Organic to Chemical question.

churchhaze

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Chemicals... hmmm... So that's why so many people died smoking weed...

How many people died smoking weed again? 0? But the amount of mouths burned off is through the roof...
 

Sagethisplanet

Active Member
Yes because dispensaries have weed that kills people, lol they all use chemicals, key with chemicals is flushing at the end, it wont kill you even if you dont flush, but yes your throat might burn a little. I dislike chemicals because of how easy it is to mess up a plant and organics are much much more forgiving if you mess up a batch of nutes. I like the taste of organics anyways.
Flushing is an old myth. The plant already used all the nutes... So what are Ya flushing?? Ya know. The plant up took the nutrients and that's that. Flush if if you must but don't think it even does anything .... Thoughts....
 

az2000

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But I just mean realistically if I was to switch would I notice a big difference? Minor difference? I just feel the Organic nutrients take forever to "work" and the plants are always edging on deficient.
I used GH Flora Series 3-part which is pure synthetic. The immediacy of the nutrients made it feel like I was much more in control. If I overfed I got burnt tips. I didn't get salt buildup (much).

I switched to Grow More Sea Grow which contains organic contents. I (and others) noticed a smoother taste. The nutrients seemed to be slower acting or milder in some way. When I overfed I didn't get burnt tips. Instead, I got salt buildup (if I overfed for 4 weeks).

I'm liking the hybrid of synthetic and organic. Some immediacy. Some longer-term availability. Taste improvement without having to go 100% organic (composting soil, etc.).
 

BigTexan

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Looks like ive been growing wrong for years, didnt know these plants hated metals....Heres another more specific chart with nutes and PH. If your plants are disliking the metals however you're figuring that out im guessing youre doing it wrong.
phChart.jpg
 

Sagethisplanet

Active Member
Some pretty harsh replies there, I like it!

There is "metals" needed for plants, however the metal doesn't have to be a real metal. It can derive a different derivatives that are not actually the metal. That's the point. Cheese and rice.
Experimenting is how we achieve new ideas and go new directions that are better. People thought Thomas Edison was nuts, but now we have electricity, research and development can change the entire outlook on something. Of course the plant needs what it needs, like the human body, but we are able to take in the nutrients in different ways, and I think there is a way to do so horticulturally. Not a newbie, actually getting tired of perfect harvest time after time so it's time to come up with some new ideas and strategies that are not in the text books. Thinking outside the box. That sort of thing. I guess yall are too much into the establishment and the norm so you go by the status quo and with the grain, I like to go against the grain and find my own way off the beaten path, if George Cervantes didn't do it, none of you would be any good at growing, or if you didn't study, you would have failed school. Not like that. Never studied. Graduated with a 4 outta college. Cake. Class was optional. So didn't even go. If we dint revolt against England, we would still be paying taxes to great British across the pond, and that would be horrible. It's these sorts of things that get overlooked too often. There will be some badad results and there will eventually be amazing results.PS the world is round biatches! They thought it was flat for thousands of years and the earth was the center of the universe. Can't stand all you fippiesA.k.a. fake hippies! Just cause you wear the clothes and grab the plant and grow the plant, which by the way is a flower, Doesn't mean you should call yourselves hippies. Hippies usedis to give a shit about the earth and the people on it! Do you even know how torevolt against the man!we all need to think for ourselves and have respect for others.maybe even a little kindness would do the world some good. I think it's so sad that there are no hippies anymore?? Growing this wonderful floweris a revolution in itself! But if we want to think of ourselves as freethinkers and dreamers of a better world for everyone not just ourselves then we need to speak out and revolt against the evil people in this world.and the only thing worse than evil person is The indifference of good people. Think about it! Got Iwish John Lennon was still here! He would be ashamed.so go about your books the Internet follow what other people do and be a follower I'm going to do my own thing be myself and Lead and findsome like-minded people that are willing to take a chance experiment try something different show little wisdom and do what they feel is right. That isThe kind of person I want to learn from not y'all who think you know it all because he read a book or two there's moreto this wonderful flower then we know and it takes experimentation to find it. So you say you love this flower why don't you do something about. The reason I speak of this messed up world on this forum is becauseput as much effort into worldly matters like we did to legalize this plant in certain states just to get high is to show that we can make a change let's try something bigger than ourselves nexT!
 

Sagethisplanet

Active Member
Some pretty harsh replies there, I like it!

