GroErr Grows...

[mc130p]

Haven't seen anything on IR before lights on, considering the science behind it (IR/730nm), it could potentially be detrimental. But then again, not enough factual data/papers available on the subject. Sometimes things like this don't make a lot of sense because we don't have all the information or it's only been studied from one angle. I was a little hesitant to try IR before lights on based on anything I've read, but those articles/papers were also focusing on having them on 5-10 minutes AFTER the main lights go off and effectively giving them a longer lights-off period.

I started to try it on my last grow, but a number of people commented and dissuaded me...still somewhat curious

 

[GroErr]

I started to try it on my last grow, but a number of people commented and dissuaded me...still somewhat curious

Hey mc, did you end up with that BML IR light or back off? That's the one I'm thinking of getting to put in after the PC comp. Expensive but in the overall scheme of things one light could cover the whole room. idk whether it'll shorten up flowering but worth a try I think.

On the 630/660 before lights on, difficult to gage the exact effects but this run I'm just finishing certainly had no ill effects, all the plants are huge and look like they could finish a bit earlier. Just about to post some bud shots and JTR looks almost done at Day 47. I'm in no hurry to pull it and will leave it for another 5 days or so to tighten up the buds a bit but it's covered in frost and cloudy. Cheers.

 

[GroErr]

Some bud shots of the 3x 5gal 3x3 @day 47. Looking ripe, JTR seems ahead of the others and smothered in frost, has a dusty look to it but it's just frost 5-7 days to go at most, could pull JTR now but want to let it mature a bit and tighten the buds...

JTR:





JTR x Blueberry:




PPP x Blueberry:


Cheers

 

[Mohican]

IR is heat. In the article I read, the grower was turning on a heater in the morning before lights on. The plants feel the heat and they know that the sun is coming up.

Not sure whether 730 nm would give the same effect. I want to give it a try.

 

[GroErr]

IR is heat. In the article I read, the grower was turning on a heater in the morning before lights on. The plants feel the heat and they know that the sun is coming up.

Not sure whether 730 nm would give the same effect. I want to give it a try.

I don't think it would hurt but it's difficult to gage without controlled tests, sometimes we just need to take a leap of faith and go with gut instinct.

The idea with the 630/660nm at "dawn" is similar but not due to the heat, due to the spectrum of the sun at dawn. The main benefit of IR at dusk is meant to put the plants into night mode faster, it typically takes about 2 hours of dark for them to get there, the 730nm initiators are supposed to take that down to 5-10 minutes, effectively giving your plants the full 12 hours lights-off. That in itself is interesting and may benefit them, but there are other implications, e.g. Could I run longer "days" like 13/11, gain benefit from both the IR at lights out and the longer lights-out period?

 

[mc130p]

Hey mc, did you end up with that BML IR light or back off? That's the one I'm thinking of getting to put in after the PC comp. Expensive but in the overall scheme of things one light could cover the whole room. idk whether it'll shorten up flowering but worth a try I think.

Yep, I got the 8W BML fixture. I'm only using it for 5 mins per day at the end of 13-on. It was worth paying a little more to avoid having to deal with sourcing the parts and putting them together, imho.

 

[GroErr]

Yep, I got the 8W BML fixture. I'm only using it for 5 mins per day at the end of 13-on. It was worth paying a little more to avoid having to deal with sourcing the parts and putting them together, imho.

Cool, that's what I was thinking too. Nice format too in the bars, easier to fit into the grow and not block your main lights. Where I'm heading, both the 630/660nm at dawn and the 730nm at dusk, 13/11 for the main lights. Gotta wait to finish that cup now, then run 1x IndaGro and 1x Sun System May not have to wait as long, I'm due for a male with these DIY's, 10 fems in a row

 

[hyroot]

the 730 sends the plant into its phytochrome state. The 660 brings it out. So if you ran 730 when they wake up. Make sure to run 660 with it too.

