Where did your God come from?

[justugh]

I never claimed to be a "christian", and i can't understand why you think i'm part of "the system". Don't you see how every christian here is arguing with me, too? I'm just a believer and follower of what god's word actually says, not the lukewarmed version that you hate so much and that so many people accept as "the truth". It would take you years to understand where i'm at, because it's taken me to study every day for years to get here. I know you have a lot of really important opinions about christianity, and believe me they sound really good, but i still don't think you get it that "christianity" is a perversion of the bible - focusing on the person of christ rather than the message he brought. Maybe you should try studying how much the catholic church has perverted what the bible already says. Sounds like you are more against those guys.

not like it is a argument to put u down .....more of debate on viewpoints

u still need more study.....got alot of the points right but u are still missing big parts to the puzzle .....u spent years doing this i spent my whole life time since i could read books alot of what u are missing is other cultures stories and views not talking religion talking whole cultures

and just for shits and giggle on my side .......look at the noah story from every single culture (even the dead ones) look at the creation ones too ......and the number of times pl say the world has been started over .....finally look at the description of monsters/demons /gods/heroes from every where (talking mystic cult books too)

oh and u need to keep up on tech developments and medical research

 

[SweetHayz]

I never claimed to be a "christian", and i can't understand why you think i'm part of "the system". Don't you see how every christian here is arguing with me, too? I'm just a believer and follower of what god's word actually says, not the lukewarmed version that you hate so much and that so many people accept as "the truth". It would take you years to understand where i'm at, because it's taken me to study every day for years to get here. I know you have a lot of really important opinions about christianity, and believe me they sound really good, but i still don't think you get it that "christianity" is a perversion of the bible - focusing on the person of christ rather than the message he brought. Maybe you should try studying how much the catholic church has perverted what the bible already says. Sounds like you are more against those guys.

I'm against any religion that teaches people to worship the power of so called "god" and his "words".
Humans however have no clue yet how universe has been created, therefore they have created theories and believes based on no facts because they yet have no explanation.

There is no soul. There is brains. Once you die you don't go to hell nor heaven. There is no life after death. You degrade to dust. That dust gives life to a million new things. You do not disappear from the face of earth. The gravity will keep you atoms in the planets atmosphere. Its just that you are not among the living anymore.

Meanwhile if I have to choose a religion i'd probably go for Hinduism as it is a lifestyle that teaches every living thing is holy and it has it's purpose in life (which is the exact circle of life).
Perhaps I don't have the time to loose myself deep into religions.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

not like it is a argument to put u down .....more of debate on viewpoints

u still need more study.....got alot of the points right but u are still missing big parts to the puzzle .....u spent years doing this i spent my whole life time since i could read books alot of what u are missing is other cultures stories and views not talking religion talking whole cultures

and just for shits and giggle on my side .......look at the noah story from every single culture (even the dead ones) look at the creation ones too ......and the number of times pl say the world has been started over .....finally look at the description of monsters/demons /gods/heroes from every where (talking mystic cult books too)

oh and u need to keep up on tech developments and medical research

We all need more study. The first thing anyone should learn from god's word is you need to study it every day. That's why god gave the bareans a good report even against the thessalonians who "knew more" but rejected what was taught through christ and the apostles. Maybe you should go back to the meat of the bible such as the resurrection, the 1,000 year reign, righteousness, and the trinity and keep your mind off of all of this material knowledge you are trying to get me into.

 

[SweetHayz]

@SamsonsRiddle You should read "the lord of the rings" it is pretty interesting book full of mythical events. I also enjoyed reading the Greek mythology as a little kid.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

I'm against any religion that is teaching people to worship the power of so called "god" and his "words".
Humans however have no clue yet how universe has been created, therefore they have created theories and believes based on no facts because they yet have no explanation. <---Your ignorance of the spiritual is admirable, not many people can turn their back on opening their mind to god as much as you. bravo! at least you have the part that humans can't seem to figure out shit on their own right.

There is no soul. <---maybe you don't understand what a soul is. An animal has a soul like a human. It's called "nephesh" in the old testament, and is just the living being. Maybe you mean an eternal soul - which i agree is not true.