There is "metals" needed for plants, however the metal doesn't have to be a real metal. It can derive a different derivatives that are not actually the metal. That's the point. Cheese and rice.
Experimenting is how we achieve new ideas and go new directions that are better. People thought Thomas Edison was nuts, but now we have electricity, research and development can change the entire outlook on something. Of course the plant needs what it needs, like the human body, but we are able to take in the nutrients in different ways, and I think there is a way to do so horticulturally. Not a newbie, actually getting tired of perfect harvest time after time so it's time to come up with some new ideas and strategies that are not in the text books. Thinking outside the box. That sort of thing. I guess yall are too much into the establishment and the norm so you go by the status quo and with the grain, I like to go against the grain and find my own way off the beaten path, if George Cervantes didn't do it, none of you would be any good at growing, or if you didn't study, you would have failed school. Not like that. Never studied. Graduated with a 4 outta college. Cake. Class was optional. So didn't even go. If we dint revolt against England, we would still be paying taxes to great British across the pond, and that would be horrible. It's these sorts of things that get overlooked too often. There will be some badad results and there will eventually be amazing results.PS the world is round biatches! They thought it was flat for thousands of years and the earth was the center of the universe. Can't stand all you fippiesA.k.a. fake hippies! Just cause you wear the clothes and grab the plant and grow the plant, which by the way is a flower, Doesn't mean you should call yourselves hippies. Hippies usedis to give a shit about the earth and the people on it! Do you even know how torevolt against the man!we all need to think for ourselves and have respect for others.maybe even a little kindness would do the world some good. I think it's so sad that there are no hippies anymore?? Growing this wonderful floweris a revolution in itself! But if we want to think of ourselves as freethinkers and dreamers of a better world for everyone not just ourselves then we need to speak out and revolt against the evil people in this world.and the only thing worse than evil person is The indifference of good people. Think about it! Got Iwish John Lennon was still here! He would be ashamed.so go about your books the Internet follow what other people do and be a follower I'm going to do my own thing be myself and Lead and findsome like-minded people that are willing to take a chance experiment try something different show little wisdom and do what they feel is right. That isThe kind of person I want to learn from not y'all who think you know it all because he read a book or two there's moreto this wonderful flower then we know and it takes experimentation to find it. So you say you love this flower why don't you do something about. The reason I speak of this messed up world on this forum is because put as much effort into worldly matters like we did to legalize this plant in certain states just to get high is to show that we can make a change let's try something bigger than ourselves nexT!
I don't mean literally. Can't be the only one who else out there is try some new things who has that there was to make a change in the words of John Lennon power to the people. Peace love happiness. Let's MoveOn make a difference save the planet there's only one boat that is fighting the Japanese against the wailing. When The whales die Siri does the ocean after that it's us that die. So put on your thinking cap stop hearing about it and do something there's got to be away when there's a will there's a way! Talk is easy it's cheap it's free it'sactions that matter so stop looking away and go your way let's start the revolution. Who's with me!??! Does anybody think for themselves if so let me hear about it becausei'm not perfect but I'm trying to make a difference even if it's just a grain of sand
 

Sagethisplanet

Active Member
Charts are boring and make me sad Try something in your own way see what happens. There is an endless amounts of potential for God's flower to grow indoors as we become the creator the authorand the legend. See you on the other side peace out have fun reading books and studying charts
 

heckler73

Well-Known Member
Charts are boring and make me sad Try something in your own way see what happens. There is an endless amounts of potential for God's flower to grow indoors as we become the creator the authorand the legend. See you on the other side peace out have fun reading books and studying charts
 

churchhaze

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Wat...



Some pretty harsh replies there, I like it!

There is "metals" needed for plants, however the metal doesn't have to be a real metal. It can derive a different derivatives that are not actually the metal. That's the point. Cheese and rice.
Experimenting is how we achieve new ideas and go new directions that are better. People thought Thomas Edison was nuts, but now we have electricity, research and development can change the entire outlook on something. Of course the plant needs what it needs, like the human body, but we are able to take in the nutrients in different ways, and I think there is a way to do so horticulturally. Not a newbie, actually getting tired of perfect harvest time after time so it's time to come up with some new ideas and strategies that are not in the text books. Thinking outside the box. That sort of thing. I guess yall are too much into the establishment and the norm so you go by the status quo and with the grain, I like to go against the grain and find my own way off the beaten path, if George Cervantes didn't do it, none of you would be any good at growing, or if you didn't study, you would have failed school. Not like that. Never studied. Graduated with a 4 outta college. Cake. Class was optional. So didn't even go. If we dint revolt against England, we would still be paying taxes to great British across the pond, and that would be horrible. It's these sorts of things that get overlooked too often. There will be some badad results and there will eventually be amazing results.PS the world is round biatches! They thought it was flat for thousands of years and the earth was the center of the universe. Can't stand all you fippiesA.k.a. fake hippies! Just cause you wear the clothes and grab the plant and grow the plant, which by the way is a flower, Doesn't mean you should call yourselves hippies. Hippies usedis to give a shit about the earth and the people on it! Do you even know how torevolt against the man!we all need to think for ourselves and have respect for others.maybe even a little kindness would do the world some good. I think it's so sad that there are no hippies anymore?? Growing this wonderful floweris a revolution in itself! But if we want to think of ourselves as freethinkers and dreamers of a better world for everyone not just ourselves then we need to speak out and revolt against the evil people in this world.and the only thing worse than evil person is The indifference of good people. Think about it! Got Iwish John Lennon was still here! He would be ashamed.so go about your books the Internet follow what other people do and be a follower I'm going to do my own thing be myself and Lead and findsome like-minded people that are willing to take a chance experiment try something different show little wisdom and do what they feel is right. That isThe kind of person I want to learn from not y'all who think you know it all because he read a book or two there's moreto this wonderful flower then we know and it takes experimentation to find it. So you say you love this flower why don't you do something about. The reason I speak of this messed up world on this forum is becauseput as much effort into worldly matters like we did to legalize this plant in certain states just to get high is to show that we can make a change let's try something bigger than ourselves nexT!
 

whitebb2727

Well-Known Member
The thing about organics, you do t really get the most from it unless your all in.

What I mean is, organic is not just dumping something out of a bottle labeled organic.

Synthetics work. I used to grow trees with them.

I can do the same with organics.

I think it boils down to what your comfortable using and smoking.
 

cozz

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sagethis planet, its easy to pick out the world/life changing things people have done over the years, but what about the millions and i mean millions of things that havent worked, and you talk of things that have taken hundreds of years to come to frutition like it happened all at once, ive only got a few years left on this planet and do not have the time in everyday life to get as smahed up as you obviously are and bring idealism into a hobby that i do to have some peace, you do what makes you happy but dont become so judgmental on others who see things different, its each to there own, if you didnt follow the heard wed not be talking on this internet thingy!!!
 
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