Defoliation, a scientific approach...

[Darth Vapour]

problem with sativa is they never really get super dense like Indica Dominent here 7 to 9 pound plants dried and there fucking huge

 

[Darth Vapour]

cause of the leafs driving plant skin them leafs off a sativa and your going to have shit

 

[skunkd0c]

like this one

i do not agree with your experience with sativa dominated hybrids
but i still respect you rocking that hyroot sig LOL

 

[Darth Vapour]

you know Sativa is ok to grow in with other indica i could never ,, sit there and flower 10 - 18 weeks its about pumping out the poundage and less cost ...
Now if you had a flower room ,, and had a few flowering for personal use but in all honesty Sativa is Garbage for commercial growing you will go broke by 3 - 4 harvest this is why you get the 50 / 50 hybrids that pound it out best of both worlds

 

[707humboldt]

you know Sativa is ok to grow in with other indica i could never ,, sit there and flower 10 - 18 weeks its about pumping out the poundage and less cost ...
Now if you had a flower room ,, and had a few flowering for personal use but in all honesty Sativa is Garbage for commercial growing you will go broke by 3 - 4 harvest this is why you get the 50 / 50 hybrids that pound it out best of both worlds

Im talking about strains like Blue dream, and J1 (jack h X skunk #1) when I'm talking about sativa dom heavy yielders. Both are 9-10 week strains and Ive gotten some of my largest yields off of these. Both do great outdoors and get huge.

 

[skunkd0c]

you know Sativa is ok to grow in with other indica i could never ,, sit there and flower 10 - 18 weeks its about pumping out the poundage and less cost ...
Now if you had a flower room ,, and had a few flowering for personal use but in all honesty Sativa is Garbage for commercial growing you will go broke by 3 - 4 harvest this is why you get the 50 / 50 hybrids that pound it out best of both worlds

i think you are getting confused with pure sativas and sativa dominated hybrids which finish in roughly the same time as indica dominated hybrids
but produce more as they tend to grow much larger

a given phenotype of a 50/50 hybrid can express a sativa growth pattern and fewer leaves this can out yield its sister which is also a 50/50 hybrid but expresses a more leafy indica growth pattern

peace

 

[AlphaPhase]

My sativas have been yielding more but it comes with a longer flower time. I try to grow 10 week sativa dom, though I haven't grown any 14+ wk sativa I'd like to. I can't report on the longer flowering sativa yields, I'd imagine they would be huge, but at a cost of being able to flower out 2 Indica harvests in the same time.

The sats I grow yield 3oz per 21 day veg on average. I have some in flower that were vegged for 1.5 weeks and should yield 2 Oz. Which I can't complain about. The thing is with the veg time of 10 days, I do not have to trim any leaves with 12 plants in a 4x4 tray. Don't laugh at my table, I'm dialing shit in!! Lol

Day 1 flower (6 different strains)


Day 14 flower



Now I am HOPING to get 2 Oz per plant, but realistically I'll be happy with 1. 5oz per plant. This is using new nutrients, new pots, new medium (stuff I've never used before) so 20oz using a 1000w I'll be happy. Next grow, the plants will obviously be vegged longer and may need a nice prune. I may not even lollipop the current grow. I'm saying this because it really depends on a lot of factors of the grow to be able to introduce certain techniques of plant training.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Here is a idea , Take no more then 10 percent of the leafs in your indoor grow ,, that will equate to pretty much what insect will damage

 

[AlphaPhase]

That's the thing darth, there's insect damage AND animal damage out door, so I think realistically in nature, 30% is a good ball park. I've had deer eat whole plants before, I've also had deer eat 30%, while the plant still yielded the same or better as it's sister plant (I did alot of guerilla growing and it was a tough ride)

 

[AlphaPhase]

I've even had animals supercrop my gear for me lol

 

[707humboldt]

I don't run a lot of sativa dom stuff indoors. Mostly all OG, sour, chems, cookies, etc. I will use a light or two once and a while to do some blue dream, J1, alien wrench, etc to get some variety and some sativa dom stuff. Id say at least 75% of my rooms go to OG, sour, GG4, and stuff from the cookie fam.

