Vertical cage match, 32K watts, 32 plants

[patrickkawi37]

Reading these numbers I feel blessed to get 28...still getting 25 for my blue dream at dispensaries ..
But I live in California.. Where Uncle Sam
Doesn't get his cut, but edison takes It for him. Cost of growing here is absolutely Ridiculous. if you get a pound per light you barely got the bills paid.

 

[ttystikk]

Reading these numbers I feel blessed to get 28...still getting 25 for my blue dream at dispensaries ..
But I live in California.. Where Uncle Sam
Doesn't get his cut, but edison takes It for him. Cost of growing here is absolutely Ridiculous. if you get a pound per light you barely got the bills paid.

I've been spending the last few years addressing that very issue. I think I've got some good cost cutting tech, reducing power, square footage AND labor in the bloom room.

 

[patrickkawi37]

I've been spending the last few years addressing that very issue. I think I've got some good cost cutting tech, reducing power, square footage AND labor in the bloom room.

I would love to hear any advise . I am running a very oversized canopy, only about 36watts/sq ft. This allows me to hit the 2 pound per light number even on a bad run . At the same time it's more electricity in a bigger canopy as far as fans and dehumidifiers. I think my biggest downfall of cost is my turn around rate. It takes me way to long to harvest and way too long to flip the next round . This comes down to having enough hands for the job, which I don't. My trimmers are lazy and only about 15% of them show up. I do
Spend a bit more on nutrients than the average person but I feel that As long as your hitting your numbers nutrients shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Disiel generators are your best friend in Cali.

.13 to .15 cents a kWh instead of .28-.32. So easy to wire in, no power bill. Just setup a holding tank at transfer tank on property. Company will fill the transfer tank at front of property, and you run pipe that connects to your holding tank.
Generator cost comes back in less than a year compared to power.

 

[redi jedi]

Whats the price of diesel in Cali?

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Disiel generators are your best friend in Cali.

.13 to .15 cents a kWh instead of .28-.32. So easy to wire in, no power bill. Just setup a holding tank at transfer tank on property. Company will fill the transfer tank at front of property, and you run pipe that connects to your holding tank.
Generator cost comes back in less than a year compared to power.

What are you using for cost comparison amperage wise?
Are you factoring in maintenance, labor, oil changes, fuel, initial procurement, etc...

I know that if it were only fuel we are talking about, those figures might work, but running a diesel 18+ hours a day is way more than just fuel.
Not to mention the racket - those things make lots of noise & the bigger you go, the more noise they make.

 

[Joedank]

Disiel generators are your best friend in Cali.

.13 to .15 cents a kWh instead of .28-.32. So easy to wire in, no power bill. Just setup a holding tank at transfer tank on property. Company will fill the transfer tank at front of property, and you run pipe that connects to your holding tank.
Generator cost comes back in less than a year compared to power.

this has been done to death with poor results . one guy in north mendo below me blew up and cartwheeled down his hill a 500gal had the fucking EPA up his ass and everything ..... the gas prices are set so this WILL work but is not stupid proof.
dude is still going to court 15 years later ...

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

What are you using for cost comparison amperage wise?
Are you factoring in maintenance, labor, oil changes, fuel, initial procurement, etc...

I know that if it were only fuel we are talking about, those figures might work, but running a diesel 18+ hours a day is way more than just fuel.
Not to mention the racket - those things make lots of noise & the bigger you go, the more noise they make.

Factoring in maintenance, fuel, initial setup with a replacement plan for 10 years on the generators. I didn't count labor as I have always done it myself. Oil changes are 150-200 a month.

And the price is broken down by the number of kilowatts you use to the amount of gas used per hour.

And yes their are loud, they also sell residential and commercial mufflers for them. Takes it from an 18 wheeler in idle to the equivalence of two people having a conversation.

this has been done to death with poor results . one guy in north mendo below me blew up and cartwheeled down his hill a 500gal had the fucking EPA up his ass and everything ..... the gas prices are set so this WILL work but is not stupid proof.
dude is still going to court 15 years later ...

Nothing we do is "stupid proof". I have ran so many of these things here for people. It isn't hard, just get a electrician to set it up (it's even easier to set them up if you don't hve power to the breaker box at all, meaning the generator is the only source of power.)
I just set up 2 30k Detroit diesels for a customer, they paid 5gs for each used, les than 1000 hours on them.
Life expectancy of those machine is a million hours.

50 thousand watts uses roughly 24 gallons of diesel a day. At $3 a gallon is $72 a day.

50 thousands watts (2 16k rooms on flip flops, plus ac and dehumidifiers) a day at .10 cents a kWh would be 83 dollars a day.

That's the cost analysis for here at .10 a kWh. You're more then welcome to do tell me what you pay per kWh and I'll do the math.

You'll break even on the generator in a year. After that is saves you money, and a lot of it

 

[rkymtnman]

Factoring in maintenance, fuel, initial setup with a replacement plan for 10 years on the generators. I didn't count labor as I have always done it myself. Oil changes are 150-200 a month.

And the price is broken down by the number of kilowatts you use to the amount of gas used per hour.

And yes their are loud, they also sell residential and commercial mufflers for them. Takes it from an 18 wheeler in idle to the equivalence of two people having a conversation.

Nothing we do is "stupid proof". I have ran so many of these things here for people. It isn't hard, just get a electrician to set it up (it's even easier to set them up if you don't hve power to the breaker box at all, meaning the generator is the only source of power.)
I just set up 2 30k Detroit diesels for a customer, they paid 5gs for each used, les than 1000 hours on them.
Life expectancy of those machine is a million hours.

