AN connoisseur hobbyist ph question (hydro)

[grimzuchini]

Hi All,

Been lurking the forums and really appreciate all the awesome advice on this forum. I just recently decided to give AN connoisseur oh perfect a try and I have mixed nutes both to the AN nutrient calculator and also at half and 3/4 strength. No matter what I change, the ph stays at 4.8 - 5.3. Normally I would think below 5.2 is an issue, but oddly enough the plants look wonderful. Is this ph normal for these nutes? Also, ever since I started adding the big bud (I'm on week 3) the ph stays at a much better 5.3-5.4. Anyways I just wanna see what others experience has been with this nute line.

 

[WeedFreak78]

I just started using it, I'm just the opposite..mixing between 1/4 and 1/2 strength( 1-2 ml/L) PH won't go below 6.7. I'm staring with decent tap water, 200ppm 7.6ph. I'm seeing what looks kinda like Ca or Mg issues. on old growth, new stuff looks good. Are you running RO? There isn't much of info out there on this stuff.

 

[JohnySmith1]

Set your water to pH neutral 7 before adding nutrients. Compensate for pH with phosphoric acid (pH down), and Potassium Silicate aka liquid silicone (pH up). Unless there are slow releasing pH buffers in your nutrients, pH shouldn't fluctuate.

 

[grimzuchini]

I just started using it, I'm just the opposite..mixing between 1/4 and 1/2 strength( 1-2 ml/L) PH won't go below 6.7. I'm staring with decent tap water, 200ppm 7.6ph. I'm seeing what looks kinda like Ca or Mg issues. on old growth, new stuff looks good. Are you running RO? There isn't much of info out there on this stuff.

Hi weed freak,

I noticed that most people have the same issue as you do. The higher ph problem rather than low ph problems. It seems like using RO water is the solution others give but I use RO filtered water @ 0-5 ppm and I still have the low ph problem. I also noticed that using ph up or down does not help because the buffers just move the ph right back to what it was before. With all that said, my plants look wonderful so I'll just keep going I suppose. I read that the nutes they supply are heavily chelated and thus alow for the nutes to be absorbed regardless of the ph being off. It is also the reason the nutes are so expensive. Anyhow I am still pretty puzzled. Hope your grow goes well despite the high ph. It hurts seeing my ph so low everytime I check so I know how you feel seeing it so high!

 

[WeedFreak78]

Set your water to pH neutral 7 before adding nutrients. Compensate for pH with phosphoric acid (pH down), and Potassium Silicate aka liquid silicone (pH up). Unless there are slow releasing pH buffers in your nutrients, pH shouldn't fluctuate.

*SIGH*..We're using PH perfect blends from AN..can't use PH up or down, the buffering agents are too strong

 

[WeedFreak78]

Hi weed freak,

I noticed that most people have the same issue as you do. The higher ph problem rather than low ph problems. It seems like using RO water is the solution others give but I use RO filtered water @ 0-5 ppm and I still have the low ph problem. I also noticed that using ph up or down does not help because the buffers just move the ph right back to what it was before. With all that said, my plants look wonderful so I'll just keep going I suppose. I read that the nutes they supply are heavily chelated and thus alow for the nutes to be absorbed regardless of the ph being off. It is also the reason the nutes are so expensive. Anyhow I am still pretty puzzled. Hope your grow goes well despite the high ph. It hurts seeing my ph so low everytime I check so I know how you feel seeing it so high!

I've made a couple posts about this stuff..other than a little burn every time i stepped up the nute strength, which the plant adjusted for within a day or so, everything is going along good. I might be investing in a RO, I've been trying to avoid it, but we're having water issues in town and there's alot of water main work going on this year. I'm already seeing huge fluctuations in my tap water..yay. All can say is the people who say " I just followed the bottle directions" seem to have the best luck. I wish AN would talk about it a little more in depth..I've called them twice and all i get is "follow the bottle directions, don't check ph/ppm..watch your plants, they'll tell you what they need". I'm pretty confident I'm going to try another nute brand that I can control ph/ppm myself..shit I spent $200+ on meters and now i don't really need them..lol.

