Has LED lost it's Cool?

[PurpleBuz]

When are we going to see AT600 vs 700w of cob?

I think greengenes did that

 

[Michael Huntherz]

If you're lucky enough to have induction lighting, then yeah, LEDs aren't that cool. There's all kinds of awesome light technologies now, but LED continues to evolve comparatively rapidly. Interesting points, all. lol no troll @PurpleBuz

 

[Growmau5]

I think Amare is on the right track for keeping the cool factor, using a 2530 with a circular PCB around each cob for the monos. If they step it up to cxb3590's on the same platform at a competitive price, that would be even cooler.

 

[churchhaze]

If you're lucky enough to have induction lighting, then yeah, LEDs aren't that cool. There's all kinds of awesome light technologies now, but LED continues to evolve comparatively rapidly. Interesting points, all. lol no troll @PurpleBuz

Induction is only slightly more efficient than regular fluorescent lamps. White leds the way we run them is actually a lot more efficient than Inda-gro.. Imo, Inda-gro is really struggling for reasons to exist.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Induction is only slightly more efficient than regular fluorescent lamps. White leds the way we run them is actually a lot more efficient than Inda-gro.. Imo, Inda-gro is really struggling for reasons to exist.

This is sort of sad, because that's cool tech. Like I said, and I guess I'm not paying enough attention, but LED is moving fast compared to the other types.

 

[PurpleBuz]

Induction is only slightly more efficient than regular fluorescent lamps. White leds the way we run them is actually a lot more efficient than Inda-gro.. Imo, Inda-gro is really struggling for reasons to exist.

and has all the same problems as T5s. deep red is lacking.

 

[JimmyIndica]

and has all the same problems as T5s. deep red is lacking.

I agree w/ya. 625+ I am seeing more frost and a possibility of more oil production.
Cant prove it though.
I say that due to the fact? over the last several months. My personal smoke has been coming the the 625+ fixtures,but weight has been coming from the COB.

 

[medicinehuman]

I am doing the best ever since upgrading to 3590 3000k AB bin. I have more than doubled production and I did have a Hans and CLW before . The 3070's were good but these 3590's are the cat's meow for me right now. I don't have the pleasure of working with Vero's or any other so I can't speak for them. LED's
are alive and well IMO. maybe Nasa's behind times.

 

[DG1959]

I run four 300w mars in a 4x8 grow area and so far my harvests have been okay. I do think LED's might be the way to go with autoflowering plants...I am trying it right now.

 

[gk skunky]

I run four 300w mars in a 4x8 grow area and so far my harvests have been okay. I do think LED's might be the way to go with autoflowering plants...I am trying it right now.

Should really consider trying some other led fixtures or diy. Should be getting better than ok harvest if 4x8 and if that's a actual 1200w at the wall. I'd be dissatisfied if I couldn't pull 3.5lb per cycle/rotation for that area and wattage.

 

[JimmyIndica]

Should really consider trying some other led fixtures or diy. Should be getting better than ok harvest if 4x8 and if that's a actual 1200w at the wall. I'd be dissatisfied if I couldn't pull 3.5lb per cycle/rotation for that area and wattage.

What your average yield #s and quality with 4 Mars 300s

 

[DocCox]

Are they?

There's no way white LEDs will be more efficient. They're just blue ones covered with phosphor.
And yet the most efficient LED available is white.
Why is that?

I thought the most efficient LED was the one they made in Russia that pulled energy from the heat in its surroundings.

What's the specific LED you are referring to in this post? Would removing the coating applied make it more efficient?

I suspect the future involves ever smaller LEDs packed into ever smaller spaces running ever lower currents, and not being white but rather a preselected amalgam of single wavelength LEDs that may simply appear white because it's the color most human beings would purchase. Maybe a few will be NASA spectrum particularly suited to plants.

This probably won't be a trend in the near future as there are much less expensive and expedite means to improving efficiency, but when the less difficult gains are exhausted the more difficult avenues will be religiously pursued. IMHO

 

[gk skunky]

What your average yield #s and quality with 4 Mars 300s

I don't. I run a 6-cxa diy, xgs 190, and rw 150 in a 4x4. So half that space and about half that wattage. Average 1.3+g/W, currently been over 1.5 past 2 month rotation prior to August right now trending around 1.8 but with the rest of the rotation to come through by the end of next month I expect that to sink back to around 1.4 or so. Don't expect to stay that high. Strain rotation plays a big part too. But 1200w at the wall running at 1.3g/W average would be 3.5lbs. If i couldn't maintain that knowing it's possible with other available tech I'd be unhappy.

