why buy high priced LED for a Name when there all made in china

shynee mac

shynee mac

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most of the new LED companies are just taking advantage of ppl that are new to growing with LEDs. they get lots of LED light from china and put there name on them and sell them for extremely expensive prices. some even go as far as having the ppl in china special make color orders to keep ppl from discovering the real deal. but "SHYNEE MAC" is going to keep it all the way 100 wit ya! go to ali express and for $70 plus $25- $30 shipping you'll have a powerful 300 watt Led equivalent to a "Bulldog LED" etc.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/11-Nov-50-discount-300w-led-grow-light-9-bands-Deep-Red-660nm-grow-leds-for/32231529275.html
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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shynee mac said:
most of the new LED companies are just taking advantage of ppl that are new to growing with LEDs. they get lots of LED light from china and put there name on them and sell them for extremely expensive prices. some even go as far as having the ppl in china special make color orders to keep ppl from discovering the real deal. but "SHYNEE MAC" is going to keep it all the way 100 wit ya! go to ali express and for $70 plus $25- $30 shipping you'll have a powerful 300 watt Led equivalent to a "Bulldog LED" etc.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/11-Nov-50-discount-300w-led-grow-light-9-bands-Deep-Red-660nm-grow-leds-for/32231529275.html
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Did you know that Black and Decker owns Dewalt? Yes it's true. You will pay 3 times as much for a Dewalt cordless drill over a B and D. And the tools may also be made in the same plant. What's the difference? Well Dewalt uses better parts that cost more. Plus they got major respect for being commercial quality. And they keep making good stuff to protect their great name brand.

Same with LED. You want to be able to trust the "name brand" that theu are using higher quality parts and the spectrums are really as described compared to the generic brand. It's only a theory but it makes sense.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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I feel that judging a fixture on $/PAR W is sort of far-fetched and too simplistic; there are so many different variables/factors to take into consideration when discussing the choices of different light fixtures.

I think it was @no_god who posted on a thread earlier how s/he bought or is going to buy an assortment of parts to build their own COB fixture, which included a heat sink, fan, driver, and 8x Vero 29's. By running the 8x Vero 29's at 700ma, the fixture would provide ~200W, with the COBs being ~49%, therefore giving ~98 PAR watts. The package or total to build such a fixture was stated to cost around $400 or came out to ~$4.33 per PAR W, which is decent for a DIY build.

No doubt will their fixture perform quite well, as Bridgelux and MeanWell are technically leaders in their businesses but there can be (and should be) so much more to a fixture that it's hard to justify the costs of a fixture solely on the power consumption/projection. I get that it's valid, coming to the mathematical conclusion of currency per watt but again... there is much more to a car than just the power of the engine. How long is that engine gonna run for? Who installed the engine? How old is the engine?

Just my spare change.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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SupraSPL said:
True AP, but it is a good starting point.
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I disagree with it being a good starting point. Quite frankly I don't think it should be a starting point for a given buyer.

Here is my logic, backed by a theoretical example:

Say this $100, 100W LED panel is ~25% efficient, therefore giving us an approachable money per PAR watt figure. But the diodes are of poor quality and the manufacturer doesn't offer a warranty, so you get what you pay for. Leroy buys this LED panel thinking he is getting a good deal because of the $/PAR W figure but within six months, the panel completely fails, leaving him cursing his past purchase and looking for another light. Say Sally, another horticulturist, goes and buys a similar panel, equipped with similar wattage and better, more durable parts (same efficiency) and is backed by a two-year warranty, but is $100 dollars extra. Whether or not her panel dies, she rests assured that the company will take care of her needs if something were to go awry.

In short, the $/PAR calculation should be one of the last selling points between making a decision between different manufactured light panels. DIY COB panels makes for a different story.
 
cityworker415

cityworker415

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Did you know that Black and Decker owns Dewalt? Yes it's true. You will pay 3 times as much for a Dewalt cordless drill over a B and D. And the tools may also be made in the same plant. What's the difference? Well Dewalt uses better parts that cost more. Plus they got major respect for being commercial quality. And they keep making good stuff to protect their great name brand.

Same with LED. You want to be able to trust the "name brand" that theu are using higher quality parts and the spectrums are really as described compared to the generic brand. It's only a theory but it makes sense.
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Dewalt and bd are shit, Milwaukee!

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cityworker415

cityworker415

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AquariusPanta said:
I disagree with it being a good starting point. Quite frankly I don't think it should be a starting point for a given buyer.

Here is my logic, backed by a theoretical example:

Say this $100, 100W LED panel is ~25% efficient, therefore giving us an approachable money per PAR watt figure. But the diodes are of poor quality and the manufacturer doesn't offer a warranty, so you get what you pay for. Leroy buys this LED panel thinking he is getting a good deal because of the $/PAR W figure but within six months, the panel completely fails, leaving him cursing his past purchase and looking for another light. Say Sally, another horticulturist, goes and buys a similar panel, equipped with similar wattage and better, more durable parts (same efficiency) and is backed by a two-year warranty, but is $100 dollars extra. Whether or not her panel dies, she rests assured that the company will take care of her needs if something were to go awry.

In short, the $/PAR calculation should be one of the last selling points between making a decision between different manufactured light panels. DIY COB panels makes for a different story.
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God dam LeRoy

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az2000

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AquariusPanta said:
- Leroy buys this LED panel thinking he is getting a good deal because of the $/PAR W figure but within six months...
- Sally, another horticulturist, goes and buys a similar panel, equipped with similar wattage and better, more durable parts...
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Can we also account for:

- Oscar Optimistic, who starts a DIY -- and never finishes it....
- Fire Marshal Bob, who replaces his charred flooring due to pointing his COB at it.

(All characters are fictional. Any similarity to Panta and @churchhaze is purely coincidental.).
 
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