see4
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Huh? I assume you don't own any firearms or NFA items then?
Obama banning AR15 ammo by command of the emperor!
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TubePot
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My comment was to the link posted, that the regulations link was for FFL holders not the general public.
see4
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Sorry about that, I did not mean to write, "Do be more accurate", I meant to say, "To be more accurate", as in I was agreeing, but wanted to add...
I need to proofread more when I get high.
Harrekin
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OddBall1st
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Does that mean take his word for it when he says it works and wont jam ?
Abracadabra,.....ass b mud...
UncleBuck
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what an idiot.
Why would you assume that?
see4
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Because of your, "Records of what?", question.
Harrekin
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If you get robbed selling a gun, you're a dumbass.
Pretty fcking simple theme I'm trying to express to you.
UncleBuck
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OddBall1st
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Should you have taken what I posted seriously, then comment,...only one question remains....
...When should I reel you in?
I buy new guns all the time, the BATF has no record of anything. The FFL holder who sold me the gun keeps the records. There are no gun records kept by federal government, that would be illegal.
I assume you are speaking from ignorance and have never purchased a new gun in your entire life.
Rob Roy
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Shitting on other peoples floors, not legal...idiot.
see4
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I'm confused then. The gun trust that I have set up for the 4 suppressors, 2 SBRs and RLL are NOT kept on file by the BATF? Is that what you are trying to tell me? Are you trying to tell me when I went to purchase my Dan Wesson Heritage .45 that when I provided my CCW and license they simply just took a picture and called it a day?
You are so very very dumb. Dumb dumb.
You must be under the incorrect assumption that anyone other than the seller keeps form 4473.
You really think that form goes anywhere? Talk about ignorant and stupid.
LOL, now you are definitely ignorant and have proven that not only do you now own any guns, but that you are a poor poor liar as well.
Poopy Pants.
This is about guns, not suppressors, not Short Barreled Rifles.
So stupid, so very very stupid.
Run along now little monkey.
see4
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A Firearms Transaction Record, or Form 4473, is a form promulgated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in the United States Department of Justice that is filled out when a person purchases a firearm from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder (such as a gun shop).[1]
The Form 4473 contains name, address, date of birth, government-issued photo ID, National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background check transaction number, make/model/serial number of the firearm, and a short affidavit stating that the purchaser is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law. Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison[2] in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by the NICS. Prosecutions are rare in the absence of another felony committed with the gun purchased.[citation needed]
The dealer also records all information from the Form 4473 into a required "bound-book".[3] A dealer must keep this on file at least 20 years, and is required to surrender the log to the ATF upon retirement from the firearms business. The ATF is allowed to inspect, as well as request a copy of, the Form 4473 from the dealer during the course of a criminal investigation. In addition, the sale of two or more handguns to a person in a five-day period must be reported to ATF on Form 3310.4.
If a person purchases a firearm from a private individual who is not a licensed dealer, the purchaser is not required in most states to complete a Form 4473. Some states (such as California) require individual sellers to sell through dealers.
These forms are given the same status as a tax return under the Privacy Act of 1974 and cannot be disclosed by the government to private parties or other government officials except in accordance with the Privacy Act. Individual dealers possessing a copy of the form are not subject to the Privacy Act's restrictions on disclosure. Dealers are required to maintain completed forms for 20 years in the case of completed sales, and for 5 years where the sale was disapproved as a result of the NICS check.
You are so very very dumb dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
I 100% guarantee that both the NFA item and firearm are both on record with a government agency. You.... dumb dumb.
The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law (Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926)
So very very stupid. Rocks are smarter than See4/Bucky/Floorshitter/Monkey
Whoops, you got anything else?
Didn't think so.
BTW that isn't a silencer, its just a can.
Show me the part where it says the BATF keeps the form.
You can't?
Poor stupid stupid monkey.
In case you didn't know the "Dealer" is not the BATF.
The seller is not the BATF
The "person" is not the BATF
Poor stupid monkey. Try waking up earlier, you will soon realize your walrus left you.
see4
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To your first point... you needed to copy and paste the remainder of the excerpt.. dumb dumb.
Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:
1. Multiple Sale Reports. Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.[12]
2. Suspect Guns. All guns suspected of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes (ATF's own examples[citation needed]), individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms, and dealers with improper record keeping. May include guns observed by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere.[citation needed] Reported as 34,807 in 2010.[12]
3. Traced Guns. Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception.[12] This is a registration record which includes the personal information of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.
4. Out of Business Records. Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968.[13]
5. Theft Guns. Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010.[12] Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional).[12] Does not have an interface to the FBI'sNational Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.[citation needed]
To your second point, a "can" is just a fun name for "silencer" or "suppressor", dumb dumb. All the same thing. Dumb. Dumb.