ttystikk
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Fair enough, this explains the excessive nitrogen symptoms and the lack of flocculation.
Definitely doesn't change my opinion of the stuff.
Lets Debunk Advanced Nutrients Once and For All, A Guide For Every Noob.
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Definitely doesn't change my opinion of the stuff.
I agree that the preoccupation with AN seems odd. But, at least it's in its own thread. Not so long ago any thread by an AN user would turn into 5 pages of this thread.
Seems like an improvement to let AN users discuss their AN use without being badgered.But, when you enter the AN criticism thread you invite being challenged on your use of AN.
I think these guys make a good point. Your post seemed to validate that. You find AN's nonsensical "lineup" to be unnecessary. You placed value on the reduced cost of using just two bottles.
I'm just taking it to the next level: If AN engages in nonsense, why use anything they sell? If saving money is valuable, why spend 10-20x more?
I agree that using less AN is better. I agree 5-10 cents per gram is inexpensive. I'm just saying: if less is better, you could do better. Even though 5-10 cents per gram isn't very high for $10-$20 per gram product, the same could be said by those using more AN products and spending 30 cents per gram. You see value in reducing your costs from 30 cents per gram to 5-10 cents. I'm just saying you could go down to 1 cent (or less) and not have anything to do with a company with such a bad reputation.
I.e., your own logic leads to those questions.
But, I definitely agree: It shouldn't matter to anyone whether you use all of it or none. I try to avoid challenging AN users in other threads. If someone's happy with AN, that's fine with me. I think it's a predatory company and I try to vote with my dollars. But, that's my personal opinion which I try to keep in this thread (not obstructing other threads where AN users may wish to discuss what they do).
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It seems like CalMag+ (maybe any calmag product) is hugely acidic. I recently began using tap water with RO water to get a starting PPM of ~180 instead of using CalMag+ to replace minerals lost through RO. I'm surprised how alkaline my final nutrient mix is now. It used to be 6.1-6.2. I would add ph up to raise it to 6.5 (for soil). Now it's 6.8 and I have to use ph down. (Never had to use ph down before).
I'm hoping the minerals from the tap water is enough and I can stop using calmag. Save money on ro water, calmag and ph down.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
The point is as shown AN is just not worth the money. I know many of us on the site have used it and ran it against other less expensive less bottle lines and its almost al,ways under performs. Personally I still like Fox Farm, I like Canna, Blue Planet is a good easy use inexpensive lineup, Humboldts own Deep fusion line is good, Humbolt Countys line up is good, Heavy 16 seems to be good, and all are cheaper then AN.
nomofatum
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I applaud you, CalMag is a sucker product IMHO, sucking money out of your pocket for no good reason, good for you for getting rid of or at least working on getting rid of it in your system.
Just FYI, easier to just get a cheaper/faster filter system that will give same or better (can still filter chlorine from tap) results than mixing tap/RO. (I say this for the benefit of those who might be considering a RO system, whole home carbon filter $8, filter housing $15)
weedenhanced
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U can also just get tap water and leave it in the sun for day and it will get rid of chorine
I applaud you, CalMag is a sucker product IMHO, sucking money out of your pocket for no good reason, good for you for getting rid of or at least working on getting rid of it in your system.
Just FYI, easier to just get a cheaper/faster filter system that will give same or better (can still filter chlorine from tap) results than mixing tap/RO. (I say this for the benefit of those who might be considering a RO system, whole home carbon filter $8, filter housing $15)
ttystikk
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No need to leave it in the sun, just let it sit. For chloramines, add a tiny pinch of table sugar.
churchhaze
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Calcium nitrate (in hydro) isn't meant to be a replacement for the calcium in tap water, you need it regardless.
The calcium carbonate in tap water only provides a small portion of the plants calcium requirement even for people with very hard water. Calcium is a macro nutrient and plants need significantly more than is provided in tap.
Most hydro formulas are based on low ppm water, and provide enough calcium to supply all that is required. The perfect amount of calcium nitrate is already provided in most 2 part a+b formulas when used properly.
The calcium carbonate in tap water only provides a small portion of the plants calcium requirement even for people with very hard water. Calcium is a macro nutrient and plants need significantly more than is provided in tap.
Most hydro formulas are based on low ppm water, and provide enough calcium to supply all that is required. The perfect amount of calcium nitrate is already provided in most 2 part a+b formulas when used properly.
nomofatum
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Not right now, lol, I would just get ice that way.
churchhaze
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For soil, I wouldn't bother using calcium nitrate based products like calmag+. The soil should be built with enough insoluble calcium to last for an entire grow. Even if you do keep using RO, you will not need to supplement calcium to your water simply because a small amount was removed. The soil should already have plenty.
A good soil should be built with enough nutrients to last for months. A urea based fertilizer with a lower nitrate level and higher in ammonium is actually better for soil.
This is one of the reasons I find soil more difficult than hydroponics. It's very hard to get the amount of insoluble calcium in the soil right. It needs to be done once at the beginning, correctly.
A good soil should be built with enough nutrients to last for months. A urea based fertilizer with a lower nitrate level and higher in ammonium is actually better for soil.
This is one of the reasons I find soil more difficult than hydroponics. It's very hard to get the amount of insoluble calcium in the soil right. It needs to be done once at the beginning, correctly.
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RM3
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Because leaving water sit out does not remove Chloromine
Aeroknow
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Word home boy, word!
I want to start making my nutes from scratch.
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I think he was talking about chloramine, and what you found is about chlorine. The former doesn't aerate out like the latter.
weedenhanced
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weedenhanced
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Now I feel like a dumb shit lol I just read up about it then shoulda just shut my mouth sorry rm3
I removed the post lol only one person saw me write real dumb shit lol
weedenhanced
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In australia we have just chorine in our water not atom binded shit fck that glad I live down under
rob333
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you keep buying your AN and support child abuse in my books u are just as bad as the owner for buying the shit in the first place all people should stop buying this product cause in the end of the day the money is going into a guys poket the roots kids
King Arthur
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Is he really buying AN? I didn't see anything in that posts that says he is currently using AN.
AUSCraig
Member
Few reasons I use it.
Sensi AB works well in recirculating systems.
No ph stuffing around.
It works.
Others do not like it.
I get people not being into it. It's almost obsessive tho. Like people won't let others use it if they aren't. Not everyone wants to stuff around making your own nutes etc.
You do to some degree get what you pay for. It's easy to use and works so I'll pay that little extra whlist others don't sleep, thinking about the company for whatever reason.
Sensi AB works well in recirculating systems.
No ph stuffing around.
It works.
Others do not like it.
I get people not being into it. It's almost obsessive tho. Like people won't let others use it if they aren't. Not everyone wants to stuff around making your own nutes etc.
You do to some degree get what you pay for. It's easy to use and works so I'll pay that little extra whlist others don't sleep, thinking about the company for whatever reason.
ttystikk
Well-Known Member
The marginal benefits aren't worth the brain damage when the dry nute makers have done all the hard work already.
'High K' Hydroponic mix, calcium nitrate, epsom salt and MKP, for the W.I.N!