds were still going for $1,500. (At the dispensary counter, the cost of an eighth held steady.)
And those solid prices were for consistently higher-quality stuff,,
But what caused this to be higher quality to begin with ???
The answer was not playing around with light hrs to increase quality ,, it all had to to with water
In flush years, farmers tend to indulge in cannabis's ability to take as much as seven gallons of water per day, per plant. "Cannabis can take a lot of water,
But when you overwater, you cause the cell walls to swell. You get bigger yields, and higher weight, but the buds themselves aren't the same quality."
With only three gallons or so per plant, the buds are tighter and denser, with "more resin content because it's not a big, spread-out bud. ... They also have a much more robust flavor."
In other words, for conscientious growers, the drought could have finally broken the bad habits "endemic" in outdoor cultivation: overwatering and overfeeding. which many indoor growers do
this years cali drought taught many a lesson if you caught it less water is the key to better quality weed not dep light hrs or adding mh last couple weeks
Am i bashing or actually teaching everyone here a lesson take it as you like
. Nobody in agriculture is praying for clear skies and a dry creek bed. But so far, the apocalyptic drought has spelled disaster more for bad practices and bad players in the marijuana industry. and the ones that caught on or seen from there lab test better quality realize that water is the culprit to better quality higher THC and so on ..

Wow so this is the elite growers secret huh i mean its common sense not to over water a plant u want to teach me on not over feeding nutes or seed germination as well or how about not slapping my plant around? Im all ears jedi master

 

[BobCajun]

lol cmon dude why not 2 on and 22 off lets just drain the plants energy all together there for no growth or yields occur

Because I believe they need at least 6 hrs at a time to maximize photosynthesis. For veg cycle I'm thinking 6/6. They would be getting 12 hrs light per day total.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Because I believe they need at least 6 hrs at a time to maximize photosynthesis. For veg cycle I'm thinking 6/6. They would be getting 12 hrs light per day total.

what you believe and what plants need are two different things for sure you can play god just remember artificial light is well just that artificial

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[Darth Vapour]

Wow so this is the elite growers secret huh i mean its common sense not to over water a plant u want to teach me on not over feeding nutes or seed germination as well or how about not slapping my plant around? Im all ears jedi master

lol coming from a grower that is still wet behind the ears you should pic your fights wisely lmao

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Wow so this is the elite growers secret huh i mean its common sense not to over water a plant u want to teach me on not over feeding nutes or seed germination as well or how about not slapping my plant around? Im all ears jedi master

no need for the disrespect man, he didn't come at you disrespectfully.
We have enough of that on this forum, i think he has a valid point on watering, some don't realize that.

Because I believe they need at least 6 hrs at a time to maximize photosynthesis. For veg cycle I'm thinking 6/6. They would be getting 12 hrs light per day total.

the secret t growing large flowering plants is to grow large vegetative plants man, that much light and your density is gonna be an issue, unless your flowers are light... but mine are always sagging down and needing support