Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

  • Yes, I believe employers should provide a living wage to their employees

    Votes: 27 48.2%

  • No, I believe wages should strictly be decided by the employer, at his/her own discretion

    Votes: 13 23.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • Total voters
    56
superloud

superloud

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Red1966 said:
If you can only sell your car, home, or labor for X dollars, then all they are worth is X dollars.
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See that is the key word only I could sell my car for $2000 when it was worth $30,000.Or I can find a schmuck and sell him a $700 car for 5000 dollars. Just because it's what they pay for it doesn't mean it was What it was worth. It's not like it's all coming I can pay you that's just all they choose to pay their employees so they can drive around in their fancy cars.
 
superloud

superloud

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Red1966 said:
He has no idea of the profitability of his employers, yet assumes they "should" pay him more. He doesn't get it. Neither do you.
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How do I not get it my company has three buildings there are two shitty trucks that are already paid for that we have to use. A couple of shady forklift that always break down that we have 2 use The only new things are the machines. And they're already paid for. So there's no way my company is sending 11 million a month. Every time they increase production and get new contracts with new customers. We have to do more work than the original job we started doing. And even though they're getting Hundreds of thousands of more dollars because of that new contract and because we are filling the orders we do not see a penny of the money. We are also making the same old crap that we started making to begin with.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
why should employees have the special right to change the terms of the contract THEY agreed to and signed?
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that's not a special right, that's called passing a law through congress and corporations do it all the time.

you sure pack a lot of stupid within 4'11'' of unenviably bony freckled frame.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
Did your contract clearly state that in the future you would be entitled to a raise to the level you are now demanding?
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did the contract state that the employer was nto to be bound by the laws of the country in which they operate, and exempt from congressional action?

impotent little douche.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
Ahh, so we're back to the lefty entitlement bullshit.

I think people are "entitled" to what they agreed to when they signed the contract.
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keep repeating it as if laws passed by congress magically don't apply to companies operating in the united states.

tiny penised stooge.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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superloud said:
If my company is paying for my insurance is providing then the insurance must be insanely high because I pay three hundred and twelve dollars every two weeks for my health insurance. This insurance is provided by the company. We had BlueCross BlueShield insurance but they have dropped that and now it is some sort of insurance through the company itself. But I pay 624 dollars a month for it
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Bullshit.

If you earn as little as you claim to, then someone else is paying for your insurance.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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OddBall1st said:
Look at your fucking chart, it says it all
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Well then why can't you prove it?

The chart I posted shows wages stagnating while productivity remains constant, that's it. Then I provided evidence to support my claim that the root cause is legislation that got passed in favor of big business (Buckley v. Valeo in 1976 & First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti in 1978 ) that transferred the overwhelming majority of economic gains to the upper class.

See how that works?

So again, do you have any evidence to support your claim or not? How does the fact that industrial jobs declined while service jobs increased connect to lower wages across the board, including in the industrial sector? If what you're claiming was actually correct, wages in industrial jobs would not have declined. Does that register inside your brain?
 
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OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Padawanbater2 said:
Well then why can't you prove it?

The chart I posted shows wages stagnating while productivity remains constant, that's it. Then I provided evidence to support my claim that the root cause is legislation that got passed in favor of big business (Buckley v. Valeo in 1976 & First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti in 1978) that transferred the overwhelming majority of economic gains to the upper class.

See how that works?

So again, do you have any evidence to support your claim or not? How does the fact that industrial jobs declined while service jobs increased connect to lower wages across the board, including in the industrial sector? If what you're claiming was actually correct, wages in industrial jobs would not have declined. Does that register inside your brain?
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Yes I see how that works, but you don`t see the differences between industry and retail, when you change over to one or the other, you`re gonna see economic gains and it`s surplus go to where it belongs.

Their is a cap so to speak on what a retailer can pay their employees, it only worth so much. decline in industry virtually hands over the good paying jobs to other nations and leaves us at the register. Remove the good paying valued jobs and wonder why you are left with low paying jobs with limits and less benefits. Across the board is now all low pay work,...that`s how......
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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The industrial jobs wont decline because they are mostly Dock, storage and delivery....something vital, not profitable lined with prosperity.
 
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NoDrama

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Padawanbater2 said:
The green line should roughly match the orange line, like it did from '50-'78 when unionization was high, wages were high and people could afford to stimulate the economy
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The USA was the only country that had any real industrial base, the rest were still rebuilding from all the bombs lobbed in WW2. That is the #1 reason why the USA had such a good economy, not unions. We were supplying the entire world then, just like China currently does now.
 
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