 

[GroErr]

Chopped these a couple of nights ago, 3gal JTR x Blueberry (at back) and PPP x Blueberry both pheno 2, decent 30" plants for 3gal. Last run for both as I favoured pheno 1 in the 5gal for the JTR x Blueberry and neither one of the PPP x Blueberry. Have another 2 new phenos of the PPP x Blueberry in veg and will likely flower them in about 10 days when the LED tent becomes available. Still looking for an indica leaning pheno with these as so far they've been more sat-dom and more or less the same smell as the PPP's, plus a ridiculous amount of leaf to bud ratio, PITA for trimming. Hoping a more indy-leaning pheno injects some of the Blueberry smell/taste in there.

Tried a sampler of the JTR x Blueberry last night (bud that fell off... really) and hoping the Pheno 1 is a strong as this one (smells & looks almost identical other than the 5 gal is twice the size). Nice strong taste of Blueberry comes through in the smoke, a little rough but not bad with no cure yet. Knocked me on my ass for the night, definitely some THC in there


Cheers

 

[akhiymjames]

Chopped these a couple of nights ago, 3gal JTR x Blueberry (at back) and PPP x Blueberry both pheno 2, decent 30" plants for 3gal. Last run for both as I favoured pheno 1 in the 5gal for the JTR x Blueberry and neither one of the PPP x Blueberry. Have another 2 new phenos of the PPP x Blueberry in veg and will likely flower them in about 10 days when the LED tent becomes available. Still looking for an indica leaning pheno with these as so far they've been more sat-dom and more or less the same smell as the PPP's, plus a ridiculous amount of leaf to bud ratio, PITA for trimming. Hoping a more indy-leaning pheno injects some of the Blueberry smell/taste in there.

Tried a sampler of the JTR x Blueberry last night (bud that fell off... really) and hoping the Pheno 1 is a strong as this one (smells & looks almost identical other than the 5 gal is twice the size). Nice strong taste of Blueberry comes through in the smoke, a little rough but not bad with no cure yet. Knocked me on my ass for the night, definitely some THC in there
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Cheers

Looking awesome bro. Been missing out on this great growing over here. Sounds like you got a really nice cross with the JTR x Blueberry. Who's Blueberry stock did you use? Just wondering as I've heard that DJ's is not as good as it used to be. I've always loved some great Blueberry but hard to find it grown proper and with the authentic taste. Just grabbed some Sunshine Daydream from Bodhi so hoping to get the Blueberry muffin pheno

 

[GroErr]

Looking awesome bro. Been missing out on this great growing over here. Sounds like you got a really nice cross with the JTR x Blueberry. Who's Blueberry stock did you use? Just wondering as I've heard that DJ's is not as good as it used to be. I've always loved some great Blueberry but hard to find it grown proper and with the authentic taste. Just grabbed some Sunshine Daydream from Bodhi so hoping to get the Blueberry muffin pheno

Hey thanks James, noticed you just started a new thread - subbed!
I was originally going to try DJ's but ran into a lot of confusion if/where to get legit stock and a lot of fems out there in other cuts. Went with BCBD BC Blueberry regs. Popped the first 2 and got 2 males about this time last year, massive one and later a smaller one turned out male. Collected pollen from both and this is the L1 cut from the large male. Have quite a few seeds pollinated with the smaller male to try next but this first JTR x BB pheno is looking and smelling fantastic, looking like a huge producer to boot, nice combo. Cheers and happy growing

 

[akhiymjames]

Hey thanks James, noticed you just started a new thread - subbed!
I was originally going to try DJ's but ran into a lot of confusion if/where to get legit stock and a lot of fems out there in other cuts. Went with BCBD BC Blueberry regs. Popped the first 2 and got 2 males about this time last year, massive one and later a smaller one turned out male. Collected pollen from both and this is the L1 cut from the large male. Have quite a few seeds pollinated with the smaller male to try next but this first JTR x BB pheno is looking and smelling fantastic, looking like a huge producer to boot, nice combo. Cheers and happy growing