 

[Darth Vapour]

actually its closer to 10 percent from studies

 

[skunkd0c]

the overall yield of a plant is dependent on its individual genetic blueprint as to weather it will produce lots of branching/side branching large multiple floral clusters dense individual flowers etc
large stretch during flower
i do not see how many leaves the plant produces has anything to do with it as we know this can vary hugely

i think it is ok to prune an indica dominated expressing sister that is much more leafy than its sativa dominated sibling
both are classed as 50/50 hybrids, one takes after the mother one takes after the father

both sister plants have individual characteristics although they share very similar genes
the genetics that controls flower development which leads to overall yield is independent of that which controls how much leaf the given pheno will produce
or weather it grows in a helpful shape without too much shading

by pruning/bending etc the indica sister to make her "look" more like her attractive sativa dom sister
resulting in a more open canopy, i see no harm in this, to me it makes sense anyway lol

peace

 

[Darth Vapour]

My sativas have been yielding more but it comes with a longer flower time. I try to grow 10 week sativa dom, though I haven't grown any 14+ wk sativa I'd like to. I can't report on the longer flowering sativa yields, I'd imagine they would be huge, but at a cost of being able to flower out 2 Indica harvests in the same time.

The sats I grow yield 3oz per 21 day veg on average. I have some in flower that were vegged for 1.5 weeks and should yield 2 Oz. Which I can't complain about. The thing is with the veg time of 10 days, I do not have to trim any leaves with 12 plants in a 4x4 tray. Don't laugh at my table, I'm dialing shit in!! Lol

Day 1 flower (6 different strains)
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Day 14 flower
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Now I am HOPING to get 2 Oz per plant, but realistically I'll be happy with 1. 5oz per plant. This is using new nutrients, new pots, new medium (stuff I've never used before) so 20oz using a 1000w I'll be happy. Next grow, the plants will obviously be vegged longer and may need a nice prune. I may not even lollipop the current grow. I'm saying this because it really depends on a lot of factors of the grow to be able to introduce certain techniques of plant training.[/QUOTE

Your plants look indica / Ruderal as got 20 oz man you should be seeing min 32 oz off 1 k

Here 14 days veg and day 21 lol as well day 9 flower

Your plants look indica / Ruderal as got 20 oz man you should be seeing min 32 oz off 1 k

Here 14 days veg and day 21 lol as well day 9 flower

 

[Darth Vapour]

the overall yield of a plant is dependent on its individual genetic blueprint as to weather it will produce lots of branching/side branching large multiple floral clusters dense individual flowers etc
large stretch during flower
i do not see how many leaves the plant produces has anything to do with it as we know this can vary hugely

i think it is ok to prune an indica dominated expressing sister that is much more leafy than its sativa dominated sibling
both are classed as 50/50 hybrids, one takes after the mother one takes after the father

both sister plants have individual characteristics although they share very similar genes
the genetics that controls flower development which leads to overall yield is independent of that which controls how much leaf the given pheno will produce
or weather it grows in a helpful shape without too much shading



by pruning/bending etc the indica sister to make her "look" more like her attractive sativa dom sister
resulting in a more open canopy, i see no harm in this, to me it makes sense anyway lol

peace

You guys got it all fucking wrong man,,, train your plant not by removal of leafs but by lots of tops at the light source...
You thing your light ???? is going to do anything but make you a fucking fluffy bud 4 feet down ???? specially after stretch your plants is 3 - 4 feet tall ...
your lights are 30 " from tops you know what kind of photons your throwing down to bottom waste of time buds ??? seriously that shit will be shake in your bag ..
So fucking time consuming,,,, that only thing you should make is hash with it
dried its larf no weight to it fuck under developed to boot

 

[skunkd0c]

you guys got it all fucking wrong man

Dude you were being quite civilized, now you are being a dick that "thinks" he knows best, stop that , you're better than that lol

 

[AlphaPhase]

Nice darth, it looks like we grow similar setups? What strains do you have there? I have some gg4 veggies at 2 weeks veg today I've been topping ALOT to keep them short. Theyare about 11" tall with 15+ ttops or so, I'm hoping I don't have to do much defol with them in flower, I will be flowering them in a week. But, the topping I have been doing, is kind of defol. I've topped alot, these are only 12 days veg (again, don't laugh, new medium ect)

 

[AlphaPhase]

Here's the same strain vegged for 19 days I believe, at day 25 flower or so.

 

[AlphaPhase]

 

[AlphaPhase]

My strains in the other pics are 2 phenos of headband, gg4, blue lemon thai, a fruity chronic juice, gg4, and a jedi kush x gg4, and tangilope x Chem 91 I call chemalope.