The Rev’s vs Subcool’s Super Soil

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Elchacal

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Hi guys,

Any one had tried the two methods to give a comparison on results

I have made an internet research and only get 2 small get-it-straight results without the why details

One says: "The Rev's is going to be superior"
http://www.reddit.com/r/cannabiscultivation/comments/267eqw/inexperienced_grower_any_tips/

The other says: " Subcool’s super soil is my first choice for a super soil"..."There are folks that rave about this mix (Rev’s) but I find it ridiculous. In my opinion some unnecessary and useless or practically useless ingredients, such as Greensand and Feather Meal. Sometimes simpler is better."
http://growingorganicmarijuana.com/subcools-super-soil-improved
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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Elchacal said:
Hi guys,

Any one had tried the two methods to give a comparison on results

I have made an internet research and only get 2 small get-it-straight results without the why details

One says: "The Rev's is going to be superior"
http://www.reddit.com/r/cannabiscultivation/comments/267eqw/inexperienced_grower_any_tips/

The other says: " Subcool’s super soil is my first choice for a super soil"..."There are folks that rave about this mix (Rev’s) but I find it ridiculous. In my opinion some unnecessary and useless or practically useless ingredients, such as Greensand and Feather Meal. Sometimes simpler is better."
http://growingorganicmarijuana.com/subcools-super-soil-improved
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Feather meal is high in nitrogen and slow release . It's usefull...
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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mr sunshine said:
Feather meal is high in nitrogen and slow release . It's usefull...
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I've had people also tell me feather meal is loaded with arsenic. I think green machine is correct - the revs mix recipes are meant to be both customizable and intended for long term recyclability. Recipes found in the TLO book differ from those found in skunk magazine issues. Super soil is sold on the market as a proprietary mix (and subs recipes are copied by many others I might add) whereas the revs mixes are pretty much up to the grower. Not to say one is better than the other; more importantly they both utilize the microbial life inherent in all natural style mixes. Treating your soil as a living thing that feeds your plants is at the heart of organic growing and the hardest thing for synthetic nutrient growers to get their heads around - which also includes the up selling idiots that run most hydro stores.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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I find the soils can be made with less for less......Rev use's 2 different bagged nutrients (pre made 5-5-5 and a bulb food). Why? just use the other things at the right amounts for the same result. Your already adding the things their made of. So simply use more of the parts....
Layering.....WTF? Why? If you do any of the sub's or rev's soil mix's....Why not simply mix the layering components up and dump it in and grow......I just don't get the layering thing....
Greensand? How about SRP.

Read this, these guys have it said better then I can
http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/9885098-why-tlo-dissecting-the-rev-mix-line-by-line

Doc
 
phil k

phil k

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Richard Drysift said:
I've had people also tell me feather meal is loaded with arsenic. I think green machine is correct - the revs mix recipes are meant to be both customizable and intended for long term recyclability. Recipes found in the TLO book differ from those found in skunk magazine issues. Super soil is sold on the market as a proprietary mix (and subs recipes are copied by many others I might add) whereas the revs mixes are pretty much up to the grower. Not to say one is better than the other; more importantly they both utilize the microbial life inherent in all natural style mixes. Treating your soil as a living thing that feeds your plants is at the heart of organic growing and the hardest thing for synthetic nutrient growers to get their heads around - which also includes the up selling idiots that run most hydro stores.
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theres a lot of ways you can buy amendments and your right if your getting "uncooked" feather meals they can contain nasty shit... same with a lot of amendments.. its why a lot of companies are priced differently some spend a lot more energy cleaning the amendments so they have to charge more.
 
phil k

phil k

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Dr. Who said:
I find the soils can be made with less for less......Rev use's 2 different bagged nutrients (pre made 5-5-5 and a bulb food). Why? just use the other things at the right amounts for the same result. Your already adding the things their made of. So simply use more of the parts....
Layering.....WTF? Why? If you do any of the sub's or rev's soil mix's....Why not simply mix the layering components up and dump it in and grow......I just don't get the layering thing....
Greensand? How about SRP.

