thenotsoesoteric
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I had an Ice pheno from nirvana that was superb weed and could withstand 90 degree temps like a champ, indoors. But outside the ice would not really produce. Great buds, potency and flavor.
Clone only strains
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Nate Dogg
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I love GC especially outdoors its the same cut we've ran the past 3 years just so happenedbwe mothered one this year to lower costs then the dude dissappears so were lucky we did or the specific cut we have would be lost all the gc cuts ive gotten from other sources smell like gc but have airy sativa style nugs not the round rock hard nugs this cut has outdoor comes out looking like indoor and reeks like candy mango
shishkaboy
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Check this out
I have been doing a lot of digging on the chem 91 and sour diesel lineage.I totally understand that there is a lot of speculation about the lineages and that I was not there when it happened. i am just reporting my observations.
Lifted from the 91 chem thread on ic
"Hey Good Ole Dog...do you have any pics of the Chem Sister cut?
Also...do you think ChemDawg D is a Chem '91 hybrid vs. the other story out there?
On one more note...I remember you were looking for the Chem #4 cut awhile back...that cut, in my opinion, is just another Chem '91 hybrid and not what is was touted as."
Then ,
"I grew the ChemDawg #1, #2, #3, & #4...all of those cuts are clearly sisters. When I grew Chem D & Chem Sister...neither of those cuts match up with the 1-4...obviously not sister cuts.
In comparison the '91 ChemDawg in this thread looks & feels more like a mother cut to most or all of them...versus a sister. With this thread in mind...there are, at least, 3 or 4 other supposed '91 ChemDawg cuts in circulation...none of which match up at all with the 1-4 or the D.
I'm not the only one who feels or thinks this way. I've known all of this for at least 5 or 6 years but bit my lip because I have respect for certain members of the "Chemdog family". Even so, I think it's time we all knew the truth and why it was neccesary to extensively lie about all of this.
These are just my two bits...I'm sure there are others who can help fill in some blanks...Good Ol' Dog?
P.S.~ Just for the record...I 'think' Good Ole Dog is one of the good guys."
This brings me to the origins of sour diesel
From the chem dawg history thread
"Brief background: This thread was started by H&L and edited by JJ-NYC.
At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.
In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'.
In 1992, JJ became friends with the Weasel in central park. Sometime in 1992-93 the Weasel met Chemdog at a Phish show. They traded clones and he brought the Mass. Super Skunk and 91 Chemdog back with him to New York City and renamed the 91 Chem, "Diesel". Sour Diesel and Under Dawg came out of these clones."
I remember when "diesel" hit the NY smoker scene. It brought about a whole new flavor and smell that was so stank but alluring still.
I was looking through a photo album on ic today and found a very telling pic of the DNL. I believe Reserva Privada got it right. i have heard that they used somas g13 haze male and hit the 91 then backcrossed to the 91 to make the sour, but from the pics I have seen. I looks like 91 x dnl to me.
91
Dnl
Rp sour d (by me)
I have been doing a lot of digging on the chem 91 and sour diesel lineage.I totally understand that there is a lot of speculation about the lineages and that I was not there when it happened. i am just reporting my observations.
Lifted from the 91 chem thread on ic
"Hey Good Ole Dog...do you have any pics of the Chem Sister cut?
Also...do you think ChemDawg D is a Chem '91 hybrid vs. the other story out there?
On one more note...I remember you were looking for the Chem #4 cut awhile back...that cut, in my opinion, is just another Chem '91 hybrid and not what is was touted as."
Then ,
"I grew the ChemDawg #1, #2, #3, & #4...all of those cuts are clearly sisters. When I grew Chem D & Chem Sister...neither of those cuts match up with the 1-4...obviously not sister cuts.
In comparison the '91 ChemDawg in this thread looks & feels more like a mother cut to most or all of them...versus a sister. With this thread in mind...there are, at least, 3 or 4 other supposed '91 ChemDawg cuts in circulation...none of which match up at all with the 1-4 or the D.
I'm not the only one who feels or thinks this way. I've known all of this for at least 5 or 6 years but bit my lip because I have respect for certain members of the "Chemdog family". Even so, I think it's time we all knew the truth and why it was neccesary to extensively lie about all of this.
These are just my two bits...I'm sure there are others who can help fill in some blanks...Good Ol' Dog?
P.S.~ Just for the record...I 'think' Good Ole Dog is one of the good guys."
This brings me to the origins of sour diesel
From the chem dawg history thread
"Brief background: This thread was started by H&L and edited by JJ-NYC.
At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.
In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'.
In 1992, JJ became friends with the Weasel in central park. Sometime in 1992-93 the Weasel met Chemdog at a Phish show. They traded clones and he brought the Mass. Super Skunk and 91 Chemdog back with him to New York City and renamed the 91 Chem, "Diesel". Sour Diesel and Under Dawg came out of these clones."
