Organic Feeding 101.

[vtmaster]

hey guys ...m doing a new grow again...my last grow i screwd it up cuz of N toxicity and hav to start all over again...this time i dont want to make the mistake of over feeding...
can u guys help me with the soil ratio mixture of plant such that from seed till harvest i dont hav to add any more nutrient and just water with simple water and hence help myself frm nt being tempted to over feed my plants...i hav searchd a lot on the net and all i get is real vague answers
what i wanna know is what is the ratio of
coco peat :normal soil: bone meal: blood meal : banana peel : vermicompost
to prepare the soil befor planting ?...
i hav the ratio as out of 10
3 parts of coco for loose soil and moisture retention
4 parts of soil
1 part of vermicompost
and remaining 2 parts mix of blood , bone meal and banana peel ....
u guys think this ratio is good to start the soil of so that i never need to fertilize it again if m jus growing fr a period of 3-4 months
1 month veg and remaining 2-3 months flowering ?
and if i at all see nutrient deffeciency later on
i shall add DAP slowly for little N and P
and banana peel water for K and other micro nutrients ?
thanks guys if u can help me out wiith this...thats all i need cuz the rest is all sorted out for me

 

[Indian Spices]

coco peat :normal soil: bone meal: blood meal : banana peel : vermicompost
to prepare the soil befor planting ?...
i hav the ratio as out of 10
3 parts of coco for loose soil and moisture retention
4 parts of soil
1 part of vermicompost
and remaining 2 parts mix of blood , bone meal and banana peel ....
u guys think this ratio is good to start the soil of so that i never need to fertilize it again if m jus growing fr a period of 3-4 months
1 month veg and remaining 2-3 months flowering ?
and if i at all see nutrient deffeciency later on
i shall add DAP slowly for little N and P
and banana peel water for K and other micro nutrients ?
thanks guys if u can help me out wiith this...thats all i need cuz the rest is all sorted out for me

I think you need some more micro nutes!



and dont forget lime for the cal/mag and as pH buffer!

 

[vtmaster]

I think you need some more micro nutes!



and dont forget lime for the cal/mag and as pH buffer!

ok thnx ....but u think this ratio is fine to last it till harvest without adding any more fert except for micro nutes ?....
can i jus giv it water

 

[Indian Spices]

mmmm I thought about it.. maybe your soil gets a bit hot... I mean 2 parts blood and bone sounds like alot... I ussually use it 2-3 tablespoons per gallon soil...

but dont quote me on that.

I think you would not need more nutes.

kelp meal or liquid kelp would be a great addition

 

[vtmaster]

mmmm I thought about it.. maybe your soil gets a bit hot... I mean 2 parts blood and bone sounds like alot... I ussually use it 2-3 tablespoons per gallon soil...

but dont quote me on that.

I think you would not need more nutes.

kelp meal or liquid kelp would be a great addition

hey thnx for ur info..yeah i need to buy kelp me fr micro nutes ...any ways thnx for ur advice ...it was f great help

 

[Indian Spices]

hey thnx for ur info..yeah i need to buy kelp me fr micro nutes ...any ways thnx for ur advice ...it was f great help

no problem. I am glad to help... always!

I am here to learn and share. good luck with your plants!

 

[Nursejanna]

Any ideas for boosting bud size (organic flower)? I have a pretty good soil mix, and have been giving liquid bone meal, sea mag, and kelp meal. Have heard to add molasses in the last 2 weeks, but not sure how much? Thanks in advance!

