c_toke_420
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Thinking about going to soil from coco not having the best of luck this coco,anybody know of an easy successful soil mixture,that we'll be simple and easy?
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Dr. Who
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@c_toke_420
It don't get any easier then buying it......I do make my own, but am giving this a try for fun.
I've spoke to him about content and it pass's my concern's on content.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S1HRLPQ
Follow his directions that come with it and water only is yours!
It don't get any easier then buying it......I do make my own, but am giving this a try for fun.
I've spoke to him about content and it pass's my concern's on content.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S1HRLPQ
Follow his directions that come with it and water only is yours!
st0wandgrow
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$22 for a 5lb bag?? Wow, that could be the most expensive soil I've ever heard of.
Does it come with a gnome that trims your weed for you??
greasemonkeymann
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shit man, if it did, i'd happily pay 50 bucks for a 5lb er.$22 for a 5lb bag?? Wow, that could be the most expensive soil I've ever heard of.
Does it come with a gnome that trims your weed for you??
hate trimming...
greasemonkeymann
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vermifire can be water only, just add half cup of alfalfa and a half cup of neem meal,per bag, and presto!
water only, provided they aren't in tiny pots or veged for months
c_toke_420
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I mite have to look into that
Pattahabi
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Just an fyi, pretty sure Vermifire was bought out by Kellogg's (they should be nicknamed the biosolid company). I'd look to see a decline in the quality of their products. On a side note, General Hydroponics was sold to Monsanto.
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Pattahabi
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And do you like how they don't tell you anywhere what is actually in the soil? 100% organic ingredients that require pH down. Don't forget to fill your pots the rest of the way (approx 4/5) with sunshine or promix lmao!$22 for a 5lb bag?? Wow, that could be the most expensive soil I've ever heard of.
Does it come with a gnome that trims your weed for you??
But this is not a subtool stupid soil mix...
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st0wandgrow
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Proprietary mix. I'm sure it's well worth the ridiculous price tag.And do you like how they don't tell you anywhere what is actually in the soil? 100% organic ingredients that require pH down. Don't forget to fill your pots the rest of the way (approx 4/5) with sunshine or promix lmao!
But this is not a subtool stupid soil mix...
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makka
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S1HRLPQ
Looks suspiciously like Phil k avatar pic sure he said he has a store m makes his own soil lol
Looks suspiciously like Phil k avatar pic sure he said he has a store m makes his own soil lol
707humboldt
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Ocean forest it awesome. I use a 2/3 ocean 1/3 perlite mix. Its 10-12$ a bag here in Cali. The ph doesn't have to be adjusted and you don't have to feed for 2-3 weeks. I feed/water with a ph between 6.3-6.7 and the run off stays perfect. It has a lot of good nutrients already in it so I don't feed any thing for the first 2-3 weeks then start low with food, around 600 ppm and work my way up. Ive used it for almost 10 years with great results. I use coco was well in one of my other rooms.
Dr. Who
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I know, I know. It's not cheap!
@Pattahabi I have spoken with him directly.....I know whats in it I have been asked to not say......I can say I approve of it...
I'm trying it as soon as it arrives. (I'm doing a bit of testing with it.....gotta have fun right?)
The thing is he's just getting off the ground.....once established.....I would expect price's to drop.....
I also look at it like this......This is an easy way to introduce water only organic growing to many who might find making their own soil as,,,well,,,difficult at best....
BTW, I just spent yesterday bouncing around 3 different grow stores and 2 flower/greenhouse's digging up everything I need to build another 2 yards of mine.....It's getting labor intensive around here just to find everything you need. Yes, I did call around first......Hells bells,,,just finding who still had Canadian Peat was stupidly hard......frick'in every spring.....the same thing.
@Pattahabi I have spoken with him directly.....I know whats in it I have been asked to not say......I can say I approve of it...
I'm trying it as soon as it arrives. (I'm doing a bit of testing with it.....gotta have fun right?)
The thing is he's just getting off the ground.....once established.....I would expect price's to drop.....
I also look at it like this......This is an easy way to introduce water only organic growing to many who might find making their own soil as,,,well,,,difficult at best....
BTW, I just spent yesterday bouncing around 3 different grow stores and 2 flower/greenhouse's digging up everything I need to build another 2 yards of mine.....It's getting labor intensive around here just to find everything you need. Yes, I did call around first......Hells bells,,,just finding who still had Canadian Peat was stupidly hard......frick'in every spring.....the same thing.
Pattahabi
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I respect he is trying to start a business, but he didn't do his homework. Imo, Phil is missing the boat. He's still stuck in the subtool super soil mentallity. Where are most of the nutrients found in a natural soil, at the very bottom of where the roots can inhabit, or in the top several inches where organic matter is breaking down? Are we really going to fill the majority of our pots with peat and perlite? Is he using slaughter house byproducts? How where those EWC produced, and with what inputs? Etc, etc, etc, etc....
Then to come on the boards with the superiority complex, typing in all caps like a baffoon...