I remember when "diesel" hit the NY smoker scene. It brought about a whole new flavor and smell that was so stank but alluring still.
I was looking through a photo album on ic today and found a very telling pic of the DNL. I believe Reserva Privada got it right. i have heard that they used somas g13 haze male and hit the 91 then backcrossed to the 91 to make the sour, but from the pics I have seen. I looks like 91 x dnl to me.
91
Dnl
Rp sour d (by me)
Nate Dogg
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Exactly how ours grow they get huge but the nugs never got that big just rock hard lil nuggets up the stock almost like og or cookies quantity isnt its strong point but the taste and smell is ridiculously good like hash that got sprayed by a skunk then dipped in tropical fruit candy syrup they got the biggest out of everything and we averaged 2.5 i still have people hittin me up for it
Nate Dogg
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Theyre not the best yielders but the quality is amazing and they grow so fast the high from this pheno is very indica leaning spacey couch lock and narcotic i love it for my back pain and anxiety this strain works wonders for it our pheno really doesnt like "fimming" we stunted one doing that but they seem to respond well to topping i wish i had some pics or at least some nug left for pics they didnt get as tall as my tahoe og seedling but they deff get tall as hell and wide as fuck if you train em right
Nate Dogg
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the high temp. where we were at was 116 and they didn't stress to much unlike our purple kush she hated the heat with a passion
Capt. Stickyfingers
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The original diesel that dna uses in their sour d, sour kush, and such is not chem 91. That is somewhat common knowledge with no conspiracy behind it. I have the chem d cut, 91 skunk va cut, and a pheno of fuel (dna's original diesel cut x chem d bx) that is straight diesel and lacks any influence from chem d. Trust me, dna's original diesel is not chem 91. I don't know who you quoted, but that's the first I've heard of a claim that 4 and the D are chem hybrids and (IMO) not really a theory worth entertaining. You're trying to crack a mystery that's not even a mystery. If I were you, I'd just enjoy what I have and stop frying my brain trying to compare a bag seed from dna's sour d to chem 91. There's better stuff out there than the 91 cut anyway. It's great, but not the holy grail.
shishkaboy
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So are you saying that DNA/RP don't really have the chem 91 cut or the DNL cut?
Is it impossible that they remade the packs?
Or maybe even mixed up the names.
What I quoted is from a very well known and respected dude on ic and many others think the same thing.
I think you may be misunderstanding my intentions, even though all the clone onlys came from bagseeds at one point. Most of them not done by established breeders like DNA.
I am not comparing my rp bagseed to chem 91. I am comparing it to chem 91's offspring (sour diesel). I am only using the skunk va to illustrate where the bud structure and smell MUST come from. I am showing you the rest of the puzzle with the DNL, the construction of the sour d that I know so well in these here NY streets. The one that many people would love in seed form. I am just proving my point with pics of my personal grow and speculating on on the lineage, since we cannot believe what is on the package right?
Why do you feel the need to respond to all my posts on riu and ic if I even mention the 91. You know I dont have it so just ignore me. I got that sour though.
If anyone thinks I am talking out my ass just listen to JJ-nyc on the Adam Dunn show tell you then.
1:21:00 in they call JJ.
Joedank
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capt is well read on the subject , not sure why he would troll you..
your kinda in my wheelhouse here too . i love the sour and have bred with her alot ...DNA has not claimed to "recreate the sour" but they sell female sour breeding in denver with the REAL cut "WHY IASK" cuz the real cut is that much better than their efforts . when sprayed with silver and pollen used the sour creates a RANGE of flavors from fule to trpical fruit. but when used as a pollen reciver the airyness anD end extra long flower times come out...
JJ dont really seem to know about the sour cuz he did not breed it . weasel did ...
your kinda in my wheelhouse here too . i love the sour and have bred with her alot ...DNA has not claimed to "recreate the sour" but they sell female sour breeding in denver with the REAL cut "WHY IASK" cuz the real cut is that much better than their efforts . when sprayed with silver and pollen used the sour creates a RANGE of flavors from fule to trpical fruit. but when used as a pollen reciver the airyness anD end extra long flower times come out...
JJ dont really seem to know about the sour cuz he did not breed it . weasel did ...
Capt. Stickyfingers
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I never said they don't have the 91.
Who is this well respected member you're quoting saying chem d and 4 aren't real chems?
You've compared your bagseed to chem 91 more than a few times.
I've responded to only a couple of your posts. Exaggerate much?
You don't "got that sour". You have bagseed from dna's sour d cross.
