Sea-of-Green: Grams per inch thread

[Lord Kanti]

I searched for "grams per inch" and ended up here. I'll post my thoughts and questions, and if the a mod wants to move this, so be it.

I never really thought of my grow as "sea of green" but I suppose it could be considered so. I'm growing in a 4'^3 area (maybe taller) 21 plants laid out in a grid, different strains, different sizes, all starting from 4 individual 6-8" cut clones. They have been under a 24/7 photo vegetation period for the past six months. I plan on flipping the largest, non-mother plants this month or soon after.

My concern is that after 6 months the plants are (only) 14" from the first node to the tip. I have been worried for quite some time, but then realized, especially after reading this thread, that a lot of growers only grow a single cola. I pinch off the newest growth at the tip when I feel necessary and the plant now has apx. 16 even sized colas.

If the average SoG starts with an 8" single cola plant when starting flower, then each of my larger plants are an equivalent of 28 smaller plants. Give or take.

I have to go right now, but will be back, so since I do not have time right this second to continue on with the rest of my thoughts and questions, I figure I ought to ask if a 14" bush of Blue Dream is about right after 6 months? I've been told that the quality is always above and beyond, but sometimes I wish the quantity were as well...

 

[Hot Diggity Sog]

I searched for "grams per inch" and ended up here. I'll post my thoughts and questions, and if the a mod wants to move this, so be it.

I never really thought of my grow as "sea of green" but I suppose it could be considered so. I'm growing in a 4'^3 area (maybe taller) 21 plants laid out in a grid, different strains, different sizes, all starting from 4 individual 6-8" cut clones. They have been under a 24/7 photo vegetation period for the past six months. I plan on flipping the largest, non-mother plants this month or soon after.

My concern is that after 6 months the plants are (only) 14" from the first node to the tip. I have been worried for quite some time, but then realized, especially after reading this thread, that a lot of growers only grow a single cola. I pinch off the newest growth at the tip when I feel necessary and the plant now has apx. 16 even sized colas.

If the average SoG starts with an 8" single cola plant when starting flower, then each of my larger plants are an equivalent of 28 smaller plants. Give or take.

I have to go right now, but will be back, so since I do not have time right this second to continue on with the rest of my thoughts and questions, I figure I ought to ask if a 14" bush of Blue Dream is about right after 6 months? I've been told that the quality is always above and beyond, but sometimes I wish the quantity were as well...

Pictures?

 

[weedenhanced]

I searched for "grams per inch" and ended up here. I'll post my thoughts and questions, and if the a mod wants to move this, so be it.

I never really thought of my grow as "sea of green" but I suppose it could be considered so. I'm growing in a 4'^3 area (maybe taller) 21 plants laid out in a grid, different strains, different sizes, all starting from 4 individual 6-8" cut clones. They have been under a 24/7 photo vegetation period for the past six months. I plan on flipping the largest, non-mother plants this month or soon after.

My concern is that after 6 months the plants are (only) 14" from the first node to the tip. I have been worried for quite some time, but then realized, especially after reading this thread, that a lot of growers only grow a single cola. I pinch off the newest growth at the tip when I feel necessary and the plant now has apx. 16 even sized colas.

If the average SoG starts with an 8" single cola plant when starting flower, then each of my larger plants are an equivalent of 28 smaller plants. Give or take.

I have to go right now, but will be back, so since I do not have time right this second to continue on with the rest of my thoughts and questions, I figure I ought to ask if a 14" bush of Blue Dream is about right after 6 months? I've been told that the quality is always above and beyond, but sometimes I wish the quantity were as well...

U wanna do a scrog

 

[Mad Hamish]

Holy crap I totally forgot this thread. Damn. My bad.

I searched for "grams per inch" and ended up here. I'll post my thoughts and questions, and if the a mod wants to move this, so be it.

I never really thought of my grow as "sea of green" but I suppose it could be considered so. I'm growing in a 4'^3 area (maybe taller) 21 plants laid out in a grid, different strains, different sizes, all starting from 4 individual 6-8" cut clones. They have been under a 24/7 photo vegetation period for the past six months. I plan on flipping the largest, non-mother plants this month or soon after.