 

[grimzuchini]

I've made a couple posts about this stuff..other than a little burn every time i stepped up the nute strength, which the plant adjusted for within a day or so, everything is going along good. I might be investing in a RO, I've been trying to avoid it, but we're having water issues in town and there's alot of water main work going on this year. I'm already seeing huge fluctuations in my tap water..yay. All can say is the people who say " I just followed the bottle directions" seem to have the best luck. I wish AN would talk about it a little more in depth..I've called them twice and all i get is "follow the bottle directions, don't check ph/ppm..watch your plants, they'll tell you what they need". I'm pretty confident I'm going to try another nute brand that I can control ph/ppm myself..shit I spent $200+ on meters and now i don't really need them..lol.

Amen brotha,
I'm going back to my old nutes as soon as I run out of these and will probably give fox farm a try. I'm tired of seeing awful ph's and just wanna go back to controlling everything myself.

 

[Dr. Who]

LMFAO!

AN =

Try something that doesn't empty your wallet so fast for this, that and the other supplement.

You can do just as good, even better with other nutrients...

When I play with synthetic nutrition (not very fuck'in much). I like Dyna Gro or Hesi for soil and Hesi for hydro.

With Hesi, drop the "roots and SuperVit" (for soil too) and use a Kelp extract (I like Age Old Kelp). Use as directed and be very happy!

In hydro pH every mourning at lights on to 5.8 - 6.2 (5.8 is the goal) with normal Up or Down products....I like Mad Farmers down and use Dyna Gro PRO-TEKT for up. In fact the use of a Silica in hydro is a good thing!

 

[WeedFreak78]

LMFAO!

AN =

Try something that doesn't empty your wallet so fast for this, that and the other supplement.

You can do just as good, even better with other nutrients...

When I play with synthetic nutrition (not very fuck'in much). I like Dyna Gro or Hesi for soil and Hesi for hydro.

With Hesi, drop the "roots and SuperVit" (for soil too) and use a Kelp extract (I like Age Old Kelp). Use as directed and be very happy!

In hydro pH every mourning at lights on to 5.8 - 6.2 (5.8 is the goal) with normal Up or Down products....I like Mad Farmers down and use Dyna Gro PRO-TEKT for up. In fact the use of a Silica in hydro is a good thing!

I'm no fan boy of AN..this is my first go, and the only reason I used it is because I got my buddy to buy the stuff, he thinks because it's a MJ specific nute it's gonna be the best. I agree with you, it's expensive, i had planned to go with GH 3part..but not now that they are owned by Scotts..Dyna grow or H&G look promising, I've read some stuff about Ionic (Iconic?) being some of the best for hydro..

From what I've read AN has changed formulas in the last few years and you don't need as many additives, the base A&B have many of the older additive added in...not that they don't still try selling the bundles..This new stuff is so chelated it's available from like 5-8 PH..which is why they so it's not necessary to adjust it yourself.

I'll be cloning what I have so I think a some point I'll do a side by side of this stuff and some cheaper 2 or 3 part..if i don't see some rather impressive differences, I won't use it again.

 

[Dr. Who]

I just have never liked the results of H&G.....and it is another very expensive nutrient line that asks you to add too many supplements.

Canna is great shit but again, DAMNED expensive.
Same for Cyco and too many supplements there too.

Hesi, when I run a hydro run for whatever reason, has always been the cleanest and best running synthetic I've ever used.
Damned easy too, as the bloom doesn't jump the P&K to high to early and cause P tox like many I see...

Like I said, Drop the Roots and the SuperVit. Use a Kelp extract.......I loved "Sea Green" in soil and I see they have a "hydro" formula out for that. I might be apt to try that after a quick call to the maker to see if it will reduce nutrient use like the soil one does....just so one didn't burn their plants.

Yeah, I like Hesi a lot.

Doc

 

[pk_boosted2]

Hi All,

Been lurking the forums and really appreciate all the awesome advice on this forum. I just recently decided to give AN connoisseur oh perfect a try and I have mixed nutes both to the AN nutrient calculator and also at half and 3/4 strength. No matter what I change, the ph stays at 4.8 - 5.3. Normally I would think below 5.2 is an issue, but oddly enough the plants look wonderful. Is this ph normal for these nutes? Also, ever since I started adding the big bud (I'm on week 3) the ph stays at a much better 5.3-5.4. Anyways I just wanna see what others experience has been with this nute line.

