Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?


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superloud

Well-Known Member
That's just it though. People want it all now, even the entrepreneurs. No one wants to start with a name tag and a polo shirt banging on doors, they want some big ass brick and mortar right on the main drag with a full parking lot, customer appreciation bbq going on in the back and their ass walking around telling everyone that works there what to do as they plan to take the rest of the day off to go fishing in their new boat.
See that's just it I did start with a name tag in Apollo 14 years ago and I'm still in a name tag in a polo. The problem is these minimum wage jobs are now careers for people because once you get into a minimum wage job you can't get away from it you don't make enough money to put it back so you can have a little time to go to school. And usually have to work so many hours to be able to make enough money to pay your bills that you don't have time to go look for another job. The minimum wage jobs are a hole that people get stuck in.
 

spandy

Well-Known Member
See that's just it I did start with a name tag in Apollo 14 years ago and I'm still in a name tag in a polo. The problem is these minimum wage jobs are now careers for people because once you get into a minimum wage job you can't get away from it you don't make enough money to put it back so you can have a little time to go to school. And usually have to work so many hours to be able to make enough money to pay your bills that you don't have time to go look for another job. The minimum wage jobs are a hole that people get stuck in.
Dig yourself out or die miserable then.

Fuck dude.
 

superloud

Well-Known Member
Most people who start businesses don't have the money. That's why you start small and build. Offer simple services, save that coin to buy more tools and materials. I started mine with a few hundred bucks and it took many years to get my feet under me.

Start by washing windows or something (good money, super cheap to get into), and hit them up along the way for everything else you noticed they need fixing.

Opportunities are created, not stumbled upon.
I don't have time to do that though I work from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. 6 days a week. And when I get home my wife leaves for work and I stay home with my child. I don't know why you all keep on assuming that we're just lazy people that don't want to do anything. I am a very hard worker I just do not get paid fairly for the work that I do. Every company I have ever worked for said that there was room for advancement and raises but I've never gotten any more than a $0.22 yearly cost of living raise. All the positions in the factories I've worked at that do pay more instead of giving them to their employees that have been working for them for years learning the job they pull some college student off the street and give them the job. No room for me advance.
 

Uncle Ben

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See that's just it I did start with a name tag in Apollo 14 years ago and I'm still in a name tag in a polo. The problem is these minimum wage jobs are now careers for people because once you get into a minimum wage job you can't get away from it you don't make enough money to put it back so you can have a little time to go to school. And usually have to work so many hours to be able to make enough money to pay your bills that you don't have time to go look for another job. The minimum wage jobs are a hole that people get stuck in.
Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson or the thousands both immigrants and natives who worked their way from the gutter to the top of their careers realizing financial freedom.

Sorry, there is no such thing as fate, only.......

FAIL
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I don't have time to do that though I work from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. 6 days a week. And when I get home my wife leaves for work and I stay home with my child. I don't know why you all keep on assuming that we're just lazy people that don't want to do anything. I am a very hard worker I just do not get paid fairly for the work that I do. Every company I have ever worked for said that there was room for advancement and raises but I've never gotten any more than a $0.22 yearly cost of living raise. All the positions in the factories I've worked at that do pay more instead of giving them to their employees that have been working for them for years learning the job they pull some college student off the street and give them the job. No room for me advance.
What exactly are you good at doing?
 

superloud

Well-Known Member
Dig yourself out or die miserable then.

Fuck dude.
I've been digging. I do my day going by doing 10 times More work than all my fellow employees and doing it properly. I do my digging by trying to show that I am an asset to the company. But with the thousands and thousands of people out there in the same position is me I am NOT an asset I am a number. And I'm still young I'm hoping one day I can pull out of this and get my own company started working on houses but even when I am there I am still going to be having this argument with people because people need to be paired paid more fairly
 

superloud

Well-Known Member
Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson or the thousands both immigrants and natives who worked their way from the gutter to the top of their careers realizing financial freedom.

Sorry, there is no such thing as fate, only.......

FAIL
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Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson or the thousands both immigrants and natives who worked their way from the gutter to the top of their careers realizing financial freedom.

Sorry, there is no such thing as fate, only.......