My concern is that after 6 months the plants are (only) 14" from the first node to the tip. I have been worried for quite some time, but then realized, especially after reading this thread, that a lot of growers only grow a single cola. I pinch off the newest growth at the tip when I feel necessary and the plant now has apx. 16 even sized colas.

If the average SoG starts with an 8" single cola plant when starting flower, then each of my larger plants are an equivalent of 28 smaller plants. Give or take.

I have to go right now, but will be back, so since I do not have time right this second to continue on with the rest of my thoughts and questions, I figure I ought to ask if a 14" bush of Blue Dream is about right after 6 months? I've been told that the quality is always above and beyond, but sometimes I wish the quantity were as well...

Blue Dream is a heavy yielder far as I recall... difference between a lot of small plants and one big one is root mass, bud mass and root mass are directly proportionate, so those small single colas are a lot fatter than colas on a big bush. You can't calculate this according to shoots alone. Six months would grow me a bush with many, many branches and it will be six feet and over no jokes, mothers would be five feet high or what even with all that trimming... sounds a bit slow. Do you have a journal we can pop in by and have a look at your rig?

 

[Lord Kanti]

Maybe tomorrow when the lights are off and you can actually see them

I'm probably going to have to measure each branch. I started to earlier but gave up because of either the futility, or because I really had to go to the bathroom.

I'm hoping to get an idea of grams of produce to inches of plant. I definitely don't want to be stuck with a 6 month veg cycle, as that's just too much of a time investment to
lose if something goes wrong.

I have just started a feeding regiment of Alaskan fish fertilizer. All but one plant seem to be thirsty nitrogen whores. I feed them ph 6.0
tap water, aquaponic drain to waste (gotta refill my fish levels afterwards) and
Also water where I grow microbial tea. I supplement the water with 10-10-10 and good old fashioned urea.

Honestly, my roots seem like they could be way bigger. The soil mix seems to come colonized, but is there an inexpensive fungal additive that can really push those roots out? I'm growing in 5 gal fiber smart pots and I've cranked out 5' beauties from them before. Winter has come and gone and it still feels like I'm playing Game of Midgets.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Maybe tomorrow when the lights are off and you can actually see them

I'm probably going to have to measure each branch. I started to earlier but gave up because of either the futility, or because I really had to go to the bathroom.

I'm hoping to get an idea of grams of produce to inches of plant. I definitely don't want to be stuck with a 6 month veg cycle, as that's just too much of a time investment to
lose if something goes wrong.

I have just started a feeding regiment of Alaskan fish fertilizer. All but one plant seem to be thirsty nitrogen whores. I feed them ph 6.0
tap water, aquaponic drain to waste (gotta refill my fish levels afterwards) and
Also water where I grow microbial tea. I supplement the water with 10-10-10 and good old fashioned urea.

Honestly, my roots seem like they could be way bigger. The soil mix seems to come colonized, but is there an inexpensive fungal additive that can really push those roots out? I'm growing in 5 gal fiber smart pots and I've cranked out 5' beauties from them before. Winter has come and gone and it still feels like I'm playing Game of Midgets.

Well I know absolutely nothing about aquaponics... so I would be pretty lost on anything in your rig, I stick to old school bottle and additive free organics so anything I say will be a load of BS

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I searched for "grams per inch" and ended up here. I'll post my thoughts and questions, and if the a mod wants to move this, so be it.

I never really thought of my grow as "sea of green" but I suppose it could be considered so. I'm growing in a 4'^3 area (maybe taller) 21 plants laid out in a grid, different strains, different sizes, all starting from 4 individual 6-8" cut clones. They have been under a 24/7 photo vegetation period for the past six months. I plan on flipping the largest, non-mother plants this month or soon after.

My concern is that after 6 months the plants are (only) 14" from the first node to the tip. I have been worried for quite some time, but then realized, especially after reading this thread, that a lot of growers only grow a single cola. I pinch off the newest growth at the tip when I feel necessary and the plant now has apx. 16 even sized colas.

