Scarlet for those accused of rape on campus

skunkd0c said:
This has got to be the biggest meltdown buck has had this week LOL
those guys at the poker forum have been bullying him again no doubt

Edit, i counted 22 consecutive posts from buck, is this a forum record ?
is it even allowed?,
does he win a prize ?
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The ignore button is your friend.
 
NewtoMJ said:
No I'm not wrong. In every set of guidelines I've read for a college's judiciary hearing, if the misconduct is criminal it is reported to the authorities. Your own article even states the rarity of a university not giving a fair hearing.
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The point is, colleges should turn criminal matters over to the police and let the criminal justice system decide. Colleges should not conduct criminal trials.
 
desert dude said:
The point is, colleges should turn criminal matters over to the police and let the criminal justice system decide. Colleges should not conduct criminal trials.
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But these aren't criminal trials, they hold no standing on your criminal record. They are deciding what should be done if their code of conduct is violated.
 
angryoli said:
Rapists are often serial predators who victimize over and over, and generally speaking, I'm in favor of giving them a permanent boot to the ass. Having said that, when's the last time government involvement in something actually made it better? So say this bill becomes law, what will putting a note in their file do to stop them from raping again? Zero. This is just another instance of some jackass blowing smoke up the electorate's ass by pretending to do something while actually accomplishing nothing, and increasing legislative fuckery by as much as they can.
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fuckery, eh?

:lol:
 
UncleBuck said:
probably because blacks encounter whites at 19 times the rate that whites encounter blacks.

his quote did come from a guy who claimed that america was better off under racial segregation though.

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.
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Much more likely because in order to become statistics, they need to be reported and the authorities must then file the report somewhere.
 
NewtoMJ said:
But these aren't criminal trials, they hold no standing on your criminal record. They are deciding what should be done if their code of conduct is violated.
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Is rape a crime or is it a violation of a code of conduct?

Can somebody tell me why we need a paralegal sexual assault investigatory panel staffed and run by the college? This is probably the only time that I will find myself in agreement with DD. Criminal matters need to be turned over to the police -- for example, the catholic church is dealing with repercussions from their failure to report sex crimes. Nobody other than the police have the resources or training to handle the matter. The idea of an opaque investigatory committee staffed by college officials seems fraught with the possibility of error in both directions. The police can still bungle the investigation but at least there will be only one system to deal with.

I still see nothing wrong with a convicted rapist being tracked as a part of normal procedures even after they've served their sentence as long as the conviction is made in a court of law.
 
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Fogdog said:
Is rape a crime or is it a violation of a code of conduct?

Can somebody tell me why we need a paralegal sexual assault investigatory panel staffed and run by the college? This is probably the only time that I will find myself in agreement with DD. Criminal matters need to be turned over to the police -- for example, the catholic church is dealing with repercussions from their failure to report sex crimes. Nobody other than the police have the resources or training to handle the matter. The idea of an opaque investigatory committee staffed by college officials seems fraught with the possibility of error in both directions. The police can still bungle the investigation but at least there will be only one system to deal with.

I still see nothing wrong with a convicted rapist being tracked as a part of normal procedures even after they've served their sentence as long as the conviction is made in a court of law.
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Exactly. Let the campus adjudicate cheating and plagiarism. Leave murder, rape and arson to the criminal justice system.
 
Fogdog said:
Is rape a crime or is it a violation of a code of conduct?

Can somebody tell me why we need a paralegal sexual assault investigatory panel staffed and run by the college? This is probably the only time that I will find myself in agreement with DD. Criminal matters need to be turned over to the police -- for example, the catholic church is dealing with repercussions from their failure to report sex crimes. Nobody other than the police have the resources or training to handle the matter. The idea of an opaque investigatory committee staffed by college officials seems fraught with the possibility of error in both directions. The police can still bungle the investigation but at least there will be only one system to deal with.

