Whats eating at my plant?

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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direwolf71 said:
Absolutely neem oil can be taken in by the roots, safely when used as directed. I spray the shit out of mine from the soil to the tops, good stuff.
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it can be taken in but sure as hell isn't a systemic approach to combat mites.
Just try it if you don't believe me.
not making shit up
 
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pseudobotanist

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greasemonkeymann said:
don't care what any research says whatsoever.
If you soak you soil with neem oil, it won't do shit to combat mites or aphids on your plant.
try and then tell us how it works for you.
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Ok I can see that you are a selective reader. First you say neem isn't systemic, then I provide some proof that it in fact is.

Then you quote another member that agrees with what I linked, saying sure neem can be absorbed thru the roots i.e systemic. Contradicting yourself there

And correct me if I am wrong, you yourself said the damage to the plants was in fact not spider mites since you and them go "waaaaaay back".

However, after some research I come to the conclusion that you are right. If neem oil is used systemically it will not be able to combat mites nor aphids since they feed on the phloem and neem accumulates in the deeper tissues of the plant. But I never mentioned anything about mites nor aphids in any of my posts.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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pseudobotanist said:
Ok I can see that you are a selective reader. First you say neem isn't systematic, then I provide some proof that it in fact is.

Then you quote another member that agrees with what I linked, saying sure neem can be absorbed thru the roots i.e systematic. Contradicting yourself there

And correct me if I am wrong, you yourself said the damage to the plants was in fact not spider mites since you and them go "waaaaaay back".

However, after some research I come to the conclusion that you are right. If neem oil is used systematically it will not be able to combat mites nor aphids since they feed on the phloem and neem accumulates in the deeper tissues of the plant. But I never mentioned anything about mites nor aphids in any of my posts.

with all that said I am to believe that systematic use of neem oil can combat against caterpillars, grasshoppers, or even the insect that you posted on the previous page.
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no, I said it's ABSORBED/taken in/consumed/ through the roots, I can take a shit in my water and the plant will ABSORB it through the roots, doesn't mean it's a systemic approach to combatting bugs.
Go ahead, do whatever you feel will help, and when those leafhoppers come back in LESS than a week, come talk then.
I'm not saying anything based on conjecture.
It W I L L not work.
DO it if you want.
I don't mean any disrespect, but coming at me aggressively is only going to make yourself look immature.
I am not selective, I just know what the fuck i'm saying.
Soak your entire container in neem and see if it does jack-shit.
I can put dr.pepper in my water ad the plant will take it in, roundup, you name it.
Plants take ANYTHING in that way.
this argument reminds me of one I had a while ago, regarding using ladybugs for mite control.
his argument was ladybugs eat mites, my argument was you could release 17 billion ladybugs and all they do is go kill themselves in the light or fly away. They like aphids.
Same with this argument, YES neem oil is absorbed through the roots to a degree, BUT it does shit to repel bugs, I guarantee it man,
I LOVE neem (especially neem meal), but it works better as a IPM, as opposed to combat any bugs you have already, besides leafhoppers are transient, they eat, and then go on their merry ways, that 1/4 inch area isn't gonna stunt your plant, it doesn't even slow down..
I apologize for coming off as aggressive, but i'm just tryin to give him the correct advice, and in my opinion that damage is NOT going to stop if you do a neem oil drench.
Ask anyone here, i'm as nice as a kitten, but don't come at me...
Period.
 
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pseudobotanist

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I'm not meaning any disrespect I've used civil language with you and havnt used any foul language towards you

Systemic means being absorbed And transported throughout the plants tissues. So if I apply something to the roots and its ABSORBED Isn't it considered systemic.

There's more than one way to get a plant to absorb something besides the roots.

But my whole point being is that neem can be used systemically, now the effectiveness of that approach is another story in question
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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pseudobotanist said:
I'm not meaning any disrespect I've used civil language with you and havnt used any foul language towards you

Systemic means being absorbed And transported throughout the plants tissues. So if I apply something to the roots and its ABSORBED Isn't it considered systemic.

There's more than one way to get a plant to absorb something besides the roots.

But my whole point being is that neem can be used systemically, now the effectiveness of that approach is another story in question
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alright.
Then we agree.

pseudobotanist said:
Ok I can see that you are a selective reader. First you say neem isn't systemic, then I provide some proof that it in fact is.

Then you quote another member that agrees with what I linked, saying sure neem can be absorbed thru the roots i.e systemic. Contradicting yourself there

And correct me if I am wrong, you yourself said the damage to the plants was in fact not spider mites since you and them go "waaaaaay back".

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I took that as disrespect, and I apologize if you meant it otherwise.
but it does "sound" a lil disrespectful....
 
Diabolical666

Diabolical666

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Neem does help for bugs...i got rid of some fliers and who knows what else in my grow patch. Will they return..hell yeah..so much weeds on these 15 acres..outdoors all that. Trying to create a barrier/shield when there are fuckton of bugs is a better approach to successful gardening..
what is it like 6million bugs for every human? Ive had every devastating bug that hits cannabis normally...I just wont bat an eye at some shit crawling all over my plant. Ive seen these little red spiders on my property hanging out on some certain flowers and cacti...I'm pretty certain they can adapt a taste for whatever plant they want. Go get some cheapy pesticide from Walmart, or get some neem. I have 7 different pesticides I alternate if anything should arise. Bugs aint no joke
 
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