testiclees
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Your humor is shitty just like your advice. "Cus you know i'm wright" wrong, youre a witless dolt.
What light should I buy
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green217
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(replacing a 1000w)
I would have a cob going now if I could, but I would have to drop around $1000 to totally build a DIY COB led with some nice bins. I want one badly, and agree they are where it's at. I believe the price is just going to get cheaper eventually, hopefully. but that is why i responded to the comment about HIDers saying they are expensive, they are. But yeah I know it will come back eventually(the money), but $1000 US dollars is needed in other places right now, while I have my HID going.I think its so funny HIDers talk about waste of $ and cost to much$.
They have no idea what there missing
(replacing a 1000w)
ttystikk
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I think that HID absolutely has its place in growing. The price of entry is undeniably one of its main attractions, so if one wanted good lighting for cheap, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the 860W CDM ($100) on a magnetic thousand watt ballast ($70). Vertical socket cordset ($30) eliminates reflector losses, and it's required for the 860W CDM lamp.I think its so funny HIDers talk about waste of $ and cost to much$.
They have no idea what there missing
$200 isn't buying that kind of output in LED just yet.
Now, if the conversation is about upgrades, I personally believe that there are few better choices than a DIY COB LED setup with CXB3590 or Vero29- at any price.
littlejacob
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Bonjour
You could start to build the now famous "cxb 3590 3500k cd X 4 on an hlg-185-1400b" for about 350 $(200 real Watt) than add others when you have money to.
I do it this way...I have 1 like this...4 more to go for a total of 26sq/ft
Have a great day ★
You could start to build the now famous "cxb 3590 3500k cd X 4 on an hlg-185-1400b" for about 350 $(200 real Watt) than add others when you have money to.
I do it this way...I have 1 like this...4 more to go for a total of 26sq/ft
Have a great day ★
ttystikk
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This is fast becoming an excellent option, indeed!
littlejacob
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Now, if the conversation is about upgrades, I personally believe that there are few better choices than a DIY COB LED setup with CXB3590 or Vero29- at any price.[/QUOTE]
What kind of better choices do you have in mind?!?
What kind of better choices do you have in mind?!?
Stephenj37826
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Lol this is not speculation it is facts. Just think about this. First time in space all we had was math to figure everything out with. Amazingly enough we made it into the unknown based on math and science. The math is there. It takes a willfully ignorant person to not accept that innovation happens and technology will always progress. Just think that dated hid hps technology you love so much was at one time a big step up from incandescent. One thing you can't argue with its fact. FACT IS SOME LEDS PUT OUT MORE LIGHT PER WATT THAN ANY HID. That's the bottom line. Now take that and calculate the fact that there isn't a reflector causing upwards of 30% of that hps light to turn into heat and you've got yourself a more efficient setup period. Some people will never except fact. Do some research and then look in the mirror and say how could've I been so wrong lol. At the end of the day use what you want but don't discourage the next person who questions if the world is flat lol.
ttystikk
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I wouldn't know... Which is why I hedged my words. I'm an experienced layman- and even less than that when it comes to lighting- so I do not presume to know everything there is to know about the current state of the indoor horticultural lighting art.
Tl;dr- just covering my butt, lol
Stephenj37826
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This is true right now lol. One day we may see led that actually absorbs ambient heat and turns that energy into light. At that point who knows lol. A man can dream can't he lol
innerG
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I got a complete 400w kit for under $150 with dimmable ballast, reflector, both MH and HPS bulbs, pulleys, and timer. Is there anything comparable in LED? ~50,000 lumensI think its so funny HIDers talk about waste of $ and cost to much$.
They have no idea what there missing
Our electricity here in WA is also about 8 cents per kilowatt hour
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ttystikk
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There's nothing written in stone about the sun's spectrum output being the absolute best match for plant physiology.
Such heat absorbing and re-emmision devices already exist in the lab.
ttystikk
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True story. LED is better at everything... except cost of entry.
innerG
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If your electricity is cheap enough, it can take a loooong time for the efficiency of LED to outweigh the cost of entry, IMO.
Plus, by then there's always something better out LED-wise. They may last forever, but who cares when you want the cool new tech every 2 years?
ttystikk
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That depends much more on your system of growing than it does on the price of power. If you're running a sealed room, you need to take power consumption of your climate control system- and attendant savings on the switch- into account.
The second argument, while true, is emotional; today's LED lighting is already substantially better than HID, so waiting doesn't make sense. Just because better LED tech is always coming to market doesn't mean the 'old' rig won't keep chugging along at its rated specs- better ones than HID.
Stephenj37826
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Isn't that true about just about everything. Iphone 76 lol. We are programmed to always want the next best thing lol.
Stephenj37826
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And during build out less cooling equipment saves money as well. It also allows people to put more light in limited spaces such as a tent. You take that 400 hps and figure 30% wasted in reflector your down to 35k lumens. Then those lumens don't contain the quality of light that a great led does. So a 350-400$ cob setup will match it. Double that and you can run alot more light in that same space with equal heat. I mean if you are growing and a few hundred bucks makes a huge diffrence to you then you are doing something majorly wrong lol.
hellmutt bones
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Well yes Led will be the norm some day and yes its very efficient and i will someday grow something with LED, some day but for the moment there isn't a cost effective way of buyng led with out knowing that led havent yet reached ther technological potential to use led now is like buyng a Atari game console knowing tham well that just a few years down the line theres gonna be a Playstation 4 so in essence its like throwing your money away now.
But yes do agree LEDs some day will be the norm.
ttystikk
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Not true. If you buy something that's better than what you're using now, it won't matter if it's superseded next year. It's still better.
testiclees
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"Its like throwing away money" Its not anything like that. You defend technology that is unaplogetically inefficient and anachronistic. Your reasoning is laughable. No one should buy a new corvette because next years will be better? HID can never be better than LED already was.
I said it already: you are a nit wit. Top quality led surpasses top quality hid in efficiency by nearly 50%.
Stick with games and game playing your analogies reveal the thoughtless dogma behind your nonsensical comments.
werm11
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Why do you come to the led threads everyday if you hate them so much. No one wants to read the vomit you spew daily. Just stop