"Area 51 LED" Information and discussion

Greengenes707 said:
Your acting like they are the same base price. His margin is the same for either. Parts just cost more on the cxb version.
And the prices I gave you were for bulk discount.
As for the lights I use or a51, or any company you are going to complain about...HAVE YOU PRICED IT OUT YOURSELF???? And if so...lay it out for us
You just think you are somehow entitled to super cheap prices that are below that of components because it fits your budget. Guess what...the world doesn't revolve around you.

They are cheaper and better than his older models that you based your wanting of new models on.

Or sack up and DIY.
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I have priced out DIY lights , the color that area 51 uses for their lights is incorrect for flower as well, who wants to run 4k lights that's way to blue I wouldn't run past 3500k, 2700k or 3000k(hps is around 2200k) is best for getting that good stretch during flower to up yield.
 
Yodaweed said:
I have priced out DIY lights , the color that area 51 uses for their lights is incorrect for flower as well, who wants to run 4k lights that's way to blue I wouldn't run past 3500k, 2700k or 3000k(hps is around 2200k) is best for getting that good stretch during flower to up yield.
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4000K 80 CRI are stellar for flowering
 
Yodaweed said:
I have priced out DIY lights , the color that area 51 uses for their lights is incorrect for flower as well, who wants to run 4k lights that's way to blue I wouldn't run past 3500k.
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Sure...great logic. I'm sure it's well based in science and plant physiology.

So why is 4K bad? It has too much blue?...how much blue does it have?...who says that's too much? How much red does it have? is that enough?...enough for what? If you can answer these...where did you get your information. Why didn't you use it to start your argument/complaint instead of an opinionated statement. Do you have links or data to back up your statements.
 
puffenuff said:
Is it going to be possible to daisy chain the 3590s to Vero29s? Not sure how the difference in amps play together. Or would we need to plug the crees together and veros together?
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I believe you could mix and match since the drivers are in each unit as long as you don't go over a certain total load for each circuit?
 
Some people just like to complain. It could be jealousy. It could be he thinks he can bully me into lower than cost prices, or maybe it's his time of the month. Who knows?

I have over 2300 unique customers since I began, and very few complained, less than 1/10th of 1%, mostly due to not getting ridiculous discounts or free stuff. You'll see it yourself as your company progresses. Out of the new companies starting up this year, I think yours will make it. Your light is a hard light to beat. My approach is instead of competing directly with it, I'll offer something totally different.

1st customers asked for more efficiency, I did it. Then they asked for better prices, I did it. Then they asked for even more efficiency and even lower prices, I did it. People wanted COBs, I did that too. But I'm the greedy bad guy.

You're almost spot on with that $95 not including shipping costs.
Greengenes707 said:
Your acting like they are the same base price. His margin is the same for either. Parts just cost more on the cxb version.
And the prices I gave you were for bulk discount.
As for the lights I use or a51, or any company you are going to complain about...HAVE YOU PRICED IT OUT YOURSELF???? And if so...lay it out for us
You just think you are somehow entitled to super cheap prices that are below that of components because it fits your budget. Guess what...the world doesn't revolve around you.

They are cheaper and better than his older models that you based your wanting of new models on.

Or sack up and DIY.
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You can connect them to each other. I have a 6" Vortex fan plugged into the back of one of the W90s right now.
puffenuff said:
Is it going to be possible to daisy chain the 3590s to Vero29s? Not sure how the difference in amps play together. Or would we need to plug the crees together and veros together?
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I personally like the modular idea. Can make configurations for different needs be it square or rectangular.
Only thing is let's see if these cob's can really outdo the previous A51's or Apache's in yield :hump:
 
Yodaweed said:
Yep when someone has something critical to say this is what this pussy does. Shows how good Area 51 customer service is. I had already bought something else cause your over priced lights took way past the date you told everyone they would be released... wasn't it april? Yeah and looking at your website they still not released good thing I got an extra 600w hps or my summer grow would have sucked.
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I'm sorry, but no body is going to work for free. I don't know how many lights you've assembled, but it can take some time to get a small light like this assembled. There are lots of electrical connections that need to be made and somebody has to be paid to do it. You only look at the price of the cob and housing. Have you ever considered labor and tooling? Would you assemble lights for 8+ hours a day for minimum wage?

These lights are for people who can't/won't assemble it yourself. Yeah sure you can buy all the parts and assemble one yourself. However take the time and actually log how long it would take you and multiply that by your hourly rate you earn at work. You'll quickly see there is a huge difference between DIY and commercial production.

As far as the delays go, again a HUGE difference between DIY and commercial production. You don't just slap shit together and ship it out. That's how recalls end up happening.

Greengenes707 said:
Sure...great logic. I'm sure it's well based in science and plant physiology.