If the average SoG starts with an 8" single cola plant when starting flower, then each of my larger plants are an equivalent of 28 smaller plants. Give or take.

I have to go right now, but will be back, so since I do not have time right this second to continue on with the rest of my thoughts and questions, I figure I ought to ask if a 14" bush of Blue Dream is about right after 6 months? I've been told that the quality is always above and beyond, but sometimes I wish the quantity were as well...

6 months veg with blue dream? They should be rather huge plants by now. Are they lush green or pale almost yellow? Cold temperatures? Being blue dream though a 14" plant will still blow up in flowering. I'm doing a cross of blue dream and flowered a couple out at about 14-16" and now they're 3 foot tall trees.
Here is just one that I even trained so the canopy would spread out instead of just growing vertically. Without training she'd be nearly 4 and half feet tall. These are in dwc using GH three part.

 

[Lord Kanti]

Temperatures were cold up until about a month or two ago, now it's pretty hot. I watered them in a bucket today and it seems that each plant is able to hold about a gallon of water after run off is accounted for. I'm thinking it might be possible they weren't getting enough, but I basically fed them whenever they got droopy and asked for it. Once in a while I'll flush the soil out as well.

1 blue dream seems to be a good color, the other 3 larger gals are leaning into the yellow-green spectrum, even after upping the nitrogen a bit. Well shit....I was worried that I was using too much N...but at the ratio I was using it, (been playing it safe) The N would be lucky to register at a solid 1. 15oz 45-4.5-9 added to 5gal water. 15/640(45) 1-0.1-0.2, right? This was on top of 10-10-10 and whatever NPK is in my fish waste water.

The other strains are greener, but do not have the same tightly packed node spacing as the blue dream. I'm not too worried about them, I'd just like them to be much bigger

I also have some 2.5 month olds from seed. 1 Charlie Sheen, the rest are mystery seeds. Blackberry Kush, perhaps. I pinched the tops off, the split....I pinched them again 2-3 nodes later, and some of them got pissed off at me and now look like they're suffering from dwarfism. One is an absurd shade of green that it might as well be yellow, but only one. The rest are rather green..... I'll upload pics when I can, but fuck....

I also added about a cup of hydrogen peroxide to my 5gal cloner and the damn roots to the rose cutting I had in there turned reddish brown. Not slimy, but they were white yesterday. I pulled it and planted it in soil, so hopefully it grows. Everything up top looks fine, but the root mass definitely changed from white to red overnight. The water is also cloudy now, but I think that might also have to do with the rooting powder that gets knocked off the fresh stems.

As far as the pic above goes, the plant structure looks similar, like a grid of heads evenly lined up like a bad haircut from Jersey

I just watered at 5-1-1 today and saturated the soil. I only used the fish emulsion, no 10-10-10, but I did use some of my microbe brew water as the base for mixing the fish into. Now that I see that my previous additive was too weak I'll add it all together for the next watering. 16-11.1-11.2 ought to be in the next mix.

I guess before I go on and ramble to myself for another page or so, I'll ask how long it usually takes to see plants green up and correct themselves after adequate nitrogen is added into their diet.

My soil is a 50/50(ish) mix of organic potting mix and perlite. I didn't really add any compost, rock dust, or wood ash. I got it in my head to leave the soil bland and feed through watering to have more control over the plants, but I think for my next grow I'm going to try to use a 50/50 mix of compost and perlite. It seems that I have a lot of coffee to go through this summer :O

 

[CCCmints]

Temperatures were cold up until about a month or two ago, now it's pretty hot. I watered them in a bucket today and it seems that each plant is able to hold about a gallon of water after run off is accounted for. I'm thinking it might be possible they weren't getting enough, but I basically fed them whenever they got droopy and asked for it. Once in a while I'll flush the soil out as well.

