cannabis and grapes similar growing techniques??

cobwebs13

cobwebs13

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So were currently studying the production of wine in my course and we had a chance to go out into some vineyards and have a look around and it got me thinking weather or not it would be possible to treat cannabis and grapes the same when growing, or apply simmilar techniques. i know its possible to harvest then trim and re-veg your plants so why not?? thats how a grape vine is treated along with being lst'ed and selectivly trimmed to only produce 6-8 high quilaty bunches of grapes rather than lots of average quilaty bunches. also we were shown that they grow clover under the vines to catch all the natural nitrogen out of the air rather than having to fertilise the shit out of them and the use of large rocks and boulders put in certain places to to build up heat within during the day and its then realesed naturally at night to keep tempratures from dropping to low ,their ways to prevent frost was also queit amazing and different. now i might be talking a whole lot of shit but id like to see what you guys think and would be awesome to see if any1 has actually experimented with this. but the way i see it is the fact that its legal to grow grapes they have had alot more time to exeriment and test these methods which is why theyve found it works so well. i think it would be quiet cool to eventually see a 30-40 year old plant still producing every year.
anyway let me know what you think of this stoned idea.
Peace:joint:
 
cobwebs13

cobwebs13

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Ha would really love the time to give it a go ae. and diploma of professional chef practice man it was part of a food and wine matching topic.
 
cobwebs13

cobwebs13

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haha awesome if it was me there wouldnt be any wine just a big fat doobie but will have to say a nice subtle white possibly pinot gris im geussing your not from nz tho so could be different.
 
FuckJeffGoldbloom

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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Ha lol, yeah but i wouldn't mind visiting there for a while, most likely just the dooby and another dooby im not much of a drinker, but if i do indulge i partake in a light wine as you mentioned...
 
cobwebs13

cobwebs13

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yea man its a nice place (well some of it) make sure you go to central otago in the south if you do one word.....AMAZING. haha yea same here ae not many people will agree with me when i say this but 2 days of wine tasting sucked haha all i wanted to do was have a blaze...haha
 
tobinates559

tobinates559

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awesome ideas, i often relate cannabis to everything i see every plant and nutrient and light and open space outdoors make me think about growing weed haah ive also thought that the way grapes are trained was similar to what we do with cannabis!! i would love to see an outdoor plant re-vegged every season and harvested!!!!! is it possible? if it were im sure people would be doing it no?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Just a philosophical thought - become a gardener of all kinds of plant material as the knowledge gained on say, grapes, peaches, tomatoes, houseplants and other crops can be used to grow better pot. You'll also find that once you dally in other crops you'll see how much bullshit there is in cannabis forums and won't get into as much trouble or expense. You'll learn to read your plants, learn plant nutrition, hormonal responses. I'm just now finishing up my vineyard with the spring pruning to VSP or Vertical Shoot Positioning, a training method I started when I first planted them. Although grapes are a perennial and cannabis is a short lived annual, the hormonal processes still apply. The cordons contain 1-4 buds which will output foliage and blossoms. You're looking at about where the fruiting zone is with the training along the principles as SCROG. And FWIW, I have never done SCROG nor will I ever. Too much of a hassle.

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NewtoMJ

NewtoMJ

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Uncle Ben said:
Just a philosophical thought - become a gardener of all kinds of plant material as the knowledge gained on say, grapes, peaches, tomatoes, houseplants and other crops can be used to grow better pot. You'll also find that once you dally in other crops you'll see how much bullshit there is in cannabis forums and won't get into as much trouble or expense. You'll learn to read your plants, learn plant nutrition, hormonal responses. I'm just now finishing up my vineyard with the spring pruning to VSP or Vertical Shoot Positioning, a training method I started when I first planted them. Although grapes are a perennial and cannabis is a short lived annual, the hormonal processes still apply. The cordons contain 1-4 buds which will output foliage and blossoms. You're looking at about where the fruiting zone is with the training along the principles as SCROG. And FWIW, I have never done SCROG nor will I ever. Too much of a hassle.

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That dormant grape vine looks like it would make a bad-ass walking stick, or wizard wand.
 
calicocalyx

calicocalyx

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I know some old heads in southern oregon who talk of a herb plant kept alive for 9 years outside. It gets cold there and that is what eventually killed it. I think they did whatever they could to keep the roots warm, possibly added lights at some point. Imagine the stalk on a 9 year old plant though.
 
caherbgrower

caherbgrower

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The reason vintners use the same wood is because it takes years for vines to become mature and set fruit. Cannabis matures annually so it's not necessary. I've re-vegged a plant after harvest and it seemed hindered. Give it a shot and post pics!!
 
caherbgrower

caherbgrower

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Uncle Ben said:
Just a philosophical thought - become a gardener of all kinds of plant material as the knowledge gained on say, grapes, peaches, tomatoes, houseplants and other crops can be used to grow better pot. You'll also find that once you dally in other crops you'll see how much bullshit there is in cannabis forums and won't get into as much trouble or expense. You'll learn to read your plants, learn plant nutrition, hormonal responses. I'm just now finishing up my vineyard with the spring pruning to VSP or Vertical Shoot Positioning, a training method I started when I first planted them. Although grapes are a perennial and cannabis is a short lived annual, the hormonal processes still apply. The cordons contain 1-4 buds which will output foliage and blossoms. You're looking at about where the fruiting zone is with the training along the principles as SCROG. And FWIW, I have never done SCROG nor will I ever. Too much of a hassle.

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Do you leave canes on any of your vines or just straight verts?
 
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T.H.Cammo

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calicocalyx said:
I know some old heads in southern oregon who talk of a herb plant kept alive for 9 years outside. It gets cold there and that is what eventually killed it. I think they did whatever they could to keep the roots warm, possibly added lights at some point. Imagine the stalk on a 9 year old plant though.
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Keeping a plant alive for nine years is one thing, revegging a plant for 40 years is quite another! Cannabis is an annual - it's supposed to die-off after it's done flowering (making seeds), after one season. Revegging cannabis is an artificial technique that takes a toll on the plants vigor. Revegging a cannabis plant a "few" times, tends to reduce each yield progressively (also stunting the plant - perhaps to the point of death, especially outside).

I have never actually done this, myself, but that's what the research indicates. I would love to hear from someone who has firsthand experience with "Multiple Reveggings". From what I have read, the yield really drops off after 3 or 4 times.
 
calicocalyx

calicocalyx

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I'm not into revegging, just because to me it seems every stress adds up in the "memory" of the plant, of course that could be just speculation. I would like to hear from peeps who do multiple revegging as well. I have a buddy that worked a farm in humboldt and he said the guys there would reveg 3 times after first harvest inside a greenhouse throughout the year. Curious as to the benefits and negatives and what exactly they were yielding.
 
caherbgrower

caherbgrower

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Uncle Ben said:
No canes. What you see is what you get. Each "stub", fruiting spur is left with 1-3 buds.
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Nice. What variety are you growing? We trim all the way down to one bud, maybe two. Our vines are some of the oldest in the area. We like to get one cluster on each of them.
 
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