The 'OG' nanners I call them. Low down little suckers that seem to never re appear as long as you blast enough light down there. A few of my keepers did that and never showed a banana since. This is a topic where I have participated in many discussions all devoid of any real science or conclusion. Only thing I found of real use so far, is that peer review has shown beyond doubt that MOST ladies that her out do not do it as clones. Some Cali Connection gear and of course Thai crosses can't be saved no matter what though. I guess it boils down to if it is a true hermaphrodite gene, or if the girls are so finicky they stress out easily at first. Mostly I have found the latter to be true, and I will only pass along risky genetics if I have EASILY tamed them myself. Still waiting for the real science to emerge slowly on this, fascinating topic most certainly!