Nitrogen Toxicity , take a look at the pics, verify , and help, thanks

Tim Fox

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looks like I have nitrogen toxicity, I am starting week 6 flower, grow is in ffof, no nutes for first 4 weeks of flower, then 1/4 strength nutes at every watering, for a total of 3 waterings, and now ,, classic hook leaf,some tip burns, and that shiny look, and overall leaf droop,, ,
I cant flush, sorry I am in scrog and did not plan in advance for a way to flush, the fabric pots are on plastic rings, so I can water heavy till run off , but I cant lift pots out for sink or bathtub, nor can i take the plants out of the box,
this morning I only used plain water, ph to 6.8 with TDS of .025 very plain water,
QUESTIONS
can you verify this is nitrogen toxicity?
should I just use plain water from here on out , the final 2 or 3 weeks till harvest?
ideas,, thought answers,, thanks everyone
 

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Bugeye

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I wouldn't call what you have nitrogen toxicity. Leaf structure looks a bit over-watered in pics with only clawing in last pic. They do look like they could use some cal/mag.
 

*BUDS

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Change the nutes, if you only gave it 1/4 strength and burnt the tips like you have something is wrong. Also ph should be 5.8 and you cant stop feeding at this stage or you will end up with a very light harvest.
Start new flowering nutes at 5.8.
 

harris hawk

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Just flush for at least 1 week - nutrients used ? nitrogen, nutrient overdose ? remember once you notice a plant issue - you are all ready two week behind in fixing it - so a 1 = week flush would be very benifical Lighting ?
 

Tim Fox

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Change the nutes, if you only gave it 1/4 strength and burnt the tips like you have something is wrong. Also ph should be 5.8 and you cant stop feeding at this stage or you will end up with a very light harvest.
Start new flowering nutes at 5.8.
well I am in soil, and everyone has said 5.5 to 5.8 is the ph setting for hydro, I did 5.8 last grow and it pretty much killed my plants with nute lock out in soil,, have you heard of this?
most guys are reporting the soil grows need a ph of 6.5 to 7,, thoughts?
 

Tim Fox

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Just flush for at least 1 week - nutrients used ? nitrogen, nutrient overdose ? remember once you notice a plant issue - you are all ready two week behind in fixing it - so a 1 = week flush would be very benifical Lighting ?
General hydroponics maxi bloom,, Fox farms ocean forrest soil, I am growing under DIY LED 2 times cxa3070 cree cobs running at 1.4 amps , this is probably equal to a 250 watt hid bulb,
 

Tim Fox

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Change the nutes, if you only gave it 1/4 strength and burnt the tips like you have something is wrong. Also ph should be 5.8 and you cant stop feeding at this stage or you will end up with a very light harvest.
Start new flowering nutes at 5.8.
I am starting to wonder if the maxi series of nutes is too hot for FFOF?,,
 

Tim Fox

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Just flush for at least 1 week - nutrients used ? nitrogen, nutrient overdose ? remember once you notice a plant issue - you are all ready two week behind in fixing it - so a 1 = week flush would be very benifical Lighting ?
I cant flush, sorry I am in scrog and did not plan in advance for a way to flush, the fabric pots are on plastic rings, so I can water heavy till run off , but I cant lift pots out for sink or bathtub, nor can i take the plants out of the box,
 

polishpollack

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this does look like over fert. ffof has fert in it already, a topic of much discussion. since you can't flush, don't do anything now. the damage isn't terrible. just learn the lesson. chances are you could nothing but water for the duration and be okay.
 

Tim Fox

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this does lookown forke over fert. ffof has fert in it already, a topic of much discussion. since you can't flush, don't do anything now. the damage isn't terrible. just learn the lesson. chances are you could nothing but water for the duration and be okay.
Bang that's the stuff, I am way into the idea that ffof can hold its own, really need to find these discussions, Ilove easy,, sorry but it's true, problem I am having is getting a handle on it, second grow in this soil both times now using just water and everything is just fine, then when everyone says OK start adding nutes and I do ,, light nutes, even the ttds pen said 337, pretty low right, now today after giving them straight water yesterday they are perking up had several leaves reaching for the light again,
 

ButchyBoy

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I was going to comment on your watering. I was going to suggest clear water for awhile but you got it handled. :clap:
 

*BUDS

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Sorry mate i saw the pipes and thought it was hydro, ph should be 6.5 in soil.

Signs of Nitrogen Toxicity

  • Dark green leaves and foliage

  • Leaf tips may turn down, without signs of overwatering.