1 blue dream seems to be a good color, the other 3 larger gals are leaning into the yellow-green spectrum, even after upping the nitrogen a bit. Well shit....I was worried that I was using too much N...but at the ratio I was using it, (been playing it safe) The N would be lucky to register at a solid 1. 15oz 45-4.5-9 added to 5gal water. 15/640(45) 1-0.1-0.2, right? This was on top of 10-10-10 and whatever NPK is in my fish waste water.

The other strains are greener, but do not have the same tightly packed node spacing as the blue dream. I'm not too worried about them, I'd just like them to be much bigger

I also have some 2.5 month olds from seed. 1 Charlie Sheen, the rest are mystery seeds. Blackberry Kush, perhaps. I pinched the tops off, the split....I pinched them again 2-3 nodes later, and some of them got pissed off at me and now look like they're suffering from dwarfism. One is an absurd shade of green that it might as well be yellow, but only one. The rest are rather green..... I'll upload pics when I can, but fuck....

I also added about a cup of hydrogen peroxide to my 5gal cloner and the damn roots to the rose cutting I had in there turned reddish brown. Not slimy, but they were white yesterday. I pulled it and planted it in soil, so hopefully it grows. Everything up top looks fine, but the root mass definitely changed from white to red overnight. The water is also cloudy now, but I think that might also have to do with the rooting powder that gets knocked off the fresh stems.

As far as the pic above goes, the plant structure looks similar, like a grid of heads evenly lined up like a bad haircut from Jersey

I just watered at 5-1-1 today and saturated the soil. I only used the fish emulsion, no 10-10-10, but I did use some of my microbe brew water as the base for mixing the fish into. Now that I see that my previous additive was too weak I'll add it all together for the next watering. 16-11.1-11.2 ought to be in the next mix.

I guess before I go on and ramble to myself for another page or so, I'll ask how long it usually takes to see plants green up and correct themselves after adequate nitrogen is added into their diet.

My soil is a 50/50(ish) mix of organic potting mix and perlite. I didn't really add any compost, rock dust, or wood ash. I got it in my head to leave the soil bland and feed through watering to have more control over the plants, but I think for my next grow I'm going to try to use a 50/50 mix of compost and perlite. It seems that I have a lot of coffee to go through this summer :O

why are you vegging for so long?

here's my blue dream @ about 2.5 months...

i can't imagine how big they'd get if i vegged for another 3.5 months. i'm pretty positive the 5 gallon smart pots wouldn't cut it for a 6 month veg. how big are your plants in comparison to the pictures i've posted? i tied them down heavily throughout the grow and topped them yet they still end up being about as tall as you say your plants are.

when are you planning to flower?

 

[Lord Kanti]

Yeah, our plants, even the pots look spot on. I'm not entirely sure why my plants are so damn small, but I'm open to suggestion. I didn't pH my water my last grow, and that grew slow, but not nearly as slow as this one. I figured the corrected acidity would make things pop this time around, but no such luck. My last grow in the 5gal smart pots got me headband bushes 4-5' tall. Shit got weird at the end of summer and basically the whole crop failed. I let the buds brown on the stalks and used them for some epic tea brewing. I trimmed a few of the less shitty plants and let those lose to be smoked and I was told that they were most excellent. Apparently my shittiest crop was the best smoke they ever had.

I'd like to flip a few of the larger plants now. The only reason I let them carry on for so long is because of the slow growth. If they grew as fast as the ones above I'd have had nearly 3 crops by now :-O

 

[Mad Hamish]

Yeah, our plants, even the pots look spot on. I'm not entirely sure why my plants are so damn small, but I'm open to suggestion. I didn't pH my water my last grow, and that grew slow, but not nearly as slow as this one. I figured the corrected acidity would make things pop this time around, but no such luck. My last grow in the 5gal smart pots got me headband bushes 4-5' tall. Shit got weird at the end of summer and basically the whole crop failed. I let the buds brown on the stalks and used them for some epic tea brewing. I trimmed a few of the less shitty plants and let those lose to be smoked and I was told that they were most excellent. Apparently my shittiest crop was the best smoke they ever had.