There is brains. Once you die you don't go to hell nor heaven. There is no life after death. You degrade to dust. That dust gives life to a million new things. You do not disappear from the face of earth. The gravity will keep you atoms in the planets atmosphere. Its just that you are not among the living anymore. <---have you not read anything i've posted? the bible says when you die you are in the ground in a "sleeplike" state where you know nothing of what is going on in this world. Like sleeping with no dreams. Once again, i don't know where you get your information about the word of god says, but it's not from the bible. Noone is going to heaven, in fact, the bible says heaven is coming to earth. Check the beattitudes; "the meek shall inherit THE EARTH".

Meanwhile if I have to choose a religion i'd probably go for Hinduism as it is a lifestyle that teaches every living thing is holy and it has it's purpose in life (which is the exact circle of life). <---basically you become god. isn't this already what you believe that you are a god and should decide for yourself and others what is best? selfishness much?
Perhaps I don't have the time to loose myself deep into religions.

 

[SweetHayz]

Your ignorance of the spiritual is admirable, not many people can turn their back on opening their mind to god as much as you. bravo! at least you have the part that humans can't seem to figure out shit on their own right.
You still do not provide any facts. Only believes of spiritual existence. Humans do "figure out shit on their own" step by step. If humans couldn't figure out things you'd probably still be living in a cave. You would't be posting crap about your "god" believes over the cyber network using computing telecommunication powered by electricity provided by your suppler created most likely by atomic cores and there is also many individual non very common electrical source such as solar panels and more.

Or you would like me to start the argument about the round earth and how much your bible is edited?

maybe you don't understand what a soul is. An animal has a soul like a human. It's called "nephesh" in the old testament, and is just the living being. Maybe you mean an eternal soul - which i agree is not true.
You again state something based on old biblical books with no evidence of whatsoever to back you up.

have you not read anything i've posted? the bible says when you die you are in the ground in a "sleeplike" state where you know nothing of what is going on in this world. Like sleeping with no dreams. Once again, i don't know where you get your information about the word of god says, but it's not from the bible. Noone is going to heaven, in fact, the bible says heaven is coming to earth. Check the beattitudes; "the meek shall inherit THE EARTH".
Again you state a believe based on your religion. Stating you are sleeplike is incorrect. Sleeplike is for the living. Dead do not exist. They are atoms that are falling a part because they have no charge to keep them together. These atoms bind to new combinations turning into nutrients which are then consumed many other living things no matter if plants, insects or animals..

The Bible states heaven is coming to earth after god kill all human kind with the mythical apocalypse of the Armageddon. The Bible also states that "god" has place in heaven for a numerous specific people within the writings. As far as I'm concerned bible also states that "god" lives in heavens which are now in the skies. Don't make me dig deeper into hells and heavens because this is biblical mythology. Its is interesting to read but pretty funny to believe in.

basically you become god. isn't this already what you believe that you are a god and should decide for yourself and others what is best? selfishness much?
I do not become "god" because i do not believe in "god". I take responsibility for my actions as every person should. And how does Hinduism decides what is best for others when the lifestyle specifically teaches not to interrupt the life cycle of the MOTHER NATURE. How is that selfishness?

SELFISHNESS IS FOR THE MAN DESTROYING THE WORLD IN BELIEVE THEN "GOD" WILL BE HIS SAVIOR.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BELIEVE STUDYING THE "GOD'S WORDS" WILL GIVE YOU "GOD'S" PROTECTION.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BE SO NAIVE LIKE YOU.



@SamsonsRiddle

 

[SweetHayz]

If you can not keep an argument by providing facts,evidence or scientific experiments for your biblical theories. Your words means nothing, so does your "god's".

If you throw another quote with no back up of whatsoever ill take whatever bible you read there and virtually smack you in the face!

When I was 9 I started modding hacks for various online games.
When I was 12 I build myself my first computer.
When I was 13 I setup my first online game server.
When I was 14 I started working in a computer shop servicing computers.
When I was 15-17 I was learning to use linux as well as backdoor hacking
and ratting. (right now i'm hacked into wifi network using hardware spoofer therefore even the best hacker can not find my defined location.)
When I was 17 I built myself the very first car out of scrap yard parts.
When I was 18-21 I was into modding cars. Also that time I started doing illusions such as a close up magic tricks. (That opened my mind to how easy is to manipulate people thoughts)
In the past few years I'm into chemistry. I am creating different chemical formulations for various purposes.
That said, when you learn to break life down to chemical components you would realize how life works.