FAIL
Who said anything about fate I'm not sitting here waiting for something to happen I'm working my ass off trying to make it happen and it's not because you all do not agree that my skill is worth money. See all my skill is worth is gas food and bills its not worth the money. But if I could work on computers then I would be able to pay my gas food bills and still have money.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
All this talk about how the corporate big shots steal your money. Bullshit, they don't have a legal foot to stand on and legally they're not stealing a damn thing they're not entitled to. There are no victims only volunteers unless you're under the strong arm of government thieves like the IRS and Obama who lawfully steal my money any way they can figure it out, give it to others and then take credit for "the good I did".

The following is the real world to a businessman:

BUSINESS OFFER
I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail. That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs. And the idiots in Washington and at RIU wonder why there are no new jobs.
 
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superloud

Well-Known Member
What exactly are you good at doing?
Well like I said earlier I'm good with customer service I'm good at dealing with people I'm good at problem solving I am good at coming up with ideas to make things easier and more efficient I'm good at remodeling home working with my hands good with. tolls
 

superloud

Well-Known Member
Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson or the thousands both immigrants and natives who worked their way from the gutter to the top of their careers realizing financial freedom.

Sorry, there is no such thing as fate, only.......

FAIL
I've actually had three different policies at my work changed that save the company money and made the production more efficient but I did not get any financial gain for doing so. I am a very valuable employee and a valuable asset to the company but companies do not care anymore we are numbers now and that is it.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Well like I said earlier I'm good with customer service I'm good at dealing with people I'm good at problem solving I am good at coming up with ideas to make things easier and more efficient I'm good at remodeling home working with my hands good with. tolls
Sounds like management to me. Management just takes some skills in dealing with people and problems. Go take your Boss' job by talking to HIS boss and revealing your worth to him.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I've actually had three different policies at my work changed that save the company money and made the production more efficient but I did not get any financial gain for doing so. I am a very valuable employee and a valuable asset to the company but companies do not care anymore we are numbers now and that is it.
Then start your own business. Before you do, be sure and read #532 just above. ;)
 

superloud

Well-Known Member
Sounds like management to me. Management just takes some skills in dealing with people and problems. Go take your Boss' job by talking to HIS boss and revealing your worth to him.
That's actualy who i went to is the british guy that ownes the company
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I've actually had three different policies at my work changed that save the company money and made the production more efficient but I did not get any financial gain for doing so. I am a very valuable employee and a valuable asset to the company but companies do not care anymore we are numbers now and that is it.
That's called politics. Same thing happened to me. My company had a feel good "save the company money" program where you stood before a board fielding questions regarding a written proposal you submitted to a committee that had to be backed up with facts and figures.

I never climbed the corporate ladder because I would never go along to get along. I found the good ol boy (latino) system corrupt, inept, and stupid, told them so, so I RIP (retired in place) and waited it out. Am now fat and happy on a farm enjoying my piece of paradise that I built. This contrary to the Liar in Chief who chortled like the fool he is, "you didn't build this".
 

Grandpapy

Well-Known Member
All this talk about how the corporate big shots steal your money. Bullshit, they don't have a legal foot to stand on and legally they're not stealing a damn thing they're not entitled to. There are no victims only volunteers unless you're under the strong arm of government thieves like the IRS and Obama who lawfully steal my money any way they can figure it out, give it to others and then take credit for "the good I did".

The following is the real world to a businessman:

BUSINESS OFFER
I'd like to make you a business offer. Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as you'll come to understand in a moment...

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do. I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in – as long as it's legal. But I can't give you any capital – you have to come up with that on your own. I won't give you any labor – that's definitely up to you. What I will do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in the affair: to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you make in the business, each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of course, that's half of your profits. You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all of the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my partner. It's only "fair."

Now... after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this business and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my 50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to cash out – to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" – some people never can afford to retire – is a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell out whenever you'd like, because our agreement says, if you sell, you have to pay me an additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that time.

I know... I know... you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks. You put in all of the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20% slice of the business. Oh... and one more thing…

Even after you've sold the business and paid all of my fees... I'd recommend buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is worth. After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance this expense for your children. All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur... if you're one of the rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ lots of people, and satisfy the public... you'll end up paying me more than 75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much. I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me... but it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail. That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? That's the offer America gives its entrepreneurs. And the idiots in Washington and at RIU wonder why there are no new jobs.
And once we partner up, I'll change the tax laws for you, hell, I'll even create some loopholes for you.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
And once we partner up, I'll change the tax laws for you, hell, I'll even create some loopholes for you.
That's only if your company has grown to be profitable and influential enough to afford a few billion in bribes each year. Otherwise its just bleed bleed bleed.
 
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