captainmorgan
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What do you want to bet that there is only one Cree LED in each cluster?
Anyone used Kind LED lamps?
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Greengenes707
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The boards in their pics are all xpe. Big whoop. A 5 year old chip.
The question isn't are they Crees...it's what bin are they?
The question isn't are they Crees...it's what bin are they?
captainmorgan
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Yea didn't look at it that close,I've just seen other lights use that tactic,chances are they're mid bin at best with a old chip. If they were real cheap it may be a starter panel for someone with no DIY skills.
Hgrow
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I want to verify that they are All CREE LED chip light .
Smoke-A-Cola
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Kind lights actually cost less than most other LEDs, and from what I can tell out perform them too. They just won LED grow light of the year.
Are you saying spectrum doesn't matter? So what are you running 100% white diodes? Their spectrum works. That's what matters.
And believe what you want but I think the secondary optical lense really helps.
I actually called them, because I can and they are good enough to offer their customers great tech support. They actually manufacture their own diodes.
I also know my light is backed by a warranty for 3 years by the top name in the industry. I don't know how to build an LED, and I certainly don't know how to fix one.
Show me a light that has all those things and let's talk.
That means they're rebranded Chinese epi-whatever lights. MarsHydro and all the others "make their own diodes" too. They buy raw dies and encapsulate them on-site to unknown specifications, without applicable datasheet.
You can do better for the money.
Yodaweed
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This guy is drinking the kool-aid.
Red1966
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Area51 doesn't have a lifetime warranty. I posted Area51's warranty once before and everyone said I was lying. Despite the fact they can go to their website and see it for themselves.
Red1966
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Even Cree has what are called "seconds" (meaning they don't pass their quality standards) that they sell to re-manufactures.
Original or future owners of a light can replace parts at wholesale forever. That sounds like a lifetime warranty to me.
Are you saying a lifetime warranty means free replacement forever? I don't know many who would expect that.
Red1966
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"Are you saying a lifetime warranty means free replacement forever?" Yes, exactly, or a refund.
Perhaps you don't know what a warranty is? A warranty is they fix the lamp or refund your money. If you have to pay for the parts and install them yourself, that's not a warranty. Even Area51 doesn't claim they offer a lifetime warranty
captainmorgan
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Or just another undercover salesman.
Red1966
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Quote from Area 51
"During the first 24 months starting from date of delivery, we offer a full bumper to bumper warranty, we will replace any part that fails free of cost.
After 24 months we will offer replacement or upgrade parts for life, we will offer those parts at cost."
"During the first 24 months starting from date of delivery, we offer a full bumper to bumper warranty, we will replace any part that fails free of cost.
After 24 months we will offer replacement or upgrade parts for life, we will offer those parts at cost."
If it were "lifetime" I wouldn't. That would be like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet and expecting to live there for a month because, hey, it says "All I can eat." It didn't say anything about within a certain timeframe.
I think I'll continue to call it a lifetime warranty. I'll let you explain how you expect a free light in perpetuity.
Red1966
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So, for a car, warranty means one thing, for a lamp it's something different? I didn't say I expected "a free light in perpetuity." I expect them to honor their TWO YEAR warranty that they advertise. Buffets don't offer warranties, and have nothing to do with this conversation. You can call it whatever you like, but you'll be wrong. You making false claims is doing a disservice to Area51.
They do. In addition, they offer a lifetime parts replacement:
That is a lifetime warranty. There is no legal definition for that term.[1] It provides a benefit that is not available to non-owners of the light. Just because you insist that the benefit should be 100% replacement doesn't mean that a warranty isn't being made (to replace both defective and worn parts at cost.).
Your use of the term is illustrated by the latter of this juxtaposition: "A lifetime warranty is usually a warranty against defects in materials and workmanship that has no time limit to make a claim, rather than a warranty that the product will perform for the lifetime of the buyer."[2]
As I said: I will continue to use the appropriate term (lifetime warranty). You will remain free to explain why you believe "no time limit to make a claim" must mean 100% free replacement as if the light were warrantied to perform for for a lifetime.
(And, how you should be able to sit in an all-you-can-eat buffet for a couple days because "All" means ALL.).
[1] Consumer Reports: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/2010/january/shopping/lifetime-warranties/overview/lifetime-warranties-ov.htm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warranty#Lifetime_warranty
Hgrow
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They manufacture their own diodes ??? Are you serious ?? They manufacture in China or USA ???
Hgrow
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Yeah, they are XPE . A 5 year old chip ,but it means they make their LED Grow light with Cree led chips and top quality one , area 51 with Cree , AdvancedLED with Cree , both are good quality and well-known by growers .