Read this, these guys have it said better then I can
http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/9885098-why-tlo-dissecting-the-rev-mix-line-by-line

Doc
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layering is like a plant feeding in nature. trees roots expand for miles in search of nutrient rich soils to feed.. all the roots along the way that aren't feeding or seeking food are being used to get drinking water.... when you have pockets theres areas where the roots can expand and not bump into hot soils.. as the roots spread they eat layer by layer until the foods depleted in each layer then they move to the next so on and so on.. as opposed to having your plants growing through completely amended soil where they always have to eat they are always getting chemicals in the water as the water flows through the media... i don't believe in multi layering... that slows the roots spreading if you have a really deep hot portion it can take a week or two for the roots to deplete the chemicals enough to move through to the next layer.. however like with our soil, the how soil sits at the bottom of the container and the rest is filled with promix... which make the promix zone a nutrient free zone that when water passes through it the plants drink clean fresh water never picking up excess nutrients and force feeding. .. the roots/feeder roots sit on top of the hot soil and feed as the plant needs. so theres never burns or deficiencies when the soils are made right and placed into the grow setup right.
 
phil k

phil k

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Rrog said:
Many roads to Rome, but the Rev (bless his heart) isn't the road a horticulturist would follow.
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do you not like him? i used to read the magazine articles in skunk a lot but for some reason i was never really into his shit...
 
phil k

phil k

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some things were like crap shoot and you wouldn't do as a experienced grower and other things were so simple it was like why are they wasting article space for this.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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I see your point Phil but, I find that I get a better consistent/balanced root ball if I do it complete.....

BTW,,,,Your soil is working out well with your suggested usage. It is working out well and in my opinion, a little better in the layered with my 30 days base soil and in the one's mixed with the 30 day base through out the pot.....Much more to be seen, so that is very preliminary yet.....You need to use only healthy plants with your method as one I did just "too see" what would happen was a tad weak and in some need of N......It has taken off but, with what I consider as to long a lag in N recovery......I know, I know. It should have been a healthy plant, stress free......But I simply wanted to do that to "see" what it would do.....That "lag" was the roots growing out to the nutrient rich soil......If it was a complete no layer mix.....It would not have had the "lag" so expressed. One of the reason's I like a complete mix and not layered.....Not every seedling is as healthy as it should be, and many don't waste clone's or seedlings that are not 100% stress free....

I do like what your soil is doing so far.....It works

Doc
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Richard Drysift said:
Treating your soil as a living thing that feeds your plants is at the heart of organic growing and the hardest thing for synthetic nutrient growers to get their heads around
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i know where you are coming from brother
Treating animals with the same respect as humans and not eating them, which is considerably mean
is the hardest thing for Omnivores to get their head around

meat is murder
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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skunkd0c said:
i know where you are coming from brother
Treating animals with the same respect as humans and not eating them, which is considerably mean
is the hardest thing for Omnivores to get their head around

meat is murder
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Mmmm, murder tastes gooodd!!! I once heard on an HBO special with a cannibal, that humans taste like roast pork.......The part that bothered me, was that they actually asked the "question" !! It took a bit for me to make roast pork again.....My son's took no mercy on me. when it was done again.......They asked who it was.
My son's did not have their first Beef steak till around 6&7.....They said it tasted "funny" They were raised on Venison, and other wild or farmed game....

I farm,,,,we have raised our own animals for about 10 years now......They are treated/harvested better then any store bought ,
meat......I guess to ask. "How is it mean"?
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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Dr. Who said:
"How is it mean"?
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well apparently if a cannibal captured you and ate you that would be mean because the cannibal has the cognitive reasoning to choose to eat nuts and berries and plants rather than you
even if you're treated kindly while captive and killed painlessly before you're eaten

you are supposed to make the choice to treat animals the same way as you would want a cannibal to treat you, (please don't eat me) (eat some berries instead)

i hope this helps
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Rrog said:
He's demonstrated mostly armchair stoner logic, piecing together different growing strategies, assuming that more is better. I perused his book and was totally disappointed.

Simple soil just isn't that difficult, and he's made it a crazy event.
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This is true. I agree you do not need to add as much to your mix as Rev suggests. I think it has to do with his use of very small pots. Organic growing surely does not have to be as complex as he makes it out to be.
I have a friend who I trade clones with who added no layers or spikes to his basic mix & gave his plants nothing but water and some cal mag. His plants did better than mine this run probably because I couldn't resist the urge to dump bottled shit on them. I still have much to learn apparently but I feel that TLO is a great primer into organics. That is if you are coming from a bottled nutrient mindset.
 
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