About what I do for living. My general income comes from day-trading stocks.
I'm also part time magician. I do close up magic show twice a week around various hotels.
My side income as well as hobby comes from investing into cars and technology.
I'm also running a small illegal operation. Taxing these money trough a small private business .
And guess what? I live in a small tiny 1 bedroom house, with a small tiny garden. In a small tiny village.
And all my money goes to my family. My mother came here as emigrant. A single mother with three children"a believer" working 14 years of her live for a "brother from the church" with no social insurance.
Now she is old and has no pension. So supporting my family is in first priority to everything else. My mother thought me love. My mother thought me right from wrong. My mother thought me to work hard for my goals. Believe in "god" gave her nothing than hope to push trough the hard times. I am really proud of her for all she did for rising us.
I do not seek hope from "god". My intention to live, is a hope strong enough to keep me pushing and I see myself as a successful person without any of your "god's" help.

 

[justugh]

We all need more study. The first thing anyone should learn from god's word is you need to study it every day. That's why god gave the bareans a good report even against the thessalonians who "knew more" but rejected what was taught through christ and the apostles. Maybe you should go back to the meat of the bible such as the resurrection, the 1,000 year reign, righteousness, and the trinity and keep your mind off of all of this material knowledge you are trying to get me into.

burying your head and mind in one book is dumb .......god helps those that help them self so i been going after knowledge ..reading only one book and memorizing it does not mean crap if u do not have some understanding of life

the bible is stories to help set and design a moral compass in ppl rest of the work is up to the person........ science and religion are near the same thing trying to explain the unknown (order to chaos) both tools for mankind to use to grow

 

[shishkaboy]

What religion was there before the bible?

 

[SweetHayz]

What religion was there before the bible?

Hinduism is older than Christianity. As one of the today's living religions. As far as Egyptian mythology we can go back to 3000 bc.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

burying your head and mind in one book is dumb .......god helps those that help them self so i been going after knowledge ..reading only one book and memorizing it does not mean crap if u do not have some understanding of life

the bible is stories to help set and design a moral compass in ppl rest of the work is up to the person........ science and religion are near the same thing trying to explain the unknown (order to chaos) both tools for mankind to use to grow

Mr intelligence, telling me it's a bad thing to study the word of god every day, LOL!!!
Whoever said anything about memorizing anything? The Bible is the LIVING word of god, not a dead set of words on some pages. The words don't change, but the meaning is revealed over time - much like as a baby you don't understand how to discipline a child or grandchild, etc.... With your responses, it's obvious you don't have as much as a grasp over the bible as you think you do. Maybe you need to humble yourself and get back in the book every day and find out what things you have been missing.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

If you can not keep an argument by providing facts,evidence or scientific experiments for your biblical theories. Your words means nothing, so does your "god's".

If you throw another quote with no back up of whatsoever ill take whatever bible you read there and virtually smack you in the face!

When I was 9 I started modding hacks for various online games.
When I was 12 I build myself my first computer.
When I was 13 I setup my first online game server.
When I was 14 I started working in a computer shop servicing computers.
When I was 15-17 I was learning to use linux as well as backdoor hacking
and ratting. (right now i'm hacked into wifi network using hardware spoofer therefore even the best hacker can not find my defined location.)
When I was 17 I built myself the very first car out of scrap yard parts.
When I was 18-21 I was into modding cars. Also that time I started doing illusions such as a close up magic tricks. (That opened my mind to how easy is to manipulate people thoughts)
In the past few years I'm into chemistry. I am creating different chemical formulations for various purposes.
That said, when you learn to break life down to chemical components you would realize how life works.

About what I do for living. My general income comes from day-trading stocks.
I'm also part time magician. I do close up magic show twice a week around various hotels.
My side income as well as hobby comes from investing into cars and technology.
I'm also running a small illegal operation. Taxing these money trough a small private business .
And guess what? I live in a small tiny 1 bedroom house, with a small tiny garden. In a small tiny village.
And all my money goes to my family. My mother came here as emigrant. A single mother with three children"a believer" working 14 years of her live for a "brother from the church" with no social insurance.
Now she is old and has no pension. So supporting my family is in first priority to everything else. My mother thought me love. My mother thought me right from wrong. My mother thought me to work hard for my goals. Believe in "god" gave her nothing than hope to push trough the hard times. I am really proud of her for all she did for rising us.
I do not seek hope from "god". My intention to live, is a hope strong enough to keep me pushing and I see myself as a successful person without any of your "god's" help.

