Anyone know about "household totals" i.e. OMMP + new legal status...

[Humanrob]

Curious if anyone knows if the new Oregon legalization has taken into account OMMP growers. I think the new law says that each (non-OMMP) "household" can have up to four plants -- it is not an individual right of people, per se, the limiting factor is determined per location/property/household.

I'm just curious how they are dealing with OMMP households -- if my wife is an OMMP grower, can she have her six while I separately grow four more as a regular citizen?

Given what I've heard that the overriding intention of the law is to create a set of limitations, I'm going to say I doubt any household can have 10 mature plants. On the other hand, there is a precedence in allowing for an OMMP grower to hold up to four patient cards... implying that total number limitations are looked at differently for OMMP grow sites...

I'm curious if anyone knows the facts? Or if it has even been addressed yet?

 

[Dadioski]

Good questions, I am getting ready to do some outdoor backyard stuff and have not dug into the details. Was thinking/hoping each individual could have 4 plants. Guess I better get informed.

 

[Humanrob]

It's my outdoor grow that I'm prepping for that made this relevant. I'm not trying to be greedy, but given that this is my first outdoor grow and I live in a micro-climate that is not conducive to plants finishing successfully (wind, rain, freezing, bugs, etc.), and I also only get about 6 hours of direct sunlight in the yard per day... I'm thinking that between 10 plants I might get a year's worth of meds for my patient, and not have to grow indoors next winter -- but it could take starting with 10 and seeing what actually makes it all the way. When in doubt, more is better.

 

[Dadioski]

I should be receiving my Auto flower seeds any day now, going to give that a try. Did the backyard thing several times before. It can be hit and miss in parts of Oregon due to weather, last year was one of the best but not typical. So I am going to put autos in the ground 1st of June and they should finish up in 75 days or so before the worm has a chance to turn, so to speak.
Have never grown autos before, so I'm anxious to see how they go and if the meds are any good.

 

[calicocalyx]

I think they're figuring it out right now. But if I have my medicine and am growing others' medicine, my roommate should still be able to have 4 plants. We need to keep the OMMP separate from legal rec plants in terms of regulation. Medicine is not recreation. My lady wants her 4 plants too, and I think we'll put them out with the med.

 

[Dadioski]

That's what I was planning on too.

 

[Humanrob]

We need to keep the OMMP separate from legal rec plants in terms of regulation. Medicine is not recreation.

I agree -- I hope that's the way it happens.

 

[Evil Bud]

I was told in a cannabis business seminar by a well known cannabis lawyer that legally you have your paperwork showing the limit you are allowed to grow (6-24 depending on how many additional patients). And 91 rec allows 4 plants per household no matter the amount of adults. That being said there is nothing in either program that addresses the issue. So I personally plan to do my 4 additional rec plants Until informed otherwise. Just sayin

 

[Humanrob]

...That being said there is nothing in either program that addresses the issue. So I personally plan to do my 4 additional rec plants Until informed otherwise. Just sayin

I am not a lawyer, but it makes sense to me that if the issue is not directly addressed, then there is no reason to assume there is an overlap and the two laws should be applicable separately. In other words, an OMMP card has its limits separate from the household recreational limits.

I guess we'll have to keep an eye on things to see if its addressed directly.

 

[mygirls]

keep medical from rec. what crap.. how are you going to keep it separate if your medical and your roommate is not and he can grow 4 plant rights next to yours.. this is per house hold not per house hold unless there is medical marijuana grow site their. you must not have herd, they are wanting to offer medical marijuana dispensary to either go medical or rec. as they have no supply for rec. marijuana when they set the guide lines..

 

[mygirls]

I was told in a cannabis business seminar by a well known cannabis lawyer that legally you have your paperwork showing the limit you are allowed to grow (6-24 depending on how many additional patients). And 91 rec allows 4 plants per household no matter the amount of adults. That being said there is nothing in either program that addresses the issue. So I personally plan to do my 4 additional rec plants Until informed otherwise. Just sayin

if you your own medical marijuana then you can not grow 4 plant for rec. why jeopardize something that's not even started yet

 

[calicocalyx]

well, it's fairly easy to count my 6 plants with a posted card, and count a room mates 4 plants. I don't see the problem keeping it separate. I have heard that seattle is getting rid of their med grows, so are we to expect the same thing? Sure from a dispensary point of view lines are blurred but from a cultivation point of view it's easy to distinguish. I think this is to be anticipated that households will have 4 more plants regardless of med status. My right to med is not the same as my room mate's right to rec. Having 4 more plants doesn't jeopardize an entire state's right to have both programs. If the man shows up, very easy to prove whose plants belong to which people. If you can count to 6 and read, then problem solved. If we don't keep them separate, make a distinction between the 2 then watch as med goes away and limits are dropped, I don't see that happening if research validates the medical use of the herb. Washington has made some mis steps in how the handled their laws, I am hoping oregon doesn't do the same. I think $1000 permits is what you need to sell rec herb to the stores right? So everything else is sold med, and not to make a profit but to cover costs. In theory anyway.

