Ethics & Seeds

[King Arthur]

 

[King Arthur]

One of the knights didn't make it home.

 

[Jd Short]

Uh no, copping to being another person = banned.
I am one person and one person only, have been my entire life. In fact King Arthur has the honor of sharing my ignore list with Uncle Buck. Only been 3 people ever on my ignore, King Arthur, Uncle Buck, and Hazeygrapes.

I can quote your numerous attempts of "fake seeds". So not like I was reaching for it...
You hurt your father's name a hell of a lot more than his mutating plants and hermies and unbelievable pheno range.

Strange that after further questioning it was pretty well established that the seeds torontoke was talking about were in fact not authentic Dj Short gear. The first round, which he loved were the genetics Dj helped the duchies select and then parted ways shortly after. And the second round, also came from dutch passion long after dj had ceased any business relations with them including the genetic selections. At any rate, no matter what events from the past you wish to base my credibility on, everything I'm saying in regards to this scenario is clearly credible.

Dj's genetics are renowned for their stability, and that's pretty much common knowledge, except to you apparently who claims to be some genetic expert. It's also common knowledge that the mutants, not just among Dj's genetic lines are typically some of the most unique and in many circumstances the dankest plants one will get out of a pack. They're typically loaded with resin, color and dank smells as well as produce dank smoke.

And I've been doing research and development through Dj's gear for almost a year. I've documented everything. Even with pics....not sure where the misnomer about the hermies comes from. Except from the haters who just echo the same sentiment over and over again without any proof. Sure would be nice to see one of these authentic Dj grow journals that goes hermi. And not one from some Blueberry seeds someone feminized.

 

[Jd Short]

It is harder to trust a company which clearly wants to make a profit. As long as i haven't heard enough positive things or met the company in person i will not spend a lot of money. But after reading in the forums for a while you find people who always give good advice and have a good reputation. Following their advice gives me better results on average than following adverts or people like you. When i was new i bought Barney's farm because they were advertised everywhere and placed well on seed bank websites.

How you can miss the fact that small growers are using fems or destroy their males because of the lack of space is not a good sign either. Not everybody here has the luxury of living in California or Colorado or wherever the gold rush is at the moment so perhaps you're not seeing the whole picture.

All companies work for profit, if they didn't they'd be volunteering. This website (Rollitup) works for profit. It will never cease to amaze me what people want to believe is true because they read it on the internet. I saw a statement a few days back, I think it was on here. It was alluding to the fact that if anyone wanted to know who bred what strain all they would need to do is google it. This baffles me. I can't tell you how many different sources I've seen giving my credit for breeding the Whitaker Blues and Azure Haze to some random person who I've never even heard of. Sure, one can put pieces together, but without actually doing the leg work themselves, it's all just hearsay. I wish some of these so called trusted voices would do a little more of this leg work and document that work. If someone wants to rail on some breeder because they say their gear hermies, it sure would be nice to see their grow journal where that shit hermied.

Dj bred all of his original strains in a 4X4 closet and did all the research and development in the same closet. It doesn't take that much space. And if one's priority wasn't to harvest as much as possible as fast as possible by growing auto's maybe they could take just a little extra time to grow a few regulars and toss some pollen on them. I'm not missing anything.

But what is confusing to me is how hard some must think it is to make beans. And if they think it's that hard, shouldn't they be willing to pay for them? Especially if they're quality genetics?

 

[torontoke]

All companies work for profit, if they didn't they'd be volunteering. This website (Rollitup) works for profit. It will never cease to amaze me what people want to believe is true because they read it on the internet. I saw a statement a few days back, I think it was on here. It was alluding to the fact that if anyone wanted to know who bred what strain all they would need to do is google it. This baffles me. I can't tell you how many different sources I've seen giving my credit for breeding the Whitaker Blues and Azure Haze to some random person who I've never even heard of. Sure, one can put pieces together, but without actually doing the leg work themselves, it's all just hearsay. I wish some of these so called trusted voices would do a little more of this leg work and document that work. If someone wants to rail on some breeder because they say their gear hermies, it sure would be nice to see their grow journal where that shit hermied.

Dj bred all of his original strains in a 4X4 closet and did all the research and development in the same closet. It doesn't take that much space. And if one's priority wasn't to harvest as much as possible as fast as possible by growing auto's maybe they could take just a little extra time to grow a few regulars and toss some pollen on them. I'm not missing anything.

But what is confusing to me is how hard some must think it is to make beans. And if they think it's that hard, shouldn't they be willing to pay for them? Especially if they're quality genetics?

I dont think ive read many posts by people complaining about having to pay for good genetics.
The thread is about the ethics of "pollenchuckers"
No one will have much negative to say about the early yr dj short genetics.
Every breeder starts out as a pollenchucker and most hope to develope something worthwhile and hopefully they can build off it and work out all the kinks.
So if i were to buy a pack of dj shorts strain x and i eventually use it to make myself something worthwhile i would say its strain z which is dj short x crossed to strain b.
Would that be enough?
Or do u think now because djs name is in the title now i should pay him a cut too?