Good luck!!!!

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

Hinduism is older than Christianity. As one of the today's living religions. As far as Egyptian mythology we can go back to 3000 bc.

The chicken came before the egg, too

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

Your ignorance of the spiritual is admirable, not many people can turn their back on opening their mind to god as much as you. bravo! at least you have the part that humans can't seem to figure out shit on their own right.
You still do not provide any facts. Only believes of spiritual existence. Humans do "figure out shit on their own" step by step. If humans couldn't figure out things you'd probably still be living in a cave. You would't be posting crap about your "god" believes over the cyber network using computing telecommunication powered by electricity provided by your suppler created most likely by atomic cores and there is also many individual non very common electrical source such as solar panels and more.

Or you would like me to start the argument about the round earth and how much your bible is edited?

maybe you don't understand what a soul is. An animal has a soul like a human. It's called "nephesh" in the old testament, and is just the living being. Maybe you mean an eternal soul - which i agree is not true.
You again state something based on old biblical books with no evidence of whatsoever to back you up.

have you not read anything i've posted? the bible says when you die you are in the ground in a "sleeplike" state where you know nothing of what is going on in this world. Like sleeping with no dreams. Once again, i don't know where you get your information about the word of god says, but it's not from the bible. Noone is going to heaven, in fact, the bible says heaven is coming to earth. Check the beattitudes; "the meek shall inherit THE EARTH".
Again you state a believe based on your religion. Stating you are sleeplike is incorrect. Sleeplike is for the living. Dead do not exist. They are atoms that are falling a part because they have no charge to keep them together. These atoms bind to new combinations turning into nutrients which are then consumed many other living things no matter if plants, insects or animals..

The Bible states heaven is coming to earth after god kill all human kind with the mythical apocalypse of the Armageddon. The Bible also states that "god" has place in heaven for a numerous specific people within the writings. As far as I'm concerned bible also states that "god" lives in heavens which are now in the skies. Don't make me dig deeper into hells and heavens because this is biblical mythology. Its is interesting to read but pretty funny to believe in.

basically you become god. isn't this already what you believe that you are a god and should decide for yourself and others what is best? selfishness much?
I do not become "god" because i do not believe in "god". I take responsibility for my actions as every person should. And how does Hinduism decides what is best for others when the lifestyle specifically teaches not to interrupt the life cycle of the MOTHER NATURE. How is that selfishness?

SELFISHNESS IS FOR THE MAN DESTROYING THE WORLD IN BELIEVE THEN "GOD" WILL BE HIS SAVIOR.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BELIEVE STUDYING THE "GOD'S WORDS" WILL GIVE YOU "GOD'S" PROTECTION.
SELFISHNESS IS TO BE SO NAIVE LIKE YOU.



@SamsonsRiddle

It's pretty amazing how athiests know more about the bible than "believers". However, I'm not one of them. Believe what you want, I'm done arguing with someone who already knows it all. I'll see you later; I'll be on the other side of the gulf - hope you know how to swim.

 

[shishkaboy]

The chicken came before the egg, too

I dont understand your point. Seems like it was meant to discredit hinduism and egyptology.
What I was asking was, does the bible begin with the creation of man or the creation of everything?
Since we can find texts written before the bible, what religion were those cultures practicing?

My argument is not whether the tales in the bible are true of not, I am trying to establish that the bible was an earthy construct.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

I dont understand your point. Seems like it was meant to discredit hinduism and egyptology.
What I was asking was, does the bible begin with the creation of man or the creation of everything?
Since we can find texts written before the bible, what religion were those cultures practicing?

My argument is not whether the tales in the bible are true of not, I am trying to establish that the bible was an earthy construct.

The Bible was written while most of it was for future generations. Even most of the prophets said they wrote it down and it was sealed until the time of the end. Meaning, they didn't even know what they were writing down and it would only be revealed during the time it was happening. Kind of like a lamp will light your way enough to see but doesn't light up the next few miles of the walk. You need to study the accuracy of the prophecies of the bible if you want to really know if it's true.
If you study the old testament, god used to talk to israel directly and through a mediator, hence no need for written word. He kind of freaked out the humans (to the point that they were afraid to look at the light of god for the fear of dieing), so he appointed a mediator. During the time of the mediator, things started being recorded. However, there are pieces from before the written part (ie. The coronation stone) in existence. But yeah, who cares what other people were worshipping?