50 thousand watts uses roughly 24 gallons of diesel a day. At $3 a gallon is $72 a day.

50 thousands watts (2 16k rooms on flip flops, plus ac and dehumidifiers) a day at .10 cents a kWh would be 83 dollars a day.

That's the cost analysis for here at .10 a kWh. You're more then welcome to do tell me what you pay per kWh and I'll do the math.

You'll break even on the generator in a year. After that is saves you money, and a lot of it

have you done a comparison of what a propane vs diesel genset would cost?? just curious.

 

[ttystikk]

have you done a comparison of what a propane vs diesel genset would cost?? just curious.

Conversion from diesel to propane is simple, straightforward and inexpensive.

 

[rkymtnman]

Conversion from diesel to propane is simple, straightforward and inexpensive.

i was more curious about the cost breakdown. i wonder which is more efficient as a fuel: diesel or propane?

 

[rkymtnman]

or if you have a $100 bucks of diesel and propane, which will last longer?

 

[ttystikk]

or if you have a $100 bucks of diesel and propane, which will last longer?

I think the answer to that question is dependent as much on market price as anything.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

i was more curious about the cost breakdown. i wonder which is more efficient as a fuel: diesel or propane?

Diesel is more efficient by far.
The average BTU content of Propane (per gal) is 91,500 BTU's.
The average BTU content of Diesel (per gal) is 147,000 BTU's.

With the average price of propane @ $2.29 per gallon and diesel @ $2.89, without actually crunching the numbers it looks like Diesel would be far and away the better choice atm.

 

[redi jedi]

Factoring in maintenance, fuel, initial setup with a replacement plan for 10 years on the generators. I didn't count labor as I have always done it myself. Oil changes are 150-200 a month.

And the price is broken down by the number of kilowatts you use to the amount of gas used per hour.

And yes their are loud, they also sell residential and commercial mufflers for them. Takes it from an 18 wheeler in idle to the equivalence of two people having a conversation.

Nothing we do is "stupid proof". I have ran so many of these things here for people. It isn't hard, just get a electrician to set it up (it's even easier to set them up if you don't hve power to the breaker box at all, meaning the generator is the only source of power.)
I just set up 2 30k Detroit diesels for a customer, they paid 5gs for each used, les than 1000 hours on them.
Life expectancy of those machine is a million hours.

50 thousand watts uses roughly 24 gallons of diesel a day. At $3 a gallon is $72 a day.

50 thousands watts (2 16k rooms on flip flops, plus ac and dehumidifiers) a day at .10 cents a kWh would be 83 dollars a day.

That's the cost analysis for here at .10 a kWh. You're more then welcome to do tell me what you pay per kWh and I'll do the math.

You'll break even on the generator in a year. After that is saves you money, and a lot of it

I doubt a 50kw genny could run a 16kw grow. @4.5A/light x 16 = 72A...just for the lights. I've never seen a 50 amp receptacle on a genny under 100kw...not saying there isnt one out there but it all comes down to how many amps the genny is capable of with a continuous load.

50,000W/day = 2.1kWh/hour or 21cents/hour...little over 5 bucks a day. Not sure how you came to 83?

16kWh x 24 hours = 384kWh/day or $38.4/day to run the lights @ 10cents/kWh

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

I doubt a 50kw genny could run a 16kw grow. @4.5A/light x 16 = 72A...just for the lights. I've never seen a 50 amp receptacle on a genny under 100kw...not saying there isnt one out there but it all comes down to how many amps the genny is capable of with a continuous load.

50,000W/day = 2.1kWh/hour or 21cents/hour...little over 5 bucks a day. Not sure how you came to 83?

16kWh x 24 hours = 384kWh/day or $38.4/day to run the lights @ 10cents/kWh

Your math is wrong my friend.
A 50kw generator can run 227 amps at 220v.

Also, your math for power has only included the lights. Mine is for air conditioners and dehumidifiers too.

I'm a electrician, just wired up a 35k generator for a 16k grow. Runs at full blast like a generator should when everything is running.

 

[redi jedi]

It wont be running long at WOT...Continuous load is usually 75% throttle.

Go rent a portable light tower..they usually have 32kw or 50kw gen set in them...see if you can get 227 amps out of it..lol

Ohms law doesn't work for generators....416 amps at 120v....think about it.

 

[redi jedi]

Dont even need to do the math really...if running a diesel genny is cheaper than power from the grid...why isn't all types of manufacturing using generators for primary power?

fuck for that matter...why doesn't every home use a generator?

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

It wont be running long at WOT...Continuous load is usually 75% throttle.

Go rent a portable light tower..they usually have 32kw or 50kw gen set in them...see if you can get 227 amps out of it..lol

Ohms law doesn't work for generators....416 amps at 120v....think about it.

Dude I am a certified electrician. I really don feel like explaining this to you. Think about what to just said. A 50 thousand watt generator can't run 16 thousand watts? Come on dude.

 

[redi jedi]

Dude I am a certified electrician. I really don feel like explaining this to you. Think about what to just said. A 50 thousand watt generator can't run 16 thousand watts? Come on dude.

Dude I'm a certified millwright...you need to understand the difference between peak power and continuous load. Running a generator at WOT is like jumping in a car and driving in 1st gear on the highway.