Kens GDP Changed to Dungeon Vault Genetics

Beemo

Beemo

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i just looked at tude description on black cherry og.
tude black cherry???
Black Cherry OG marijuana strain a combination of unknown GDP cross and Kens OG. Black Cherry OG cannabis seeds are suitable both for indoor and out and take 9 to 10 weeks of flowering. The plant will have black leaves, purple buds and show extreme trichome production.
thats new to me.

this is the black cherry og i know.
Ngr had them
Black Cherry OG Regular Marijuana Seeds by Grand Daddy Purple Seeds: The Black Cherry cut, as GDP call it, came to them as a "GSC" clone and was found to be something else. What she did offer was worth keeping and working with. The plant had black leaves, purple buds and extreme trichome production. Grand Daddy Genetics added Kens OG to bring out more funk.
i believe that strain was there before dvg got there, like candyland and phantom cookies.

i would think sourpatch would get his stuff direct from dvg since they're us. thats what keeps throwing me off. sour patch sent you same pics.
 
Bean Busy

Bean Busy

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Beemo said:
sour patch sent you a photo? thats cool if they did :)
but they dont have black cherry og listed.

if you got it at the tude. im pretty sure its kens.
thats my guess.

im sure dvg will clear it up
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Sorry Beemo I ment seedsman.com I asked sour patch about the new gdp packaging its exactly the same as dvg packaging except the piece of card with the brand on it is different. They sent me a photo of the dvg packaging
 
Bean Busy

Bean Busy

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But the black cherry og packaging is still a guess to who's it is. Coz its not branded. Wasn't DV the breeder at GDP. And now's he's broke off to do his own thing. That's why I'm seeing if he's got the inside scoop on them if there his or Kens rightfully. coz it's near impossible to get a hold of Ken.
 
Beemo

Beemo

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Bean Busy said:
Sorry Beemo I ment seedsman.com I asked sour patch about the new gdp packaging its exactly the same as dvg packaging except the piece of card with the brand on it is different. They sent me a photo of the dvg packaging
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yeah, if tude and beedsman sent you same photo. then its more than likely its kens. they get it from the same place.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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Hey abe you keep missing the point that is was not GDP stock that got rebranded it was DVGs stock that Ken took and branded as his after he wasn't paid for it he took what was left and put it under his own label.

The crosses that DVG made are Black Cherry OG, Coogies, Candyland V2, Confidential Purp, Flower Child, Grandpa Larry, Kendawg, Kens Grand OG, Phantom Kush, Purple Champagne, The Funk
 
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Dungeons_Vault

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akhiymjames said:
Can you show some pics of the Grand OG? I got a pack of those and would love to see some of it.
Didn't the Candyland have a different mom? Wasn't it the Bay Platinum Cookies?
Candyland is a becoming a nice clone only since you cant get it anymore. I'm glad I got a buddy who I can get a cut from. He knows who he is :)
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Ill post some soon as I can find them all.
taGyo said:
Any other pics? Been hesitating to buy this strain.
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Why you hesitating? HAHA, it's a nice one man. You will get that stickjy chemmy dankness, and then theres a sweetness that adds just the right amount of "purp" Ill post some more, let me look

st0wandgrow said:
That's a beautiful bud right there!

Can you share a little more info about this one? Smell, taste, flower time, etc...?
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9-10 weeks, mostly 10 weekers. Smell is gonna range from chem/OG dank, to a mix of both chem/gdp, then there will be more of a creamy/sweet dank that is pronounced from the start.
Plants are bushy and get huge. We tested them outdoors in greenhouses last year and indoor, and they are beautiful.
 
