orangeade5
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Just do like the homegirl t swift and shake these haters off, talk your buddy into doing no till soil with some good compost, nothing beats recyclable soil.
Who here has used 20 1k hps to grow
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nvhak49
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I will soon as I get off work today, I was to busy yesterday doing birthday stuff with my son! It's nothing huge it's only pulling 110w from the wall but I'll be upgrading the driver soon and adding two more cobs to it for 6cobs total and hopefully pulling around 400w off two drivers
the dopest
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I've read this thread a couple times and still don't know wtf you guys are talking about. It's like a run-on sentence of arguments for 6 pages. Is this about LEDs, HIDs or just an inside joke that newbs like me aren't invited to?
AquariusPanta
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Positivity
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Leds are highly controversial..
You have hid fans, led fans, and business interests mixed up in one big mess. People end up talking trash and nothing much becomes of it other than bad vibes
the jist is..
Want cheap? Go to amazon and get a hid setup shipped by prime for free
Want quality at a low price? Buy a cmh, DE Hid, name brand Hid, induction fluorescent
Want the best lighting available money no object? Go name brand led using cree or bridgelux cobs. Diy can substantially lower cost
Lights using small emitters of cree, oslon, philips, or nichia get honorable mention if cost is less than a cob light.
Where do cheap leds fit? Nowhere anymore
Lighting 2015.
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AquariusPanta
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Boom. It's official.
Sativied
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Wow... can you be an even bigger hypocrite "positivity"...
Right.... so because cobs/leds are crap and you need additional to run them softer to compete with HID, roughly tripling the cost, HID is "low price" / "cheap"....
No donkey.... typical case of LEDusional LED-lol aka loss of logic.
Want A grade quality: buy phillips or gavita HID gear.
Want to waste money on overpriced DIY setups that will be inferior within a year... buy LED.
Want to grow high quality and quantity cannabis, get phillips or gavita HID gear.
Want to grow epeen and hate on HPS and keep your electricity use of your already small grow low priced / cheap.... buy LED.
Lighting 2015-2016.
nvhak49
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Here's my LED grow, I have a 300w from the wall vipar panel it produces decent buds never had another led other than the cxa cobs I built its 4 cobs 110w from the wall runnin at 700mA on a 8.5"x18" heat sink being passively cooled, hope to upgrade the driver very soon to around 200w around 700 or 1050 mA. So I'll get to compare the two kinds even tho I'm running two diff strains in diff mediums. Lemon kush in coco with canna coco nutes and critical mass in a organic soil mix that I just add water too.
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AquariusPanta
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Regardless of cost, aren't Cree COBS ahead of all other forms of indoor lighting in terms of efficiency? They support a full spectrum. It's not even 2020 and Cree COBS are sporting damn near 60% efficiency on select models (CXB). While this top-notch efficiency requires the COBS to be ran low, I anticipate in a couple of years that these very COBS will be able to be ran at higher operating currents (1.4A and ^) and yet still maintain high operating efficiences (50% and ^).
Besides the evident hatred you and a few others here on the LED team toss back and forth, why dump a load (of shit) on the LED/COB movement? Or am I misreading your stance/comment?
churchhaze
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Want better than gavita? Build a DIY model based on CXB and underdrive it for "3 times the cost". (2.4umol/J here)
Positivity
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I dunno..
Ya gonna trust the guy spewing vomit with a picture of a cheetah with green eyes as a avatar?
Hypocrite, delusional, crap, donkey, ledusional (think you were going for delusional), led-loss of logic....
Lots of hate in one post, great job..
I prefer my info to come from better sources. Like results for instance..
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churchhaze
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He has a pretty good journal with his 600W 4'x4' tent. He's definitely a good grower. I think he's just easily offended by other people trying to better themselves. It could be a feeling of resentment. Honestly, I have no idea. Maybe the language barrier has something to do with it.
Maybe he looked into the HPS lamp for too long? I heard that causes loss of vision, both physically and mentally.
torontoke
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I still havent seen any pics of an led grow that is comparable to 20 1k hids like the op put in the thread title.
I dont understand why everyone gets so defensive on here. Im not anti led infact ive looked into switching over myself many times but with the technology changing bi monthly and the costs still prohibitive i havent seen the point.
While i might agree that led may be the future i dont think its right to bash hid the way some guys on here do now.
For a closet grow or cabinet yes you can build a diy cob or such and be way more efficient but if you have a large area or room going all led would could way more than its worth.
I dont understand why everyone gets so defensive on here. Im not anti led infact ive looked into switching over myself many times but with the technology changing bi monthly and the costs still prohibitive i havent seen the point.
While i might agree that led may be the future i dont think its right to bash hid the way some guys on here do now.
For a closet grow or cabinet yes you can build a diy cob or such and be way more efficient but if you have a large area or room going all led would could way more than its worth.
Yodaweed
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I think when COB lights become more commercially available and for a lesser price than HID might start to see a bigger hit in large scale operations, until then the current LED market is pretty junky(really old tech) you are forced to DIY to get top quality LEDs something a lot of people aren't comfortable with doing or want to do.
churchhaze
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It's because this guy keeps personally attacking individuals, and those individuals keep responding. It's just your every day shitstorm. What's not to understand? The reason you think it's about HPS haters is because that's how one party framed the argument.
