Deusracing
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ANY THOUGHTS
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ANY THOUGHTS
foreverflyhi
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It looks like that other stuff that's in a bottle. You know, that stuff, in a bottle
whitebb2727
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But you brew yours in a jar. And your amendments come in a bag or box. If you source them and mix them in a...... Box? Bucket? Tote?
We, as humans, tend to put things in containers.
greasemonkeymann
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Nice.
Nothing like bottled mycohorrizhae ... and coupled with trichoderma no less...
You asked for my thoughts?
Well, my thoughts are I hope you didn't pay a lot for those.
Deusracing
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No sir did not. Just getting opinions trying to learn. Free samples
foreverflyhi
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Build your own soil
Deusracing
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In springtime I will
Deusracing
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Nice.
Nothing like bottled mycohorrizhae ... and coupled with trichoderma no less...
You asked for my thoughts?
Well, my thoughts are I hope you didn't pay a lot for those.
Despite all your hating on labeled organics. Do you have any suggestions. I've only been growing for a year. And attempting to try and grow more naturally. But instead of guidance I get cockiness. It's cool I get it defending your way. But I'm here asking. Any suggestions. Do I know how to build my own soil no. Do i k ow where to find beneficial bacteria no. But I did use my own fresh top soil for 30 grows adding nothing but water. So maybe some knowledge from you fellow growers instead all the hate. Maybe explain how to obtain all these earthly natural ingredients I need to grow everything. Just saying
Deusracing
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Build a soil looks interesting. But seems U still gotta buy pre packaged ingredients. Hmm I guess organics is reall a state of mind. Seems Aqua culture is truly only way 100% natural organic
foreverflyhi
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Lol sorry if I came off as cocky, hope you understand that your original post is almost no diffrent then hundreds of other post asking the same thing but only with a diffrent bottle.
But I'm glad your still here and still asking questions.
In this organic section, there's a sticky thread called rols or recycled organic living soil. The first page has all the info you need to get started, even has a couple recipes you can go off of.
I would suggest start there.
Like someone mentioned earlier. Build a soil . Com is a great and cheap way to start up a soil batch. Look into their clackmas mix with minerals. That is by far the cheaper route.
Any more questions? Keep them coming!
But I'm glad your still here and still asking questions.
In this organic section, there's a sticky thread called rols or recycled organic living soil. The first page has all the info you need to get started, even has a couple recipes you can go off of.
I would suggest start there.
Like someone mentioned earlier. Build a soil . Com is a great and cheap way to start up a soil batch. Look into their clackmas mix with minerals. That is by far the cheaper route.
Any more questions? Keep them coming!
st0wandgrow
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I would go ahead and give those bottles a try. Why not, they were free. I transitioned from synthetics using the general organics bottles and learned a lot in the process. What you need to understand is the relationship between the plant and the microbes in the soil. If you are relying on these microbes to process and deliver to the plant it's nutrients, then you are growing organically. If you skip that process and directly feed the plant you are *not* growing organically. Pretty much anything that comes in a bottle will be the latter.
Having said that, you can achieve fantastic results using bottles. I've done it, and I have seen many others do so as well. IMO utilizing the soil food web will get you the best results though. The relationship between plants and soil microorganisms has been perfected over millions of years and for my money will bring you as close to the plants genetic potential as any method of growing.
The reality is, we are all hypocrites to a certain extent. People scoff at bottles, but see no issue buying coco coir that was shipped from Indonesia, or use peat moss that was stripped from delicate peat bogs in northern Canada. Unless you are sourcing EVERYTHING from your backyard or surrounding area you have little room to talk. This includes me.
Kind of wrong there, organics is a lot more than a state of mind.
Kind of wrong there, organics is a lot more than a state of mind.
Sorry my post got all effed and cut 3/4s of it. As few as the plant and rhizoshere are concerned, there is a major difference in the way your plants will uptake nutrients and involve themselves in the life cycle of the microbes in the soil. This symbiosis is at the root of people's "genetic drift" stories and epigenetic changes. You are right in that the term organic is thrown around like crazy. To a chemist, organic means any carbon based molecule, but the way we soil folks talk about it, we are referring to organics in a botanical/ecological sense, so I can see the confusion, organic means a different thing to everyone you ask.
greasemonkeymann
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my apologies if I came across as cocky or arrogant, wasn't my intention. But you did ask for my thoughts on it, you didn't ask what I would suggest as an alternative. If you would have I would have offered a totally different approach.
So I humbly apologize if I sounded that way. I'm the last person to tell you my way is "right", it's right for me, but not everyone, it's a preference.
My point was that those products leave a LOT to be desired in regards to high quality organics, that's all I was saying.
I have smoked awesome herb from basicly every technique, from aeroponics, to hydroponics to soil to mixed to organic hydroponics, inert medias, etc, etc, and so on, and that's not even counting all the different types of nutrient "recipes" that they use.
Point is you can grow very high quality herb using damn near anything and everything.
But for organics, you can do MUCH better than those products.
But hey, it's free man, go for it.
I wouldn't personally use it, but that's because I really need my soil recipe to be heavy in IPMs, crab meal, neem meal, insect meal, etc.
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