 

[vtmaster]

try dis out instead of molasses....take a banana peel...n submerge in a litre of water for a day ...den dilute that water 2-3 times more and water it ...banana peel contains as much as 47% K and 2-3% P...and not just that ..it contains other trace elemets as Ca Mg Zn Fe...etc....the best source of natural fert i wld think...and the best part is at no cost ....best f luck .....but b careful of overfeeding ...cuz i had made that mistake....Remember ...it contains high amounts of K so increase ur dose step by step..start with littl ...n later experience will help after few grows with it

 

[Nursejanna]

try dis out instead of molasses....take a banana peel...n submerge in a litre of water for a day ...den dilute that water 2-3 times more and water it ...banana peel contains as much as 47% K and 2-3% P...and not just that ..it contains other trace elemets as Ca Mg Zn Fe...etc....the best source of natural fert i wld think...and the best part is at no cost ....best f luck .....but b careful of overfeeding ...cuz i had made that mistake....Remember ...it contains high amounts of K so increase ur dose step by step..start with littl ...n later experience will help after few grows with it

Thank you!

 

[Slimedog1]

2 tbs liquid kelp, 1# worm castings and 1 tsp humic acid mixed in 5 gallons of water....aerated for 24- 48 hours then applied as a foliage spray. It can also be used as a soil drench.Apply in early morning or better yet in the early evening.

 

[Darth Vapour]

curious why would anyone need to feed there organic soils when it should have enough from start to finish ??

 

[Chester da Horse]

curious why would anyone need to feed there organic soils when it should have enough from start to finish ?? View attachment 3437265

cos you recycle it and its a living resource?

 

[Darth Vapour]

cos you recycle it and its a living resource?

Where on earth does it rain TEAS naturally ?? ,, If were going to Fake organics then by all means giver shit.. But if were really doing it right like nature intended that is??.
Everything man touches he fucks up thems are facts ..
Were growing MJ like its a special needs plant , we worry to much on them billions of micro's that die and reproduce at a steady rate..so in effect were even fucking up there cycle.
By prolonging there death . and again natural cycle
We get into this notion that by adding things like myco's will indeed help when in fact to much will deter other VERY importance fungus and bacteria from getting proper populations ,, numbers when we do not really have the equation to really know WTF i mean were dabbing in no mans land mother nature has things in balance do we
Again know where near what mother nature intended and again MAN sticking his nose into the equation and fucking it all up
We forget the process in which living plants feed and attract the micro's so again were screwing with the cycle and also forget how the cycle really works ..
I am very surprised that the top soil biologist are not stoners ??
To be honest were just dabbing into soil biology compared to other scientific area's yet the stoner forums seem to have it down pact ...
Or do they
funny shit this spring i spread 200,000 tons of manure god dam wish i would of took pictures ...
same thing will apply in fall , sure you smell the shit in the air sometimes ??
But that doesn't matter with our crops that get planted in spring and harvested in fall with no teas added amazes me when i look at my true organic garden in my back yard .. that i have never amended other then spring and fall dig culverts and place greens , grass clipping you name it and year after year our little personal garden grows a abundance of veggies same thing applies for this years MJ out door grow just ADD WATER
I'll make sure to post updates and a monster sized plant that only got water ( Rain Water ) that is through out its life transplanting this week into 30 gallon then final 150 gallons actual this year plan is planting it in compost bin still another 12 weeks min of veg should be good size . . but most importantly only water fed..
I guess they should make it like 3 types of organic growing ...
mother natures way
mans organics
what would be another name folks ???

 

[greasemonkeymann]

try dis out instead of molasses....take a banana peel...n submerge in a litre of water for a day ...den dilute that water 2-3 times more and water it ...banana peel contains as much as 47% K and 2-3% P...and not just that ..it contains other trace elemets as Ca Mg Zn Fe...etc....the best source of natural fert i wld think...and the best part is at no cost ....best f luck .....but b careful of overfeeding ...cuz i had made that mistake....Remember ...it contains high amounts of K so increase ur dose step by step..start with littl ...n later experience will help after few grows with it

black strap molasses is a better supplement than a banana tea, in my experience.

