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1 36,000 BTU Mini Split VS. Two 22,000 BTU Mini Split

patrickkawi37

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Room temps about 80-82
RH 65-80%
CO² natural
Water temps 63-68
EC 1.4-2.0
PH 6.0-6.5
Lamps, 4 x 860W CDM plus one HPS thouie (helps explain high room temps and EC, as the light output from CDM is dramatically different from HPS)

Per plant yield; most recent crop 19 zips per plant average. This is the best yet of an ongoing upward trend.

I spray weekly with a foliar nutrient (processed kelp), Safer Soap and depending on the stage, milk, Green Cure and/or potassium silicate to raise leaf pH.
If I ran 65-80 rh in my room I would end up with about 25 pounds of budrot come harvest time. Maybe you like high temps because of the cdm..I'm not as interested in per plant yield as I am per lamp or per watt yield . Can you share that as well?
 

ttystikk

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If I ran 65-80 rh in my room I would end up with about 25 pounds of budrot come harvest time. Maybe you like high temps because of the cdm..I'm not as interested in per plant yield as I am per lamp or per watt yield . Can you share that as well?
Plenty of good air circulation is key. I'm not breaking the rules, I'm following them (VPD).

HPS puts out much more infrared than CDM, so the short answer is yes. There's much more down this rabbit hole however, I'm reading up on it myself.

9 with 5kW is my latest. Mind, that's not a small box where I can perfectly manicure everything, so I think I'm comin' along pretty well. No CO² supplementation, just fresh air exchange.
 

patrickkawi37

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Plenty of good air circulation is key. I'm not breaking the rules, I'm following them (VPD).

HPS puts out much more infrared than CDM, so the short answer is yes. There's much more down this rabbit hole however, I'm reading up on it myself.

9 with 5kW is my latest. Mind, that's not a small box where I can perfectly manicure everything, so I think I'm comin' along pretty well. No CO² supplementation, just fresh air exchange.
I can pull more than that with 4k watts and 78 degree . I'm getting close to 25 off 9kw. Lower your temps and watch your quality and bag appeal go up
 

patrickkawi37

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With what light source? I'm simply having trouble believing your numbers.
6 raptors 1 adjusta wing 1 gavita and 1 nanolux DE . You can have all the trouble you want believing it. A third of the room is OG too. So it would be a better pull if I wasn't growing them. I am still behind the game . I didn't believe it til I saw with my own eyes.. But I saw an 80 pound pull from 25 gavitas a couple weeks. We are turning a new corner in growing . Imagine how bad everyone is going to get left behind when crews are pulling 3+ on the average . I have never hit 3 as an average.. I believe this batch will be my closest pull.
 

patrickkawi37

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With what light source? I'm simply having trouble believing your numbers.
It takes me 45 mins longer to water this round then the last ... Because it is so much hell crawling between plants and tomato cages underneath the canopy. If your run is so full that you consider throwing plants away and can't see through the canopy jn any spot... You will know your going to hit a home run
 

ttystikk

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It takes me 45 mins longer to water this round then the last ... Because it is so much hell crawling between plants and tomato cages underneath the canopy. If your run is so full that you consider throwing plants away and can't see through the canopy jn any spot... You will know your going to hit a home run
That's a recipe for overcrowding and rot.

Sounds like you're having some good runs and I have a bit more catching up to do.
 

patrickkawi37

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That's a recipe for overcrowding and rot.

Sounds like you're having some good runs and I have a bit more catching up to do.
You hit that on the money with the rot. My biggest issues in growing are humidity during lights off and budrot. I have like 17 fans in there and the humidity just starts to creep into the mid 50s during lights off. I get bud rot almost every run. Not to where I am throwing tons of shit away.. But I definitely lose a couple ounces to it each run. I can't seem to keep the humidity in check because the room is so rainforest out. I'm feeding 150 gallons every 48 hours.
 

Aeroknow

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You hit that on the money with the rot. My biggest issues in growing are humidity during lights off and budrot. I have like 17 fans in there and the humidity just starts to creep into the mid 50s during lights off. I get bud rot almost every run. Not to where I am throwing tons of shit away.. But I definitely lose a couple ounces to it each run. I can't seem to keep the humidity in check because the room is so rainforest out. I'm feeding 150 gallons every 48 hours.
That sucks dude.
It sounds to me like your room/rooms are filled with plant mass from wall to wall.
I personally don't like doing that. I utilize rows. I'm usually up on trays whether it's in pots of dirt, coco, soil, or more of a hydro setup. I need space in between trays. I don't think my back could handle doing what you do bro. I'm getting old, and I've been doing this shit for waaaay too long.
But I also know you gotta do what you gotta do. :-)
Back in the days, I've had rooms that would get up there in humidity. It was time to pull down the crop when budrot started setting in. Always pissed me off.
 

patrickkawi37

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That sucks dude.
It sounds to me like your room/rooms are filled with plant mass from wall to wall.
I personally don't like doing that. I utilize rows. I'm usually up on trays whether it's in pots of dirt, coco, soil, or more of a hydro setup. I need space in between trays. I don't think my back could handle doing what you do bro. I'm getting old, and I've been doing this shit for waaaay too long.
But I also know you gotta do what you gotta do. :-)
Back in the days, I've had rooms that would get up there in humidity. It was time to pull down the crop when budrot started setting in. Always pissed me off.
Yes sir. I am not the best grower so the only way for me to hit the home run numbers is to pack wall to wall. Fill my walk ways with plants and crawl around like a yoga instructor. Eventually I would like to do trays and walk ways . My newest room has trays but I will probably end up filling those walkways with plants as well.
Weird. I run my RH in the 70s day and night, haven't seen a sign of budrot in years.
you are lucky . Must be the strain
 

ttystikk

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Yes sir. I am not the best grower so the only way for me to hit the home run numbers is to pack wall to wall. Fill my walk ways with plants and crawl around like a yoga instructor. Eventually I would like to do trays and walk ways . My newest room has trays but I will probably end up filling those walkways with plants as well.
you are lucky . Must be the strain
Lots of strains. Not luck, diligence.
 

patrickkawi37

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Lots of strains. Not luck, diligence.
IAre you saying that I am doing something wrong? If you have been growing in 70-80% humidity without pm or budrot .. It has nothing to do with skills. I would be having a panic attack and wouldn't be able to sleep if my room had to put up with such dogshit conditions . I imagine your room and colas are small, or you haven't been growing a long time . In no way is 70-80 percent humidity an optimal growing condition. My ogs look horrible if the humidity gets over 65. So diligence is not the word your looking for. Ignorance may be.
 
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