 

[JimmyIndica]

I run four 300w mars in a 4x8 grow area and so far my harvests have been okay. I do think LED's might be the way to go with autoflowering plants...I am trying it right now.

Whats your average yield #s and quality with the 4 mars 300s

 

[JimmyIndica]

I don't. I run a 6-cxa diy, xgs 190, and rw 150 in a 4x4. So half that space and about half that wattage. Average 1.3+g/W, currently been over 1.5 past 2 month rotation prior to August right now trending around 1.8 but with the rest of the rotation to come through by the end of next month I expect that to sink back to around 1.4 or so. Don't expect to stay that high. Strain rotation plays a big part too. But 1200w at the wall running at 1.3g/W average would be 3.5lbs. If i couldn't maintain that knowing it's possible with other available tech I'd be unhappy.

I dumbed out there for minute.Sorry to disrespect u with the mars comment

 

[gk skunky]

I dumbed out there for minute.Sorry to disrespect u with the mars comment

Didn't take that as disrespect at all.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I dumbed out there for minute.Sorry to disrespect u with the mars comment

A buddy of mine got .54g/w from two plants with two "300W" Mars Hydro 1st Generation (100x3W peak), each about 136 watts actual. It was excellent quality, Jean Guy from seed in soil, and his first grow. This is acceptable for us beginners, but certainly not cutting edge. Just posting results for anyone interested in knowing.

 

[OneHitDone]

Induction is only slightly more efficient than regular fluorescent lamps. White leds the way we run them is actually a lot more efficient than Inda-gro.. Imo, Inda-gro is really struggling for reasons to exist.

There's that tricky efficiency term again.
I would put induction up against any other light source for veg.
What would most of you led guys use over a 4x4 for led?
4 IG100's hung over a 4x4 I am confident would grow much more robust, thick stalked plants than the 400W led options with a much nicer coverage.
The 420's definitely grow some nice herb too. Probably the best coverage out there for someone that wants to set up a closet quickly and have a nice coverage over a 3x4 space.
I do think there could be some extra horse power blended with a cob or higher intensity pontoon addition.
All in all it is a beautiful product with a unmatched warranty and company that actually backs it up with no sass.
What are you going to do when your Meanwell DIY driver craps out mid flower? I know inda-gro will have my problem fixed within 2-3 days.

Anyone know how Apache and Rapid LED are with handling warranties?

 

[OneHitDone]

A buddy of mine got .54g/w from two plants with two "300W" Mars Hydro 1st Generation (100x3W peak), each about 136 watts actual. It was excellent quality, Jean Guy from seed in soil, and his first grow. This is acceptable for us beginners, but certainly not cutting edge. Just posting results for anyone interested in knowing.

I think that is a down to earth yield # of what most can expect to repeatedly produce
I myself am in the camp that a lot of these #'s are either straight up inflated or they are definitely counting stem and trim weight.
I have seen quite a few bigger grows in my area from people that have been doing it a long time and deep in the circles and none are claiming over 1g per watt

 

[Michael Huntherz]

There's that tricky efficiency term again.
I would put induction up against any other light source for veg.
What would most of you led guys use over a 4x4 for led?
4 IG100's hung over a 4x4 I am confident would grow much more robust, thick stalked plants than the 400W led options with a much nicer coverage.
The 420's definitely grow some nice herb too. Probably the best coverage out there for someone that wants to set up a closet quickly and have a nice coverage over a 3x4 space.
I do think there could be some extra horse power blended with a cob or higher intensity pontoon addition.
All in all it is a beautiful product with a unmatched warranty and company that actually backs it up with no sass.
What are you going to do when your Meanwell DIY driver craps out mid flower? I know inda-gro will have my problem fixed within 2-3 days.

Anyone know how Apache and Rapid LED are with handling warranties?

While I agree with you, "400W" LED products are usually in the ~200W range. Maybe you're saying you'd beat 400W actual, I don't know.
And to part two, Amazon delivers pretty fast, usually, not to take anything away from Inda-Grow's warranty.