Finally, i'm trying to help your ass out. I even offered you cuts in a pm if you ever made it this way, remember? So have a good one.
akhiymjames
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Hey @shishkaboy did your RP Sour D come from fem or reg seeds cus they used to offer the Sour D in regs? If it came from reg seeds I can see why your questioning it as it looks like you have a DNL leaning pheno.
shishkaboy
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You also basically cursed me out in this very thread when I gave @kgp a tip hat on his og knowledge. Its all for the public to see. All of this is. Sorry I didnt not accept your offer for cuts, but the way you spoke to me made me take it as a joke of course I am sorry if I offended anyone. But I am entitled to my opinion and if presented with enough evidence any argument should be entertained and critically thought about.
@Joedank If it is not known who I am quoting then not well read enough. If you wanna see proof of the trolling just search my name and rp sour d, on riu and ic if I mention them I basically get called out. Last time it happend was in the chem 91 thread when I was talking to mack 10, I showed my photo and asked if it looked sour. Then when I revealed where it was from, he tried to make it look like I was derailing the thread.
Well I really dont care what he thinks I know what I am looking at, he's a big boy he knows what he said to me and he can handle himself.
I made this post last night and not even a half a day goes by and here we go again. I aint exaggerating. All he has to do is post a pic of the 91 and a pic of the chem 4 to shut me up.
@akhiymjames It cannot be a DNL leaning pheno because according to Capitan Chem the dnl had nothing to do with the cross, even tho the resemblance is uncanny.
I just found some pictures of the dnl last night and figure I would share, I will just keep it to myself next time. Sorry guys, this dude is buggin me.
No I dont want your cuts.
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mdjenks
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Chem Dog #4 is real as it did come from the original "chemdawg" ounce, we all know the story so that is as far as i am going to go with it.
Anyway I took the pic from shiskaboys post and compared it to my last run of chem dog 4 and they are very very similar, the second pic is my chem dog #4 from DHN, mine is much more frosty but the structure is the same:
And what exactly is DNL, is it suppose to be Sour Diesel, if that is the case that pic is not as I have seen Sour Diesel grown to completion and that pic is an exact representation of Chem Dog #4? And how could someone grow 1,2,3,4 when only 4 was the keeper pheno? I am confused. That DNL looks just like Chem Dog #4.
I believe this statement: "@akhiymjames It cannot be a DNL leaning pheno because according to Capitan Chem the dnl had nothing to do with the cross, even tho the resemblance is uncanny."
Anyway I took the pic from shiskaboys post and compared it to my last run of chem dog 4 and they are very very similar, the second pic is my chem dog #4 from DHN, mine is much more frosty but the structure is the same:
And what exactly is DNL, is it suppose to be Sour Diesel, if that is the case that pic is not as I have seen Sour Diesel grown to completion and that pic is an exact representation of Chem Dog #4? And how could someone grow 1,2,3,4 when only 4 was the keeper pheno? I am confused. That DNL looks just like Chem Dog #4.
I believe this statement: "@akhiymjames It cannot be a DNL leaning pheno because according to Capitan Chem the dnl had nothing to do with the cross, even tho the resemblance is uncanny."
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mdjenks
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On another note I am having to super crop the fuck out of the my accidental cross (actually made from my buddy accidentally from chernobyl pollinating the goji og) Sector7G because she is stretching like a mofo and I really don't want to have to chop all three down for being to big for my grow cab/tent (I have a tent inside of a cab and it works amazing). I had to get rid of all my DHN Sour D's due to them being to stretchy and bushy but I am intent on keeping this cross because I am hoping for a stable pheno of the cross and so is my buddy.
And I am getting a little use to my strains I have on hand although I am still enjoying the Chem Dog #4 very much, actually I enjoy all my strains I have on hand like the Hex, BLZ Bud, GC/DQ, Chernobyl, romulan, mazar, etc. Anyway I went out and bought a bit of Platinum Bubba Kush that was tested at 25% and it is extremely good and frosty as hell.
First pic is scars from super cropping and the second is the PBK I bought.
And I am getting a little use to my strains I have on hand although I am still enjoying the Chem Dog #4 very much, actually I enjoy all my strains I have on hand like the Hex, BLZ Bud, GC/DQ, Chernobyl, romulan, mazar, etc. Anyway I went out and bought a bit of Platinum Bubba Kush that was tested at 25% and it is extremely good and frosty as hell.
First pic is scars from super cropping and the second is the PBK I bought.
shishkaboy
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I think spraying the DNL and hitting the 91 with that pollen is worth a shot.
Does anyone know how many were popped to find the sour?
mdjenks
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I have no Idea but Sour D is a great strain and I'm sure it has Chem in its lineage as it has a lot of chem strain traits.
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AlphaPhase
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I like sour diesels. I thought chem was used to make sour d and OG's? But what do I know 
I like all of them though. I just dusted some fem chem pollin on some stuff. Infamous strains like chemdawg will always have an influence, I guess it doesn't matter so much as who found it, it's that we have it and that's what matters.
I like all of them though. I just dusted some fem chem pollin on some stuff. Infamous strains like chemdawg will always have an influence, I guess it doesn't matter so much as who found it, it's that we have it and that's what matters.