 

[Jd Short]

Yep. All his lawsuit talk and apparent greed is causing all of his problems but he cant see it.

This isn't greed. It's a open discussion on ethics. We all know this conversation will be had, and is being had, not just by us here, or me....but by many. Why not allow as many people to openly participate in it as possible? Why not allow as many people to share their experiences as possible? I definitely feel like you're more interested in shutting me out of the conversation and silencing my voice. And considering your blatant disregard for Dj or his business, if all I'm doing is hurting Dj's name, why wouldn't you want me to keep running on? My guess is that it's the conversation about patenting and leasing genetics that bothers you, and I can only ass u me why....but it appears pretty blatantly obvious to me.

 

[Jd Short]

I dont think ive read many posts by people complaining about having to pay for good genetics.
The thread is about the ethics of "pollenchuckers"
No one will have much negative to say about the early yr dj short genetics.
Every breeder starts out as a pollenchucker and most hope to develope something worthwhile and hopefully they can build off it and work out all the kinks.
So if i were to buy a pack of dj shorts strain x and i eventually use it to make myself something worthwhile i would say its strain z which is dj short x crossed to strain b.
Would that be enough?
Or do u think now because djs name is in the title now i should pay him a cut too?

The term Dj Short is part of his brand. If you think about it, using his brand, which is one of the most recognizable brands around would help you sell your seeds, no? Wouldn't then some of the profit being made come from the use of his name also? I mean all this shit is still new to me. But if it was me and someone was using my name to sell their seeds and were making money off my genetics and name, I'd want to be compensated for it. What that compensation would look like would be unique to the dynamics of each and every single circumstance. Maybe you only wanna sell your product to sick people. I wouldn't want any money from that. But maybe you want to win the cannabis cup and sell $500,000.00 worth of seeds and clones next year. I think I might want a cut of that if you were using my name, brand and genetics. Doesn't that sound fair?


Sorry, I misread what you stated. Yes, creating strain "Z" which is Dj Short blah blah X blah blah blah sounds absolutely fine to me.

 

[Jd Short]

I gotta go for now. More later....peace.

 

[torontoke]

The term Dj Short is part of his brand. If you think about it, using his brand, which is one of the most recognizable brands around would help you sell your seeds, no? Wouldn't then some of the profit being made come from the use of his name also? I mean all this shit is still new to me. But if it was me and someone was using my name to sell their seeds and were making a money off my genetics and name, I'd want to be compensated for it. What that compensation would look like would be unique to the dynamics of each and every single circumstance. Maybe you only wanna sell your product to sick people. I wouldn't want any money from that. But maybe you want to win the cannabis cup and sell $500,000.00 worth of seeds and clones next year. I think I might want a cut of that if you were using my brand and genetics. Doesn't that sound fair?

Well then ethically that answers the question as to why a pollenchucker would just use the genetics and not give credit.
It just goes to show u how alot of people and breeders are different.
Ive read posts where bodhif rom bodhi seeds actually tells people to use his stuff to make their own crosses and asked for pics of the truly noteworthy.
I dont remeber reading much about the genetics that make up "blueberry" but im sure ur dad gave the breeder of those parents a fair cut of his hugely popular strain revenue.

 

[Jd Short]

Well then ethically that answers the question as to why a pollenchucker would just use the genetics and not give credit.
It just goes to show u how alot of people and breeders are different.
Ive read posts where bodhif rom bodhi seeds actually tells people to use his stuff to make their own crosses and asked for pics of the truly noteworthy.
I dont remeber reading much about the genetics that make up "blueberry" but im sure ur dad gave the breeder of those parents a fair cut of his hugely popular strain revenue.

I misread your post and edited mine to answer better. I think the scenario you've stated above is absolutely appropriate.

 

[torontoke]

Could also look at it from the perspective that maybe if my new strain that admits to being made from a dj cross could potentially lead to alot more sales of said dj strain too.

 

[Jd Short]

Could also look at it from the perspective that maybe if my new strain that admits to being made from a dj cross could potentially lead to alot more sales of said dj strain too.

Yes, and it does. Blue dream helped promote Old World Genetics a lot. And they gave credit in the description to Dj. But the majority just call their strain dj short something or blueberry something. And the majority of these cases just make the Old World Genetic brand look like shit so they can sell a few more packs/lbs of their stuff. It's great to have so many people talking about Blueberry, but no so great that most of those people are talking trash because what they ended up thinking was Blueberry was just someone's wanna be knock-off hyped up strain.

 

[torontoke]

Yes, and it does. Blue dream helped promote Old World Genetics a lot. And they gave credit in the description to Dj. But the majority just call their strain dj short something or blueberry something. And the majority of these cases just make the Old World Genetic brand look like shit so they can sell a few more packs/lbs of their stuff. It's great to have so many people talking about Blueberry, but no so great that most of those people are talking trash because what they ended up thinking was Blueberry was just someone's wanna be knock-off hyped up strain.

Well i guess we agree to disagree.
I think even unpaid credit is better than no credit but tbh i dont aspire to become a breeder anyway so i shouldnt care.
Sorry to the op for hijacking ur thread.