Look at what BSM has in it.
Either way I would HIGHLY suggest NOT using molasses n the last two weeks.
Trust me.
If you want to mess around with fruit, make a fermented fruit tea, waaaaay more available phosphorus.
But again, adding anything different the last two weeks probably isn't gonna help much.
All depends on whats in your soil though.. and the strain, the size of the container, etc.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Any ideas for boosting bud size (organic flower)? I have a pretty good soil mix, and have been giving liquid bone meal, sea mag, and kelp meal. Have heard to add molasses in the last 2 weeks, but not sure how much? Thanks in advance!

don't do that, next time amend with good amounts of fish bone meal, and rock phosphates.
Trust me, if you give them molasses specifically during the last two weeks you'll be sorry.
Been there man.. just tryin to help.
In my experience, a topdress of a nutrient heavy leaf compost is the single best thing to use when they are running light on food.
That's assuming you simply can't give them a bigger pot, which is ALWAYS the best thing, I prefer to not to add anything at all to them besides water and compost.
What I WOULD recommend though.... is tryin out SSTs, those have some interestingly frosty effects on budding plants.

 

[Incognigrow]

don't do that, next time amend with good amounts of fish bone meal, and rock phosphates.
Trust me, if you give them molasses specifically during the last two weeks you'll be sorry.
Been there man.. just tryin to help.
In my experience, a topdress of a nutrient heavy leaf compost is the single best thing to use when they are running light on food.
That's assuming you simply can't give them a bigger pot, which is ALWAYS the best thing, I prefer to not to add anything at all to them besides water and compost.
What I WOULD recommend though.... is tryin out SSTs, those have some interestingly frosty effects on budding plants.

What are SSTs?

 

[testiclees]

don't do that, next time amend with good amounts of fish bone meal, and rock phosphates.
Trust me, if you give them molasses specifically during the last two weeks you'll be sorry.
Been there man.. just tryin to help.
In my experience, a topdress of a nutrient heavy leaf compost is the single best thing to use when they are running light on food.
That's assuming you simply can't give them a bigger pot, which is ALWAYS the best thing, I prefer to not to add anything at all to them besides water and compost.
What I WOULD recommend though.... is tryin out SSTs, those have some interestingly frosty effects on budding plants.

Do you believe that SST's make sense throughout flowering?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Do you believe that SST's make sense throughout flowering?

I just do them twice per flowering, three times if you count coco-water.
I do very, very little to the plants when they flower, just let them go to town, I've found the more I interfere, often the less I get.
And honestly it's not like overnight you see huger trichome development, it very well could be in my head, but I don't think so.
Along with my compost, my homemade EWC, and all the other weird things I do, it very well may be solely because I wanna believe that i'm unique.
But considering that, I've grown the same clone-only strains that everyone else does, and when they smoke mine, they literally accuse me of growing a different strain, that's happened with the blue dream, purple paralysis, and the jack herer.
SO maybe? Maybe not? But I have a lot of other "hair-brained" growing techniques

What are SSTs?

Sprouted seed teas.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Hell i put used bacon grease in my compost bin , about 1 - 2 cups a month.. when i go to transplant clones into ground i make 50 gallons per plant 40 percent top soil 40 percent compost from my bin 10 percent grass clippings 5 percent cardboard ( Worm food ) and 5 percent live worms
water only planted these clones may 24th only thing i do is add grass fresh grass clippings every couple of weeks no teas

 

[Incognigrow]

I just do them twice per flowering, three times if you count coco-water.
I do very, very little to the plants when they flower, just let them go to town, I've found the more I interfere, often the less I get.
And honestly it's not like overnight you see huger trichome development, it very well could be in my head, but I don't think so.
Along with my compost, my homemade EWC, and all the other weird things I do, it very well may be solely because I wanna believe that i'm unique.
But considering that, I've grown the same clone-only strains that everyone else does, and when they smoke mine, they literally accuse me of growing a different strain, that's happened with the blue dream, purple paralysis, and the jack herer.
SO maybe? Maybe not? But I have a lot of other "hair-brained" growing techniques

Sprouted seed teas.

Thanks everyone left me hanging. Gonna research that.