 

[SweetHayz]

The Bible was written while most of it was for future generations. Even most of the prophets said they wrote it down and it was sealed until the time of the end. Meaning, they didn't even know what they were writing down and it would only be revealed during the time it was happening. Kind of like a lamp will light your way enough to see but doesn't light up the next few miles of the walk. You need to study the accuracy of the prophecies of the bible if you want to really know if it's true.
If you study the old testament, god used to talk to israel directly and through a mediator, hence no need for written word. He kind of freaked out the humans (to the point that they were afraid to look at the light of god for the fear of dieing), so he appointed a mediator. During the time of the mediator, things started being recorded. However, there are pieces from before the written part (ie. The coronation stone) in existence. But yeah, who cares what other people were worshipping?

Egyptian writings are by far one of the oldest writings found on the planet. Back to 3000 years bc.
But you should really check on Turdaș-Vinča dating back to 5700 years bc.

Meanwhile the oldest book of your bible has been written 600 years bc.

And yes its funny how a Atheist knows more about your religion, when I was a kid I have been studying the "god's words" with my mother.
I have the basic idea of everything in the bible from the beginning to the end.
Obviously I haven't put my time to memorize quotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_stone
It has nothing to do with biblical mythology. This stone say by its name it has been used for ceremonies of coronation.
P.S. There is multiple stones in Europe like these for various Kingdoms.
These stones have been created in the Middle Ages 900 years after Christ death.
I think you are very confused and having a strong imagination.

 

[SweetHayz]

I was 4 when I realized Santa wasn't real. That's when my grandpa came dressed claiming to be Santa. That was my first life lesson no to trust what people say. But yet I did not completely lost hope. I was probably 5 when I wrote a mail to Santa to bring me a skateboard instead I received a pack of colored pencils and I got very upset.

 

[SamsonsRiddle]

Egyptian writings are by far one of the oldest writings found on the planet. Back to 3000 years bc.
But you should really check on Turdaș-Vinča dating back to 5700 years bc.

Meanwhile the oldest book of your bible has been written 600 years bc.

And yes its funny how a Atheist knows more about your religion, when I was a kid I have been studying the "god's words" with my mother.
I have the basic idea of everything in the bible from the beginning to the end.
Obviously I haven't put my time to memorize quotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_stone
It has nothing to do with biblical mythology. This stone say by its name it has been used for ceremonies of coronation.
P.S. There is multiple stones in Europe like these for various Kingdoms.
These stones have been created in the Middle Ages 900 years after Christ death.
I think you are very confused and having a strong imagination.

WRONG -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone
https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/1368/the-key-of-david

 

[SweetHayz]

Legends place the origins of the Stone in Biblical times and consider the Stone to be the Stone of Jacob, taken by Jacob while in Haran.[5] (Genesis 28:10–22).

I would highlight the term used legends as a lack of evidence. Legends says that Zeus along with other gods lived on mountain Olympus. As well as Aphrodite's Baths legend said that she was taking a bath there. Of course all these Legendary locations are attraction to the tourists.

As far for reality.
1. One story concerns Fergus, son of Erc, the first King of the Scots in Scotland, whose transportation of the Stone from Ireland to Argyll, where he was crowned in it, was recorded.
You should be aware that Ireland also have coronation stone as well a part of the United Kingdoms. Their stone dates back to year ~1000 I highly doubt the Stone of Scone is any older.
2. Geologists proved that the Stone taken by Edward I of England to Westminster is a "lower Old Red Sandstone", which was quarried in the vicinity of Scone. Doubts over the authenticity of the Stone have existed for a long time: a blog post by retired Scottish academic and writer of historical fiction Marie MacPherson shows that they date back at least two hundred years.
It has been proven that the specific stone you are talking about is made of Old Red Sandstone.
3. The Old Red Sandstone is an assemblage of rocks in the North Atlantic region largely of Devonian age. It extends in the east across Britain, Ireland and Norway.
No need to comment on this one. I doubt Jacob has been nowhere near those regions to have access to the specific type of rock.

You clearly believe in every fairytale you read about your god almighty. You are so lost and so naive.
MYTH BUSTED