I'd like to flip a few of the larger plants now. The only reason I let them carry on for so long is because of the slow growth. If they grew as fast as the ones above I'd have had nearly 3 crops by now :-O

Sounds like the problem is in your soil mix most of all IMO

 

[CCCmints]

Yeah, our plants, even the pots look spot on. I'm not entirely sure why my plants are so damn small, but I'm open to suggestion. I didn't pH my water my last grow, and that grew slow, but not nearly as slow as this one. I figured the corrected acidity would make things pop this time around, but no such luck. My last grow in the 5gal smart pots got me headband bushes 4-5' tall. Shit got weird at the end of summer and basically the whole crop failed. I let the buds brown on the stalks and used them for some epic tea brewing. I trimmed a few of the less shitty plants and let those lose to be smoked and I was told that they were most excellent. Apparently my shittiest crop was the best smoke they ever had.

I'd like to flip a few of the larger plants now. The only reason I let them carry on for so long is because of the slow growth. If they grew as fast as the ones above I'd have had nearly 3 crops by now :-O

my guess would be your plants have outgrown their pots. they very well could be rootbound after 6 months in 5 gallon pots. i would transplant to a bigger pot then flip to flower asap.

 

[Mad Hamish]

my guess would be your plants have outgrown their pots. they very well could be rootbound after 6 months in 5 gallon pots. i would transplant to a bigger pot then flip to flower asap.

I second this motion and am kicking my own ass for not thinking of the obvious. All the signs are there for root bound plants.

 

[Lord Kanti]

I do have a couple 15gal pots at my disposal. If anything I can initiate a transplant and see what the roots are like. If dense, I'll swap pots, if not, I'll leave the plant alone to avoid stress and report back.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Never anything wrong with an up can! 15 gal is pretty staunch that will grow some monsters

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Temperatures were cold up until about a month or two ago, now it's pretty hot. I watered them in a bucket today and it seems that each plant is able to hold about a gallon of water after run off is accounted for. I'm thinking it might be possible they weren't getting enough, but I basically fed them whenever they got droopy and asked for it. Once in a while I'll flush the soil out as well.

1 blue dream seems to be a good color, the other 3 larger gals are leaning into the yellow-green spectrum, even after upping the nitrogen a bit. Well shit....I was worried that I was using too much N...but at the ratio I was using it, (been playing it safe) The N would be lucky to register at a solid 1. 15oz 45-4.5-9 added to 5gal water. 15/640(45) 1-0.1-0.2, right? This was on top of 10-10-10 and whatever NPK is in my fish waste water.

The other strains are greener, but do not have the same tightly packed node spacing as the blue dream. I'm not too worried about them, I'd just like them to be much bigger

I also have some 2.5 month olds from seed. 1 Charlie Sheen, the rest are mystery seeds. Blackberry Kush, perhaps. I pinched the tops off, the split....I pinched them again 2-3 nodes later, and some of them got pissed off at me and now look like they're suffering from dwarfism. One is an absurd shade of green that it might as well be yellow, but only one. The rest are rather green..... I'll upload pics when I can, but fuck....

I also added about a cup of hydrogen peroxide to my 5gal cloner and the damn roots to the rose cutting I had in there turned reddish brown. Not slimy, but they were white yesterday. I pulled it and planted it in soil, so hopefully it grows. Everything up top looks fine, but the root mass definitely changed from white to red overnight. The water is also cloudy now, but I think that might also have to do with the rooting powder that gets knocked off the fresh stems.

As far as the pic above goes, the plant structure looks similar, like a grid of heads evenly lined up like a bad haircut from Jersey

I just watered at 5-1-1 today and saturated the soil. I only used the fish emulsion, no 10-10-10, but I did use some of my microbe brew water as the base for mixing the fish into. Now that I see that my previous additive was too weak I'll add it all together for the next watering. 16-11.1-11.2 ought to be in the next mix.

I guess before I go on and ramble to myself for another page or so, I'll ask how long it usually takes to see plants green up and correct themselves after adequate nitrogen is added into their diet.