 

[mygirls]

I heard not, but in all fairness they should lift the fee for medical if growing rec. marijuana is fee free.. makes no sence. if the state want revenue then they should charge a fee for all grows in Oregon,

 

[Dadioski]

Good point had not thought of that.

 

[calicocalyx]

It is curious as to how they will be regulating growing personal rec plants. I know they are hiring more officers and I think that means at some point there will be a recorded database with all known rec grows. But really there is one for the med, and I have had my card for almost 10 years and not once been checked. So with that in mind I bet it's going to be more along the lines of complaining neighbors and plants within public view, basically they'll be working the easier situations as I'm sure they'll be understaffed to handle so many oregonians growing bud. Imagine a chopper counting all the backyard grows and loggin it in, going to be a headache to regulate, I'd imagine anyway. More incidental regulation than anything else. They'll focus more on the commercial grows as oregon will make a bunch of money off those permits.

 

[stsin]

When I called the people in charge of recreational pot a few months ago, they said that you can't combine medical and recreational you only get 6 plants not 6 +4 (which makes little sense as the way medical laws are written they specifically exempt us from state laws so at the very least you'll have a good challenge in state court....) We'll see when they finally do hammer out the rules, but for the time being, keep yourself to 6 plants if you want to guarantee your freedom.

 

[mygirls]

When I called the people in charge of recreational pot a few months ago, they said that you can't combine medical and recreational you only get 6 plants not 6 +4 (which makes little sense as the way medical laws are written they specifically exempt us from state laws so at the very least you'll have a good challenge in state court....) We'll see when they finally do hammer out the rules, but for the time being, keep yourself to 6 plants if you want to guarantee your freedom.

that's all I will do and well ever do.

 

[Humanrob]

It is curious as to how they will be regulating growing personal rec plants. I know they are hiring more officers and [1] I think that means at some point there will be a recorded database with all known rec grows. But really there is one for the med, and I have had my card for almost 10 years and not once been checked. So with that in mind I bet it's going to be more along the lines of complaining neighbors and [2] plants within public view, basically they'll be working the easier situations as I'm sure they'll be understaffed [3] to handle so many oregonians growing bud. Imagine a chopper counting all the backyard grows and loggin it in, going to be a headache to regulate, I'd imagine anyway. More incidental regulation than anything else. They'll focus more on the commercial grows as oregon will make a bunch of money off those permits.

[1] Why do you think there would be a recorded database?
[2] I know that med grows can't be in public view, but have you read/heard that rec grows also can't be in public view?
[3] I think this may end out being something that is specific to towns and cities, and local political climate regarding pot and how they (in general) respond to ordinance violations. Sort of a stretch, but for instance I know that my town has a law that you can't have a fence or a border hedge that is taller than 6', but you can drive all over town and see obvious border hedges that are 10' and taller. I assume if someone complained, there might be a citation given, but there simply is no local funding for a "hedge police". Lake Oswego might actually assign some officers to specifically be in charge of recreational grower oversight, but I would assume most cities won't allocate funding unless it becomes a problem.
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Cities will apparently be able to zone retail outlet locations, but I don't think that they can outlaw individual recreational growing, or set their own city count limits. I'm sure that will come up if it has not already. It will probably take years before all the details are in place, and different interests (municipal and individual) stop petitioning for additional clarification or regulatory powers.

My brother is in the wine biz, and he says the OLCC is very slow to move in terms of granting new licenses. He thinks that if they move as slowly with pot licenses as they do with liquor, the industry is going to grow at a very slow pace.

 

[calicocalyx]

I just foresee a database at some point, given enough interaction with law enforcement. As it is now with medical, there isn't a published list of med grows but the police can look up individual addresses and benton county where I am, is known to fish for info just driving around punching in addresses. I just think if they are aware of plants, I would assume they would record it for reference. So maybe not a data base per se, but any plants are noted and counted. And yeah it will boil down to local enforcement for personal grows, and more deliberate attention on the commercial ones. You're right in that the next few years there will be a lot to figure out and change/improve with the law. And it might now be that you have to have plants out of public view, but certainly if the man can see, he is coming in.

 

[Dadioski]

I suspect medical licenses and grows will in time go away and rely on the rec rules for personal growing, it kinda makes sense. They want to get a handle on the current "medical" grows that are producing 25 lbs. + per year with some in the 100's of pounds and a few in the 1000's of pounds. They cannot inspect these grows without a warrant and have no current guidelines for tracking sales to dispensaries, or surplus, that goes to black market. I'm sure they want to get a handle on this. I'm betting that medical goes away to be replaced by recreational in a general view. But they are not going to screw the dispensaries, they will roll them over to recreational sales and phase out medical. In the new law they want to be able to track from seed/plant to point of sale, so this will involve regular inspections etc. if you are a licensed grower, processor, etc.
I also heard that lawmakers are thinking of letting dispensaries start selling recreational July 1. If they do that with no prior provisions for extra bud requirements we could see prices soar, and this would also push current medical grows beyond legal limits to support the additional volume. We might get back to 4k or higher for a pound. This would drive the medical patients crazy. Oh well, all fun speculation.