If you read the initial post, you will see the main theme of this thread is "I'm tired of the sorry ass hps guys talking shit". Not, "fuck HPS". He's sick of the needless trash talking. So am I.
Positivity
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I only respond to try and provide a complete picture.
I myself need to work on being more civilized in my posts
I myself need to work on being more civilized in my posts
torontoke
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The way i see it on this site theres always people who get so passionate about their opinions they are to quick to bash others.
We are all on the same team here and all want the same things.
I come on this site for knowledge and experience from others and to help when i can. If everyone did that we would all be more efficient and the hole movement would further ahead.
I dont care if someone thinks growing with a recycled turn signal works, if they can prove it id be willing to listen.
We are all on the same team here and all want the same things.
I come on this site for knowledge and experience from others and to help when i can. If everyone did that we would all be more efficient and the hole movement would further ahead.
I dont care if someone thinks growing with a recycled turn signal works, if they can prove it id be willing to listen.
Sativied
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Exactly. "Regardless of cost". But, the poster I quoted mentioned cost specifically, so you grab it out of context. The point is, the tricks to make a COB LED based light efficient adding significantly to the cost doesn't make a quality HPS "cheap" or "low cost". It simply makes efficient cobs expensive. Don't think in extremes.
Yeah you are misreading it if you really think I "hate" LED or have any emotions towards it whatsoever. The answer to your question should be obvious by now. I really don't care to explain my reasons for posting. Call it trolling, that seems to be the general consensus
That sounds more like LEP. LEDs work nice to tune and complete a spectrum.
It's not being from NL that gives me an advantage, but being able to tap into knowledge from two leading countries in horticulture (in many ways, both cannabis and botany and horticulture research) does. And in case of NL where we use more electricity for artificial lighting than NY uses in two years for everything, efficiency is extremely important. There's a lot more to it though. It's such a big thing in this sub forum because after years of hating on HPS making many false claims and acting like douchebags when someone questioned their 'believes' they have found a means of comparing that allows them to 'win' (read: grow epeen).
Just a couple of examples out of thousands...
http://www.energiek2020.nu/fileadmin/user_upload/energiek2020/onderzoek/licht/docs/Plant-Lightning-Lichtspectrum_open_gewas.pdf
http://www.energiek2020.nu/fileadmin/user_upload/energiek2020/onderzoek/licht/docs/2013-09_Plant_Lighting_-_Efficiënter_lichtspectrum_Open_gewassen_II.pdf
http://www.tuinbouw.nl/sites/default/files/14764.04 Fundamenten energiebesparing belichte teelt.pdf (includes water cooled)
Download and upload to google translate (dutch->english), and no that's not all HPS>LED, on the contrary. The first two are from a research center that does LED side by sides with budgets of tens to hundreds of thousands of euros, per plant species. No playing around, no LED bias, no intellectual dishonesty, no growing epeen.
No point to make, just pretty^
Although they will probably never admit it, at some point the white COB fans will realize they wasted time on so desperately trying to beat HPS. They are not nearly as innovative as they like to think, hooking up a few leds to a heatsink and driver... LED beating HPS luminous efficiency-wise has always been inevitable. The goal however is not to reduce electricity, it's to grow a certain amount of quality bud per year from a given space.
Me too. LED's the future. I find your expectations modest. But again, and this has upset certain members so those may want to close their eyes now: the efficiency numbers do not translate directly to the only type of efficiency that matters. Let me address that in my reply to your other post in the other thread...
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######## 1.4X
- The ultimate hybrid horticulture lighting for indoor growing, specifically designed for growing medicinal grade cannabis
- Professional form factor and materials preventing fire and health hazards typically associated with DIY builds
- Electronics provided by ########
- Manufactured in Germany using the most efficient reflective German aluminum
- Up to 40% more efficient than traditional HID lighting and LED lighting
- Includes highly efficient double-ended HPS lamp
- Manual or automatic control of both LEDs and HID lights
- Includes UV LEDs to increase resin production up to 25%
- Includes FarRed LEDs to increase flower induction while elongating the photoperiod for yield increase up to 20%
- Includes Blue LEDs to encourage auxin production and reduce stretch during vegetation
- Anti-PM and Boytritis (bud rot) light recipe
- Germination and cutting rooting light recipe
- Auto flower light recipe boasting yields up to 200%
- Passively cooled using proprietary materials.
- Soon available in hydroponic shops across the US and Canada
While HPS growers focus on the G in GPW and LED growers focus on the W, we developed a light that addresses both weight and electricity usage, as well the third important factor: time. Using extensively tested light recipes designed by a team of photo biologists the cycle can be reduced with 1- 4 weeks. In many cases this results in being able to significantly increase the yield per year by doing an entire cycle extra.
Many of the LED designers targeting cannabis growers use COB lighting designed to be used in streetlights, billboards, shop displays, etc, and are not suitable for professional horticulture lighting applications.
Best of all, it’s nearly fully automatic. All you have to do is set the time and decide when to switch to the flowering schedule. Manual override is available and the light recipes can be easily adjusted using free software.
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^^I sucked that light out of my thumb months ago... (though based on facts nonetheless, yes including the PM and Boytritis, based on actual side by side by actual pros) it's a Gavilips. Wanted to mind fuck you all cause I could create a photorealistic visualization and photoshop it above my plants.