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st0wandgrow
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x 2 to all of that.I respect he is trying to start a business, but he didn't do his homework. Imo, Phil is missing the boat. He's still stuck in the subtool super soil mentallity. Where are most of the nutrients found in a natural soil, at the very bottom of where the roots can inhabit, or in the top several inches where organic matter is breaking down? Are we really going to fill the majority of our pots with peat and perlite? Is he using slaughter house byproducts? How where those EWC produced, and with what inputs? Etc, etc, etc, etc....
Then to come on the boards with the superiority complex, typing in all caps like a baffoon...
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I cringe every time I see someone on here trying to market a product....talking down to potential customers. Phil should have taken a business class instead of all the plant biology classes he slept through.
st0wandgrow
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Also, Phil (if you're reading this) I have a suggestion. Your soil should be sold by volume, not by weight. "5 lbs" is kinda arbitrary considering how much the moisture level of the soil can affect the weight. I always steer clear of soil, or castings that are sold by weight.
Dr. Who
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Being a farmer. I must say that to get any quality out of several crops. They have to root deeply, down to below the frost line.I respect he is trying to start a business, but he didn't do his homework. Imo, Phil is missing the boat. He's still stuck in the subtool super soil mentallity. Where are most of the nutrients found in a natural soil, at the very bottom of where the roots can inhabit, or in the top several inches where organic matter is breaking down? Are we really going to fill the majority of our pots with peat and perlite? Is he using slaughter house byproducts? How where those EWC produced, and with what inputs? Etc, etc, etc, etc....
Then to come on the boards with the superiority complex, typing in all caps like a baffoon...
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Down there, they have access to much better useable concentrations of P&K for fruiting. With out this zone of higher concentrated P&K,,,,we would not have corn in the way we do today for one.
With that said. I understand your point. Why should we have to layer anything...I don't get that either.....But, I still want to test his product.
The use of products to be made by ourselves for our own soil building is,,,well,,,,a rather passionate position.
I get the feeling that you grow veggianic (spelling ?). That is an admirable ability !!! Organic to the next level !!
I truely wish I could do that in all my growing. I simply can't.
The Farm is organic and the process we grow by is approved. To actually go veggie there is simply an impossibility. About the animal byproducts thing. I'll bet you use at least one of these, Crab meal, feather meal, oyster shell, fish emulsion, etc.. Even slaughter house byproducts,,are listed organic. Not everyone follows the same foot prints. I don't like Blood, bone or feather meal either, but I'm not going to condemn someone else for choosing to. At least they have chosen to give organics a try !
As far as my MM grows....There too is a major problem by volume alone.....I/we do produce my/our own EWC at one of our 3 farms in the co-op....There is plenty left for me to use in water only soil building for my MM...I do know what goes into that.....But If I were to attempt to go commercial with my soil formula.....Nope, I would have to buy components that I can not produce in volume.....
So then. I do not intend this to be an argument on differing opinions on just what organic is....
I just gave an option to those who haven't tried it because they don't have the time or desire to build their own soil in what ever way available for what ever reason, but still would like to try a water only grow....
Hopefully they will be impressed enough to make the move to research and find a mix recipe to go ahead and try it for themselves.
Just remember. it is organic, if just not your style. (I still give synthetic advise even though I don't use it anymore. Should I be condemned for that?)
Come on man...I respect you, a lot, and your point of view. I just don't agree with all of it.........We as organic growers need to bring people over from the Dark Side. Not spending time bickering about what acceptable organic is.
To everyone else
Here is a chance for you to try.....Go ahead if you want to....The link is in an above post.....It's not cheap, but it sure as hell is easy and better! I would love to see you get a foot in the door!
Doc
Pattahabi
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Absolutely not. It's stupid soils like this that keep people in the dark about what goes into their soil. It's for this reason biosolids are sold in "organic" soil mixes at an alarming rate. I'll be that guy and say we need to stop being lazy, and pay attention to what goes both into our food and our mmj. Who doesn't have time for that? And no, I don't grow veganic. That's another stupid marketing scheme to make kyle kushman rich.
While I understand people may not have the time or desire, or maybe they are just new to organics, even then, this would not be the best product for them to start with. The entire mentality is completely wrong. If there is one thing that is important in a soil, it's the humus content. Using promix for the vast majority of your soil mix is just plain dumb.
But hey, their soils will grow any strain, sativa, indica, or hybrid without any issues. You will never experience chemical burns, deficiencies, or be feeding un-needed nutrients to your plant! Our system not only allows your plant to eat as it chooses, it allows the plant to grow as fast and large as it's genetics are designed. Flowers grow in Kind Soil are the cleanest, best tasting, best smelling and strongest flowers you will ever grow WE GUARANTEE IT!
Those are some pretty absurd claims with a price tag to match...
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Dr. Who
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Maybe we should market our mix's.....Fill your pot,,,,stick in your plant and water.......Hmmm
bearkat42
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I buy this mix for my soil from eBay. It doesn't get any simpler than this. Simply add one scoop per gallon of soil (over 90 scoops worth in a bag) and then just water. And it's ready immediately, no "baking" of the soil necessary. I bought a bag just to try it out and I was so pleased with the results, that I bought 2 more bags. At the pace that I currently grow, that should last me over 5 years. I mix it with Roots Organic soil, if anyone cares.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320849076661
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320849076661