AN PH Perfect is exactly what it says "PH Perfect" the technology uses very chelated nutrients that are readily available to yur plants which allows them to be available and absorbed in a wider range. Therefore all you need to do is mix the nutrients and you are all set man. DO NOT USE * any other nutrients or additives besides the PH Perfect line otherwise it could interfere with the bases and throw everything off balance which gou do not want to happen.

With that said you also do not need to check the PPM's either as you will notice at small amounts they are really high numbers as well. With the Ph Perfect technology you dont need to check the PH or PPM just use the bottle label and obviousy start with 1/4 and work your way up during veg and bloom.

Ive used it for a few runs. I prefer using the Jungle Juice 2 part and balancing my PH and PPM manually and adding my own amendments and additives because the only downside to PH perfect is you have to just use the products it is made to be used in conjunction with or you throw everything out of sync.

The way it works is the nutrients are chelated and it also automatically balances ph in your medium or hydro as needed. Its pretty legit sh*t and produces very good results. BOL and HAPPY HARVESTS!

 

[pk_boosted2]

I just have never liked the results of H&G.....and it is another very expensive nutrient line that asks you to add too many supplements.

Canna is great shit but again, DAMNED expensive.
Same for Cyco and too many supplements there too.

Hesi, when I run a hydro run for whatever reason, has always been the cleanest and best running synthetic I've ever used.
Damned easy too, as the bloom doesn't jump the P&K to high to early and cause P tox like many I see...

Like I said, Drop the Roots and the SuperVit. Use a Kelp extract.......I loved "Sea Green" in soil and I see they have a "hydro" formula out for that. I might be apt to try that after a quick call to the maker to see if it will reduce nutrient use like the soil one does....just so one didn't burn their plants.

Yeah, I like Hesi a lot.

Doc

Bio 1 H&G i find to be really good products and work even better than their regular line up. Its organic as well and yield doesnt suffer at all.

Canna is my all time favorite and is second to none regarding yield and quality. You really pay for what you get!! The only expensive part of Canna line up is the Boost really and if you shop online for it you can find it for roughly half the cost of most shops and online retailers who are authorized suppliers.

There is no substitute for Canna Boost thats one of the best products out on the market. You use that in conjunction with H&G roots excelleratur and finish off the PK 13/14 and you easily get your money back with great quality, aroma and plenty of yield.

Only down side to Canna and most other bottle nutrient bases is I find that with many of the sativa and longer week phenos that they dont come with enough Nitrogen in their bases and supplementing small amounts of Nature's Nectar N for the first couple weeks @1/4 strength works wonders!!

 

[Dr. Who]

I've really used up all my synthetic's that were shelf sitting (wanted to clean up)......I haven't done any synthetic for the last 4 runs. No more experimenting with it......I just can't justify the added work and inability to stay out of the grow op with hydro and I still can not find any way that synthetic's in soil do not shoot you in the foot in some way.....

I just can't move away from water only organics.....Build you're soil and simply water and walk away......No ppm's, no pH, No measuring anything (except for making the soil) and your free......I can go on vacations! Simply set the auto watering system or have an employee stop by and water before going in the shops!

But yeah, if you do run hydro.....
I still don't like H&G....personal choice!

Canna
Hesi
Cyco

And I still spend less building soil!

Doc

 

[pk_boosted2]

I've really used up all my synthetic's that were shelf sitting (wanted to clean up)......I haven't done any synthetic for the last 4 runs. No more experimenting with it......I just can't justify the added work and inability to stay out of the grow op with hydro and I still can not find any way that synthetic's in soil do not shoot you in the foot in some way.....

I just can't move away from water only organics.....Build you're soil and simply water and walk away......No ppm's, no pH, No measuring anything (except for making the soil) and your free......I can go on vacations! Simply set the auto watering system or have an employee stop by and water before going in the shops!

But yeah, if you do run hydro.....
I still don't like H&G....personal choice!

Canna
Hesi
Cyco

And I still spend less building soil!

Doc

Everyone has their own methods to get to the end result which is good yields and quality flowers. Its a never ending argument and noone is right or wrong. Super soils r the latest thing that ppl seem to be raving about bcuz its simple to do. I find that many of the more experienced growers and commercial growers use bottled synthetic nutrients that produce high yields and high quality flowers. Prob w super soils is ur limited to control and fixing problems bcuz ur just watering and hoping the mix is in proper ratios and giving plants what they need but without knowing for sure its harder to make adjustments. Where as when ur feeding everytime by hand u can make adjustments and control problems alot easier bcuz u know what u r giving ur plants every single time u feed.