My soil is a 50/50(ish) mix of organic potting mix and perlite. I didn't really add any compost, rock dust, or wood ash. I got it in my head to leave the soil bland and feed through watering to have more control over the plants, but I think for my next grow I'm going to try to use a 50/50 mix of compost and perlite. It seems that I have a lot of coffee to go through this summer :O

Nice. I hope they get going good for you now it's warming up. It might have just been the cold slowing them down.

 

[panhead]

and how many nodes do these need before going into 12/12?

I start out with clones that have a minimum of 6 tightly packed nodes with 50 plants per 4x8 flood table , straight from clone to 12/12 & each plant yeilds between 2 & 3 zips under 3 600 hps per table .

Most indacs will perform about the same from my experience, one strain might yeild a qp more than another but its so small its of no account to me .

 

[panhead]

I was replying to ignorant post of large plants are waste of time and space. That you obviously didn't read. More shoots equals more buds. Thats a given..

I've done sog for 3 batches 3 years ago. Yield was horrible in comparison. I got 6 zips of 12 plants. I probably didn't have the right strains. That was with 2 weeks veg time. I have never seen anyone pull more than 10 grams per plant with zero veg time. Every sog thread on here that claims huge yields is incomplete and never shows the end result.

There are 2 very different methods of sog , one is to cram as many clones per sq ft as possible using small clones which create a dense carpet , this method has small per plant harvest weights & relys on huge plant numbers , see the Gardengnome threads where he posts his Seemore Buds vids & gets huge harvests .

The other method is to use large clones with a good number of tightly packed nodes & zero side branching , this method requires less plants & space for air flow around the plant , per plant harvest weights can be as high as 4 zips per cola , i have hit over 3 zips on a single cola before but average out just over 2 zips per plant .

Sog isnt just about packing as many plants as possible with any clone with roots , clone selection is the key to massive harvests , take an 8 inch clone with 6 to 8 tightly packed nodes & no side branching & put it directly into 12/12 , then see whats possible with sog when that one clone nets you over 2 ounces .

Veg time works against you in sog , even a 2 week veg time will cause stretch & take away from harvest weights , go look at the Albfuct thread A Batch of clones in rockwool to see what type clones are used for over 2 zip per plant harvests .

I did the whole pic thing for years while learning how to do sog properly & should all still be visable in the Albfuct threads , a massive sog cola I grew is my avatar & it weighed well over 2 ounces , ive got pics of forests of buds in those threads .

 

[Mad Hamish]

There are 2 very different methods of sog , one is to cram as many clones per sq ft as possible using small clones which create a dense carpet , this method has small per plant harvest weights & relys on huge plant numbers , see the Gardengnome threads where he posts his Seemore Buds vids & gets huge harvests .

The other method is to use large clones with a good number of tightly packed nodes & zero side branching , this method requires less plants & space for air flow around the plant , per plant harvest weights can be as high as 4 zips per cola , i have hit over 3 zips on a single cola before but average out just over 2 zips per plant .

Sog isnt just about packing as many plants as possible with any clone with roots , clone selection is the key to massive harvests , take an 8 inch clone with 6 to 8 tightly packed nodes & no side branching & put it directly into 12/12 , then see whats possible with sog when that one clone nets you over 2 ounces .

Veg time works against you in sog , even a 2 week veg time will cause stretch & take away from harvest weights , go look at the Albfuct thread A Batch of clones in rockwool to see what type clones are used for over 2 zip per plant harvests .

I did the whole pic thing for years while learning how to do sog properly & should all still be visable in the Albfuct threads , a massive sog cola I grew is my avatar & it weighed well over 2 ounces , ive got pics of forests of buds in those threads .

Epic thread that I am amazed so many people miss totally. His threads rock.

 

[panhead]

Epic thread that I am amazed so many people miss totally. His threads rock.

Yes they do & Al is missed around here , not many people read the threads because it's quicker to just keep asking questions than read a very long informative thread .

Everything people need to know about monster harvest sog is contained within those threads , I've all ways been thankful that he took the time to teach me the proper way .