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Dungeons_Vault

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Bean Busy said:
Nice pictures Dungeons_Vault

Do you have any information or pictures of black cherry og. I bought a pack off the tude. It was from GDP but it wasn't branded or packaged in GDP type packaging. It's just a plain jewelry bag with one of those round disc seed cases and label.
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Black Cherry OG was one of my creations. I grew out the mom which was labeled as GSC from the jump. I found out it wasnt as I had forum and animal at the same time. SO, this plant was sort of a mystery at that point. It had black leaves, crazy amounts of trichome coverage, and just bag appeal off the chart. It was lacking a smell that I personally found appealing. So, I hit it with my tahoe/gdp male and thats what created black cherry OG.
abe supercro said:
Yes, I believe ALL breeders practices should be questioned. stands to reason that Ken is at least 6 months, or further, behind due to now obvious circumstances, that is if he locates a new breeder to-help and parent plant material isn't -somehow- lost (?)
Regardless, I already mentioned to nw- gdp rep that i'd adjust my tone so relax.
Does anyone have a link to the page or know precisely which of Kens gdp Co. seed stock was "re-branded"?
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Ken isn't behind in anything...
I made my seeds, released them 4/20/14, and then in July 2014 K** decided to make his own line. Problem is, he did all the breeding outdoors. I have a video of the backyard with plants everywhere. His kids walked around with paintbrushes and just spread pollen wherever. There was a "Kens Kush" "Candyland" and "GDP" male all in the backyard just hanging out, blowing in the wind. I warned him that there would be cross pollination and that there no way of guaranteeing a legitimate F1 cross of two parents. He released them anyway.

I want to point out something to you also... When I said I "took the remaining stock" and "rebranded"
That was after finding out he screwed me for sure, and after finding out they did the emerald cup behind my back and were selling my seeds there. I kept the remaining packs of MY WORK, that would pay for all my expenses it cost to run a grow room and not produce any herb for 5 months.

I appreciate the fact that we can have a gentlemens conversation now, but do me a favor and refer to me as DVG, or spell it out... DO NOT call me nw gdp rep anymore. Your'e doing that on purpose. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop.

Here's the list of what I made while working there:
Black Cherry OG
Grandpa Larry
The Funk
Grand OG
Kendawg
Flowerchild
CoOGies
Candyland V2
Purple Champagne
Phantom Kush
Confidential Purp
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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Ok DVG. Everyone has their own breaking point and I can't really conclude anything from your decision since I wasn't there. This whole time I was thinking that you and Ken had collaborated. Just now I'm learning that all these new strains were solely your idea. I knew you grew them, but you're saying they're all your invention. Sure if someone purchases seeds and puts the work in they're the chuckers product. I had just figured that since you were under some type of agreement/understanding w Ken, that he had provided special parent plant material and that the newly developed strains were the intellectual property of Kens gdp co. Perhaps that assumption is wrong, or him not paying negated the agreement, in your eyes.

Did Ken provide any mothers, genetics or input on new strains? Anyways it sure seems shortsighted for Ken to start selling new inventory without compensating you and risk all the future beans, and reputation, for his company. Maybe it's nearly water under the bridge now. Still- I'd stop dragging him through the mud, even if he wronged you it still doesn't look good for your new enterprise. I do think, even though, you put in massive effort, you have still benefitted from years of his-branding and publicity. Plus the hoard of seeds you used to launch your company with were geared towards, and around, kens company name. It all seems less black and white to me than you'd like, more grey really, but I appreciate you taking the time to be open and to break down the custody of the genetics because it was rather confusing.

The 'kendawg' name seems like a passive aggressive jab, a bit too in-his-face for my tastes. Haven't you already gone far enough on his name really? It's like an ode to the past and the break-up. You must gain your own notoriety and stop bashing him. cheers all
 
Bean Busy

Bean Busy

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Thanks Dungeons_Vault for the info. Sounds like its going to be awesome with parentage like that. Tahoe/GDP male and a mom with just the right amount of mystery to her while still sounding incredible. It's gonna be some dank fire.
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PKHydro

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Hey DVG, thanks for sticking around and being so straightforward about things. I've read through this thread since it started and just can't remember if you've eplained your current grow setup?