I still see nothing wrong with a convicted rapist being tracked as a part of normal procedures even after they've served their sentence as long as the conviction is made in a court of law.
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The colleges need the rapes to stop being such a massive problem. If the law can't do anything about it, how will the colleges stay in business? The colleges are protecting themselves by trying to keep their (rape victim) students from dropping out as a result of having to go to class with their unpunished rapists. I agree that it should be left to courts to handle legal repercussions but also keep in mind that the colleges are not handing out legal measures, they're protecting rape victims who have largely been ignored by the legal system.
 
desert dude said:
The point is, colleges should turn criminal matters over to the police and let the criminal justice system decide. Colleges should not conduct criminal trials.
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Colleges have a responsibility to their staff and students.
Seriously have you been falsely accused of rape ? Has this happened more than once ? Is this the reason you feel the way you do.
 
abandonconflict said:
The colleges need the rapes to stop being such a massive problem...the law can't do anything about it, ... they're protecting rape victims who have largely been ignored by the legal system.
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Therein lies the scandal, the system isn't protecting victims of sexual assault. I understand what you said in your post -- this is a response because the police have not done what is expected of them. This seems wrong headed to me though.

The movement towards mandatory rape prevention class in the first term for freshmen is a good one. But its not a satisfactory answer.

desert dude said:
Exactly. Let the campus adjudicate cheating and plagiarism. Leave murder, rape and arson to the criminal justice system.
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I agree in principle. The problem with what you are saying is that the system that has swept this problem under the rug must change. OK, I agree, but how long do we have to wait before your solution takes effect? What is the correct response in the meantime?
 
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londonfog said:
Colleges have a responsibility to their staff and students.
Seriously have you been falsely accused of rape ? Has this happened more than once ? Is this the reason you feel the way you do.
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I do know somebody that was falsely accused of rape and it was very ugly for him. This happened within the court system and wasn't a college case but the DA took the woman's word and went after my friend. His word was disregarded. Procedures need to be in place to prevent this from happening too. In my friend's case, happened all too easily.
 
Fogdog said:
I do know somebody that was falsely accused of rape and it was very ugly for him. This happened within the court system and wasn't a college case but the DA took the woman's word and went after my friend. His word was disregarded. Procedures need to be in place to prevent this from happening too. In my friend's case, happened all too easily.
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so what happened with the case ? Why did she do this to him ? Were you there ?
 
londonfog said:
so what happened with the case ? Why did she do this to him ? Were you there ?
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Do you really want me to go into the details? She was angry at him was all the reason she needed. Would you take my word for it if I just told you that she made the mistake of confiding to a third party that she fabricated the story to the police and that my friend was almost immediately released when she recanted her story after the police the played back the recording of her telling this to the third party?

I'm not saying this because I reflexively doubt the word of rape victims, I don't. I'm just saying that false accusations happen. Its complicated. Which is why I'm uncomfortable with the idea of an opaque sexual assault investigation committee in every college. But I don't have the answer either.
 
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Fogdog said:
Do you really want me to go into the details? She was angry at him was all the reason she needed. Would you take my word for it if I just told you that she made the mistake of confiding to a third party that she fabricated the story to the police and that my friend was almost immediately released when she recanted her story after the police the played back the recording of her telling this to the third party?

I'm not saying this because I reflexively doubt the word of rape victims, I don't. I'm just saying that false accusations happen. Its complicated. Which is why I'm uncomfortable with the idea of an opaque sexual assault investigation committee in every college. But I don't have the answer either.
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yeah I kind of like details. Gives a better picture of the situation.
Would not a third party be hearsay ? What evidence did they have to arrest him besides her word. Was she bruised up ? Was she arrested for filing a false report. Did your friend pursue her arrest ? Would you say this happens more than a woman being actually raped ?
 
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Google Gary Dotson. I dated his sister. Gary did a long time in prison, more than a decade, for a false rape charge. His accuser got religion about a decade after sending Gary to prison and recanted her false story. It still took quite a while to get Gary out of prison.

Rape is a terrible, violent crime. So is sending an innocent man to prison.
 
desert dude said:
Google Gary Dotson. I dated his sister. Gary did a long time in prison, more than a decade, for a false rape charge. His accuser got religion about a decade after sending Gary to prison and recanted her false story. It still took quite a while to get Gary out of prison.

Rape is a terrible, violent crime. So is sending an innocent man to prison.
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sounds like he had a really shitty lawyer.
Which sister did you date ?
 
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