Hell yea bro I had to start a new one showing everything that I have going and will have in the future. That will be my only one can't keep up with too many of them. Glad to have you for the ride. I understand about the confusion with DJ's stock as its a lot of complaints with it lately plus his gear is really expensive too. I don't mind paying for great stuff cus quality costs period but when theres the uncertainty of it with the high price its hard to bite the bullet and go with it. BCBD stock came from DJ's I think I know Dutch Passion for sure but not certain about BCBD but glad you found some nice studs to work with. That #1 JTR x BB is looking amazing and looks like you may have accomplished what you were trying to do. Cant wait for the smoke report

 

[GroErr]

Hell yea bro I had to start a new one showing everything that I have going and will have in the future. That will be my only one can't keep up with too many of them. Glad to have you for the ride. I understand about the confusion with DJ's stock as its a lot of complaints with it lately plus his gear is really expensive too. I don't mind paying for great stuff cus quality costs period but when there's the uncertainty of it with the high price its hard to bite the bullet and go with it. BCBD stock came from DJ's I think I know Dutch Passion for sure but not certain about BCBD but glad you found some nice studs to work with. That #1 JTR x BB is looking amazing and looks like you may have accomplished what you were trying to do. Cant wait for the smoke report

Yeah, hear you on that one, easier to keep one main thread for sure. Have had some good luck with BCBD's own gear and they offer a lot of regs, the Harlequin keeper pheno I just finished trimming is their BX4, a lot of variation like 3 different phenos out of 4 seeds but one clear keeper. Got just shy of 60g's total in a 3gal with some training with that pheno, happy with that because the quality is worth a spot in my regular line up. Should be able to get 3 zips from a 5gal which is nothing to write home about but quite acceptable for quality smoke for my high CBD strain.

 

[Mohican]

The Santa Cruz Blue Dream cut is an amazing tasting blueberry smoke with an easy sativa high. No paranoia!

Vigorous growth with mega frost. It is still my favorite so far.

 

[GroErr]

The Santa Cruz Blue Dream cut is an amazing tasting blueberry smoke with an easy sativa high. No paranoia!

Vigorous growth with mega frost. It is still my favorite so far.

Wish I had access to some of those clone only cuts. Like that pheno I have going though, tasty, nice head stone, energetic, it's my daytime get shit done smoke. I rarely get paranoid, but that JTR cut I run gets me thinking I'm going to do something stupid if I take too many hits

 

[Mohican]

That happened to me on TGA Vortex! Kept forgetting what I was doing!

 

[Fast50]

Good growing man. Interesting on the led's at dawn/dusk and 13/11. Maybe ill try it next run.

 

[GroErr]

Good growing man. Interesting on the led's at dawn/dusk and 13/11. Maybe ill try it next run.

Hey thanks Fast50, the reds at dawn and IR at dusk with 13/11 could be an extra edge, I had the 630/660 panel sitting idle and it hasn't hurt

 

[GroErr]

Main flower room update. Day 50 for the larger 3x3, Day 7 for the new one.

The Blue Pyramids are stretching as expected, they'll end up around 36", THC Bomb is keeping up with them, shorter but stretching. It needed it, very dense in the center, needed to open up a bit.

The 2x DIY's and the JTR are all starting to fade but still healthy and strong. Will be letting each go until they slow down drinking. JTR is looking ready, expecting it to slow down anytime now. Covered in frost, nice strong plant and buds are feeling tight. JTR x Blueberry is looking and smelling ripe but as long as it continues drinking at this pace I'll let it go. The PPP x Blueberry looks like it can go a few days yet, that huge main cola keeps getting fatter, a few grams in that one

Some group shots and day 50 bud porn:





JTR:



JTR x Blueberry:


PPP x Blueberry:


Cheers

 

[mc130p]

man that PPPxBB donkey dick in the back is huge!!!