I prefer mixing my nutrients at every feeding and hand watering as i find that i have more control over my garden and i can add or limit things as needed and if problems arise they r easier to resolve.

But either way its all preference i know many ppl who swear by super soil or amended soils they often provide very high quality flowers but yield usually suffers. Its just what comes w going organic w amended soils. I grow for yield and quality and would sacrifice growing a 9 out of 10 opposed to a 10 out of 10 if i can get an extra 25% yield u know. BOL

 

[a mongo frog]

Bio 1 H&G i find to be really good products and work even better than their regular line up. Its organic as well and yield doesnt suffer at all.

Canna is my all time favorite and is second to none regarding yield and quality. You really pay for what you get!! The only expensive part of Canna line up is the Boost really and if you shop online for it you can find it for roughly half the cost of most shops and online retailers who are authorized suppliers.

There is no substitute for Canna Boost thats one of the best products out on the market. You use that in conjunction with H&G roots excelleratur and finish off the PK 13/14 and you easily get your money back with great quality, aroma and plenty of yield.

Only down side to Canna and most other bottle nutrient bases is I find that with many of the sativa and longer week phenos that they dont come with enough Nitrogen in their bases and supplementing small amounts of Nature's Nectar N for the first couple weeks @1/4 strength works wonders!!

Your not a work sir. If one has sub par root system then i guess roots excel (I think GH has a better rooting enhancer, thats just me). Please every one don't fall for the root enhancer bottles. Start with great roots and you golden.

 

[Dr. Who]

Everyone has their own methods to get to the end result which is good yields and quality flowers. Its a never ending argument and noone is right or wrong. Super soils r the latest thing that ppl seem to be raving about bcuz its simple to do. I find that many of the more experienced growers and commercial growers use bottled synthetic nutrients that produce high yields and high quality flowers. Prob w super soils is ur limited to control and fixing problems bcuz ur just watering and hoping the mix is in proper ratios and giving plants what they need but without knowing for sure its harder to make adjustments. Where as when ur feeding everytime by hand u can make adjustments and control problems alot easier bcuz u know what u r giving ur plants every single time u feed.

I prefer mixing my nutrients at every feeding and hand watering as i find that i have more control over my garden and i can add or limit things as needed and if problems arise they r easier to resolve.

But either way its all preference i know many ppl who swear by super soil or amended soils they often provide very high quality flowers but yield usually suffers. Its just what comes w going organic w amended soils. I grow for yield and quality and would sacrifice growing a 9 out of 10 opposed to a 10 out of 10 if i can get an extra 25% yield u know. BOL

I am a MM commercial grower.....I can just about exactly match your yields......I've done it all and always go back to Water only organic's.....It took awhile to dial in my soil, just as it took you time to dial in your synthetic method you run today.....I bet it took me less runs to get mine dialed in then yours! I don't have to "adjust" to the plant as mine never have to. Everything they need is right there in the soil......It runs hot.....The tips get the "tip burn" that say's to me I'm "pushing" them just as hard as I can with out going over the "too much cliff". My plants do not yellow at the end of cycle because I pump to much P&K in to "maximize" anything....Yet again.....I'll bet my yields are only minor grams off yours per plant!

As far as 9 out of 10...your right, that could only be yield as around here it's only organic that makes the top shelf and commands the higher price.......So you do need that higher yield to match my returns.......

I have control over my garden....it's all in the soil.....It makes no mistakes. I don't have to adjust....I never pH and haven't for years! Don't have pH problems

I find this line as patently absurd. " I find that many of the more experienced growers and commercial growers use bottled synthetic nutrients that produce high yields and high quality flowers."

Around me, it's the commercial (long time) growers that use water only organic's.
It's the newbie and novice guys that are looking for what they think is a short cut to growing.....It's not.

So then, we have voiced our differing opinions.

They are like Dems and Reps, at the opposite end of the bar....That's fine, and I respect yours.....Do not feel offended as I meant none...

But I'm right...
on

Doc