So why is 4K bad? It has too much blue?...how much blue does it have?...who says that's too much? How much red does it have? is that enough?...enough for what? If you can answer these...where did you get your information. Why didn't you use it to start your argument/complaint instead of an opinionated statement. Do you have links or data to back up your statements.
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Also, everything in this post^

I've had wonderful results under 4000k 1.2 vero's.
 
Greengenes707 said:
Sure...great logic. I'm sure it's well based in science and plant physiology.

So why is 4K bad? It has too much blue?...how much blue does it have?...who says that's too much? How much red does it have? is that enough?...enough for what? If you can answer these...where did you get your information. Why didn't you use it to start your argument/complaint instead of an opinionated statement. Do you have links or data to back up your statements.
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My information comes from growing with various types of lights and I prefer a light which has more red in it. That's why I liked the red white spectrums and also like using a HPS to grow seems like if you can get a decent stretch during flower you can really improve yield. Heck I know people that veg with HPS to increase stretch. The more blue the more leaf you have to trim. 4000k might be a great light for veg, but I have a better one its called a Metal Halide. They needed to have a flowering only light and a veg light if they want to put that much blue in their lights. Offer a 2700k or 3000k spectrum for people who hate trimming and want big huge buds with minimal leaf and can provide their own veg light or just veg with that and let it stretch.

Vero 29 spectrum analysis, 3 different spectrums
SOURCE: www.opticgrowlights.com
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bicit said:
I'm sorry, but no body is going to work for free. I don't know how many lights you've assembled, but it can take some time to get a small light like this assembled. There are lots of electrical connections that need to be made and somebody has to be paid to do it. You only look at the price of the cob and housing. Have you ever considered labor and tooling? Would you assemble lights for 8+ hours a day for minimum wage?

These lights are for people who can't/won't assemble it yourself. Yeah sure you can buy all the parts and assemble one yourself. However take the time and actually log how long it would take you and multiply that by your hourly rate you earn at work. You'll quickly see there is a huge difference between DIY and commercial production.

As far as the delays go, again a HUGE difference between DIY and commercial production. You don't just slap shit together and ship it out. That's how recalls end up happening.



Also, everything in this post^

I've had wonderful results under 4000k 1.2 vero's.
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If these fixture cost around 100$ to make but take under an hour to assemble (a few solderings, screwings, and perhaps a little drilling/tapping), then they're getting paid like engineers. I believe that's what's upsetting Yoda, is that he somehow understands A51 is making decent profit, which is what they're suppose to be doing, all the while undercutting competitors prices and offering something different.
 
captainmorgan said:
Only point I was making is that the A51 light is more flexible,you can connect them together or hang them separate so they can be adjusted to a uneven canopy,say with different strains or to even out the light over your space,. I can guarantee there is a problem with even coverage on the more powerful Optic units,this is common among manufacturers,especially with lenses.
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Based on this thought, does anyone one have any idea if it would be a bad thing for the canopy coverage to mix the new lights in with lights like the SGS's , XGS's, RW's, Apaches, G8's Kessils etc?
 
Yodaweed said:
My information comes from growing with various types of lights and I prefer a light which has more red in it. That's why I liked the red white spectrums and also like using a HPS to grow seems like if you can get a decent stretch during flower you can really improve yield. Heck I know people that veg with HPS to increase stretch. The more blue the more leaf you have to trim. 4000k might be a great light for veg, but I have a better one its called a Metal Halide. They needed to have a flowering only light and a veg light if they want to put that much blue in their lights. Offer a 2700k or 3000k spectrum for people who hate trimming and want big huge buds with minimal leaf and can provide their own veg light or just veg with that and let it stretch.

Vero 29 spectrum analysis, 3 different spectrums
SOURCE: www.opticgrowlights.com
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Maybe your experience is biased by your strain selection?

My first grow with vero 29 4k yielded a very heavy and well structured Cali Mist. Plant size was very well matched to the penetration capacity of the vero 29s @2.1mA.
 
I see everyone is sharing the love,this used to be a lot friendlier forum. Put some people behind a keyboard and they just blow a fuse. I was in a great mood last night before Aquaium Pants started in.
 
a mongo frog said:
So he ruined your whole night?
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Nope just brought me down a notch so I decided to see who I was arguing with. He's a kid with some peach fuzz on his face and probably weighs 130 lbs soaking wet,I wonder if his mom knows he plays with electricity. He probably got picked on as a little kid,so he acts like a hard ass when he's on the Internet.
 
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captainmorgan said:
Nope just brought me down a notch so I decided to see who I was arguing with. He's a kid with some peach fuzz on his face and probably weighs 130 lbs soaking wet,I wonder if his mom knows he plays with electricity. He probably got picked on as a little kid,so he acts like a hard ass when he's on the Internet.
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Correction, you brought yourself down by allowing your fanboy problems get the best of you by attacking my A51 related comments and not expecting me to call you out on your authoritative issues over this thread.
 
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