I'd be interested to know what style of grow your running, and if you know how your strains tend to fair when grown into big trees in a vert bulb setup. Or do they do better in a SOG or Scrog etc?
 
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Dungeons_Vault

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abe supercro said:
I had just figured that since you were under some type of agreement/understanding w Ken, that he had provided special parent plant material and that the newly developed strains were the intellectual property of Kens gdp co. Perhaps that assumption is wrong, or him not paying negated the agreement, in your eyes.

Did Ken provide any mothers, genetics or input on new strains? Anyways it sure seems shortsighted for Ken to start selling new inventory without compensating you and risk all the future beans, and reputation, for his company. Maybe it's nearly water under the bridge now. Still- I'd stop dragging him through the mud, even if he wronged you it still doesn't look good for your new enterprise. I do think, even though, you put in massive effort, you have still benefitted from years of his-branding and publicity. Plus the hoard of seeds you used to launch your company with were geared towards, and around, kens company name. It all seems less black and white to me than you'd like, more grey really, but I appreciate you taking the time to be open and to break down the custody of the genetics because it was rather confusing.

The 'kendawg' name seems like a passive aggressive jab, a bit too in-his-face for my tastes. Haven't you already gone far enough on his name really? It's like an ode to the past and the break-up. You must gain your own notoriety and stop bashing him. cheers all
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The only agreement we had was I would make the strains in Washington state, and we would be 50/50 partners. At the time of release on 4/20 all the way til December, HE was compensated and given half the sales. I even flew him up on my dime, and paid for his taxi to the event and his hotel. Why was I paying for all his shit? You think Subcool, or any breeder/owner of a company has their helpers pay their way?? I doubt it.
Ken provided ZERO PLANTS, absolutely nothing to my grow, or the breeding project whatsoever. I popped the seeds to find the males I used. I sourced and kept the mothers used in these crosses and they were plants Ken had never used in any of his previous work. I came on cause he knew my skills. He knew how passionate about this plant I was and my knowledge showed him I was capable of selecting and making great strains. I would have to agree that by working with Ken it definitely helped give me credibility and helped me drive sales. I wont deny that.
The "Kendawg" name was dubbed before I left. It was a creative play on words and Ken was all about it obviously. I stated in a previous post that the only reason i kept the name was to not confuse people any more. If "Kendawg" suddenly became another name it would just make for more head scratching. I wont be continuing the line though. If I choose to keep that strain alive, I will make sure its known that the name is changing
 
Beemo

Beemo

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@abe do you have something against DVG? doing alot of chatting and no buying.
it seems like your asking him the same questions over and over again in a different manner. and must of those questions were asked by other people.
he already said, what he created twice, maybe 3times. and he already explained why ken fucked him multiple times
and he already explained why, he still uses ken's name on some of his packs....
just feels like your waiting to say- AH-HA. your a thief and a liar

Dungeons_Vault said:
but do me a favor and refer to me as DVG, or spell it out... DO NOT call me nw gdp rep anymore. Your'e doing that on purpose.
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LOL...
i think he works for high times mag with these 101 "SERIOUS" questions.

@DVG thanks for the info on black cherry. gsc and animal in it. sounds even better. too bad they're not available.
 
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Dungeons_Vault

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PKHydro said:
Hey DVG, thanks for sticking around and being so straightforward about things. I've read through this thread since it started and just can't remember if you've eplained your current grow setup?

I'd be interested to know what style of grow your running, and if you know how your strains tend to fair when grown into big trees in a vert bulb setup. Or do they do better in a SOG or Scrog etc?
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I used to grow as big of a plant as I could fit into a 3 gallon fabric pot. I had 4-5 footers usually in a 3 gal of coco. Botanicare nutes for years now, but am now sponsored by Mills Nutrients (mills pays the bills)
I run a 10k grow on tables. Mostly coco, but pro mix was abundant at my house so ended up with a decent amount of that.
 
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