  • You may notice yellowing on the affected leaves or other signs of nutrient deficiencies as time goes on

  • Nitrogen toxicity is often but not always accompanied by nutrient burn

  • The Claw often seems random, affecting leaves here and there

  • Heat and pH problems will make the clawing worse, as they stress out the plant and lower her defenses, and cause her to drink more water (and uptake more N)

  • As time goes on, the claw leaves will eventually start turning yellow, getting spots, and dying







Solution: Reduce the Nitrogen your plant is getting!

Reduce the amount of nitrogen that is being fed to the plants. If you are feeding extra nutrients, cut down that amount. If you are in the flowering / budding stage, make sure you're using a formula that's specifically meant for flowering, or else it could have too much nitrogen.

If you are not feeding extra nutrients, you may have "hot" soil that has been giving your plants extra nutrients. In that case, flush your plants with filtered, pH'ed water to help clear out the extra nitrogen.

Effected leaves likely won't recover, but you should see the problem halt with no new leaves being affected.



Wait! I'm not sure if it's Nitrogen toxicity!

Ok, you ruled out overwatering, now what?

When I first got started growing, everyone kept telling me that this particular kind of leaf clawing was caused by under or overwatering my plants, pH problems, or heat problems.

Yet in my case, I knew that it wasn't over or under watering (I was growing in hydro, where roots grow directly in water and air stones are constantly adding oxygen). I knew it wasn't pH (my reservoir water had the right pH) and I knew it wasn't heat since the grow area was slightly cooler than room temperature.

So then what was really causing my claw leaves?

It's understandable that other growers were mistaken. It is true that many stresses will make any other problem worse.

Plus overwatering can cause a similar kind of leaf clawing (learn more below). And if you do have nitrogen toxicity, than heat or pH problems will make the problem much worse.

Now, you may or may not know that marijuana (or any plant) needs an element known as "Nitrogen" to grow.

In fact, nitrogen is one of the 3 nutrients that are included in almost every kind of plant food.

When looking at plant nutrients, you'll almost always see 3 numbers listed, like 3-12-6 or 5-10-5. These numbers represent the ratio of Nitrogen (N), Phosphorous (P) and Potassium (K) contained in the bottle. Just about all plant life on Earth needs these 3 elements to grow.



The very first number, "3" in the case of the picture to the right, always displays the proportion of nitrogen in this nutrient bottle compared to the other 2 nutrients (Phosphorus and Potassium respectively).

The reason nitrogen is in all plant nutrient formulations is because it's vital to plant processes.

For marijuana plants, when they don't get enough nitrogen, the bottom leaves start turning yellow and dying. Left unchecked, a nitrogen deficiency can cause the whole plant to eventually die.

However, this time we're the dealing with the opposite problem: nitrogen toxicity, or too much nitrogen.

Why You Should Treat And Prevent Nitrogen Toxicity

  • Marijuana plants that get too much Nitrogen in the vegetative stage don't grow as vigorously.

  • Too much nitrogen is especially harmful in the flowering stage, because this will cause your plant to produce much smaller buds.

  • If you react quickly and reduce your nitrogen levels at the first sign of toxicity, your plant will quickly recover.
Note: Some strains with the word "Claw" in the name tend to do The Claw more easily than others.

Problems with excess nitrogen are not common in the wild; it's a lot more common to see nitrogen toxicity on indoor plants, especially when overzealous growers go overboard with nutrients.

Occasionally you'll come across a strain or particular plant that likes lower levels of nutrients, and when this happens, it's important to realize the plant is showing signs of toxicity, even if all the other plants in your garden seem fine.

One of the most common signs off too-many-nutrients is "nutrient burn," or when the tips of your leaf appear brown or burned. Yet there are specific signals your plant will display when she's getting too much nitrogen...

Recap: How You Know You Have a Nitrogen Toxicity

  • Dark green leaves and foliage

  • Leaf tips turn down, without signs of overwatering.

  • You may notice yellowing on the affected leaves or other signs of nutrient deficiencies as time goes on

  • Nitrogen toxicity is often but not always accompanied by nutrient burn

  • The Claw often seems random, affecting leaves here and there

  • Heat and pH problems will make the clawing worse, as they stress out the plant and lower her defenses, and cause her to drink more water (and uptake more N)

  • As time goes on, the claw leaves will eventually start turning yellow, getting spots, and dying
 

classykeyser

Active Member
That definitely looks like an overdose mixed in with a little bit of overwatering. I'd stop feeding nutes until the burning of the tips of the leaves stops. Moreover, make sure you let the soil get dry at the surface before feeding the plants water again.
 
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