 

[Jd Short]

Well i guess we agree to disagree.
I think even unpaid credit is better than no credit but tbh i dont aspire to become a breeder anyway so i shouldnt care.
Sorry to the op for hijacking ur thread.

Not necessarily. A company with good standing credibility that's being associated with the wrong image or a bad product can be hurt by the subpar image or product of the company attempting to associate with them. It's a way for companies that suck or are unheard of to elevate the status of their product and company by using an already established company with a good brand and good product. And in the mean time the established company with good credit loses it's credibility just by the association and the subpar company gains credibility. If someone is offering to pay for the association with another company, there are contracts and guidelines to follow. When someone just does it without asking or paying and just gives credit, they've basically taken that brand and are now using it as they see fit with blatant disregard for how the owner of said brand may feel. And with blatant disregard for how the owner of said brand may feel it reflects their own brand that they've worked really hard to create.

...lol, so yes, we disagree.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Yes, and it does. Blue dream helped promote Old World Genetics a lot. And they gave credit in the description to Dj. But the majority just call their strain dj short something or blueberry something. And the majority of these cases just make the Old World Genetic brand look like shit so they can sell a few more packs/lbs of their stuff. It's great to have so many people talking about Blueberry, but no so great that most of those people are talking trash because what they ended up thinking was Blueberry was just someone's wanna be knock-off hyped up strain.

Nobody would buy knock-offs if we had access to his seeds for $65 a pack shit I'd send cash money I don't fuck with credit cards don't even own one.

I did try Spice Of Life's Blue Satellite 2.2 or some shit not too bad but I payed $60 or so grabbed 3 packs cash I'd have never bought that with a good price on BB and Flo I really want to try just want a few packs of each just not for the $150 a pack or so I just got 100 SSH from MNS's auction for less than $150 it's gonna be a nice summer. The regular packs which come 19-25 seeds that I've seen go about $100 at that Auction with deals like that I can't bring myself to pay $150 a pack especially when I see a bit of bad germination probably cause they don't sell fast.

Really yall got no need to patent if your selling $65 a pack nice fresh stock and yall will make a lot more money cause I want to try all DJ's shit.

 

[TheChemist77]

The term Dj Short is part of his brand. If you think about it, using his brand, which is one of the most recognizable brands around would help you sell your seeds, no? Wouldn't then some of the profit being made come from the use of his name also? I mean all this shit is still new to me. But if it was me and someone was using my name to sell their seeds and were making money off my genetics and name, I'd want to be compensated for it. What that compensation would look like would be unique to the dynamics of each and every single circumstance. Maybe you only wanna sell your product to sick people. I wouldn't want any money from that. But maybe you want to win the cannabis cup and sell $500,000.00 worth of seeds and clones next year. I think I might want a cut of that if you were using my name, brand and genetics. Doesn't that sound fair?


Sorry, I misread what you stated. Yes, creating strain "Z" which is Dj Short blah blah X blah blah blah sounds absolutely fine to me.

i would liove to buy some original blue berry seeds from u directly if u will??

 

[King Arthur]

Could also look at it from the perspective that maybe if my new strain that admits to being made from a dj cross could potentially lead to alot more sales of said dj strain too.

You really think people don't give DJ Short enough credit, gtfo bro. I mean seriously almost every breeder that has delt with blueberry states that they got it from DJ Short or some other source they got it from. DJ is a douche bag and that is why he isn't rich. If he knew how to actually breed cannabis it wouldn't be 20 years later arguing over the same shit.

 

[King Arthur]

i would liove to buy some original blue berry seeds from u directly if u will??

Buying original from the son? that isn't original bro, he is popping seeds and breeding them. Hardly original at all he is pollen chucking just like the rest and he wants to tell you like it is otherwise. I seriously would go with seedsman blueberry for 9 bucks 1 seed or a nicer price for 100 than take dj or jd shits bullshit. Don't be an idiot bro

 

[King Arthur]

Well then ethically that answers the question as to why a pollenchucker would just use the genetics and not give credit.
It just goes to show u how alot of people and breeders are different.
Ive read posts where bodhif rom bodhi seeds actually tells people to use his stuff to make their own crosses and asked for pics of the truly noteworthy.
I dont remeber reading much about the genetics that make up "blueberry" but im sure ur dad gave the breeder of those parents a fair cut of his hugely popular strain revenue.

Riding jds dick isn't going to get you far in these parts

 

[torontoke]

You really think people don't give DJ Short enough credit, gtfo bro. I mean seriously almost every breeder that has delt with blueberry states that they got it from DJ Short or some other source they got it from. DJ is a douche bag and that is why he isn't rich. If he knew how to actually breed cannabis it wouldn't be 20 years later arguing over the same shit.

No i was clearly telling him that he should be grateful to even be mentioned nevermind compensated. I think he should be rich enough to sell his seeds for the same average price as every other seed.

Riding jds dick isn't going to get you far in these parts

I really dont see how you read any of that as me "riding a dick" i clearly stated in the begining i would never buy another single dj seed.
I guess the eyes will read what the heart yearns for.
Sorry to have posted my experience.
Good day to u sir