On Solar Energy Sources

ticklykayak

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I have been wondering if Solar Energy Sources are really a reliable one. have heard of establishment or communities that use this kind of source but not so many homes have tried to have it installed. Is it about the cost? or maybe not for home purposes?
 

reddan1981

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Doer was right. The EM interference would make wireless communication damn near impossible, if you're talking about that crazy tower he was building for JP Morgan.

Or are you referring to something more subtle?
I threw his name in to imply that innovation is shut down. I agree that application of his technologies amongst our current framework of technology is impractical, not impossible. I left his name for the op to get curious and investigate. I left all other assertions for application of his technologies unsaid, because I don't fully understand and couldn't prove my assumptions regarding ionic energy retrieval lol, so to avoid embroiling my self in arguments without a solid base to argue from I've left his name, for others as a more competent person might indulge and gain further perspective.
 
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heckler73

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I threw his name in to imply that innovation is shut down. I agree that application of his technologies amongst our current framework of technology is impractical, not impossible. I left his name for the op to get curious and investigate. I left all other assertions for application of his technologies unsaid, because I don't fully understand and couldn't prove my assumptions regarding ionic energy retrieval lol, so to avoid embroiling my self in arguments without a solid base to argue from I've left his name, for others as a more competent person might indulge and gain further perspective.

Well...that sucks :lol:
I was hoping you had some info on one of his inventions which I haven't seen or something. He sure dabbled in a lot of weird areas of physics.
 

reddan1981

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Well...that sucks :lol:
I was hoping you had some info on one of his inventions which I haven't seen or something. He sure dabbled in a lot of weird areas of physics.
only the generic that is readily available already, unfortunately. However that his name has not gained notoriety baffles me. The man's knowledge was unworldly! I was semi hoping the same thing as you my mate, I find personal interpretation on subjects easier to digest than textbook tautology, I find myself reading the same sentences an un necessary amount of times and I struggle with my frustration. I will say this, my curiosity with his name is growing, recently released papers, unconventional theories on frequencies and recently a street named after him adds to some assumptions and dis trust I have on a few subjects.
 
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heckler73

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only the generic that is readily available already, unfortunately. However that his name has not gained notoriety baffles me. The man's knowledge was unworldly! I was semi hoping the same thing as you my mate, I find personal interpretation on subjects easier to digest than textbook tautology, I find myself reading the same sentences an un necessary amount of times and I struggle with my frustration.
Oh I think his name is quite well known. There's a car company named after him, eh? :lol:

As for re-reading the same sentences an unnecessary amount of times, that's par for the course, especially if you're looking at something which is akin to "textbooks". Feeling frustrated is just a side-effect. It happens to me regularly, but I know from experience, if I keep plugging away at something it will eventually start making sense. That is if it was sensible in the first place. If something is nonsense then that frustration will not disappear, and the pursuit should be abandoned. However, that is where one's personal judgment and knowledge of self become the unique factor. Not everyone knows when to make that decision, and everyone truly is different in that regard.

There is a possibility his ideas will fade from relevance as time marches on. That's perhaps the sadder part of it all. We (as a society) never really tried to use his works to advance our progress to the greatest potential, whether it be suppression out of greed or just plain ignorance. Some of his ideas still crop up though (like the Tesla Valve) which may yet have a future application. That's where one's imagination comes into play. To that end, if you find his work fascinating, you should keep digging. You may find something that causes the lightbulb to go off in your head, and if you don't understand the peculiarities of the matter, share it. Someone else may be able to fill in those gaps of understanding, while remedying their own ignorance at the same time.


That is how science generally works, after all... ;)
 

reddan1981

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heckler I always enjoy reading your posts. You are wittily polite. More people should be like you. On another note, what do you feel is happening at moment? I'm sorry I can't put more to the question, but I want to see if you assume the same subject as I intended
 

heckler73

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On another note, what do you feel is happening at moment? I'm sorry I can't put more to the question, but I want to see if you assume the same subject as I intended
Well, I'm not sure if I completely understand your question. Do you mean in relation to solar energy conversion, or Tesla's works?

If the former, the use of exotic Group II-VI elemental alloys are falling by the wayside (e.g. CdTe), and the focus is going in the direction of finding better geometries in creating semiconductor layers with Silicon, since the cost of it has dropped immensely and there are great advances in growing crystals and molecular deposition methods. But even then, it is a struggle to get efficiencies beyond 45%. That's because of heat. I'm actually in the middle of studying the physics of semiconductors now, so in a few months, I might be able to go more into depth on the subject. I believe there was a thread somewhere on here where we discussed the latest progress in that field more.

If the latter, the only people who are taking Tesla's electricity ideas seriously, AFAIK, are those on YouTube who are trying to capture the "free energy" using various coil configurations. Sadly, they are not going to get far in creating anything that achieves what are known as "over unity" devices. It is a violation of laws of physics (such as conservation of energy). Science still has a poor understanding of electricity and fields in general, as well. However, as I suggested, Tesla's mechanical ideas are being explored with interest like his valve and turbine, which both work on similar principles of using turbulence as the driving mechanism. Those ideas could be used to increase efficiencies of hydroelectric generators, for example. That's because the only "free" energy we have at our disposal are what are known as scalar potentials, like gravity.

I can't say I am that familiar with the grand body of works Tesla achieved, though, so I'm still as much in the dark as most. I'm actually pursuing ideas that incorporate the natural dipole created by water molecules falling through coils to create electricity. This effect is best demonstrated with Kelvin's Water Drop apparatus. Taking that idea and working on improving efficiencies could make something as simple as rain into a source of viable power without need for dams and bulky mechanical generators. However, my exploration in that is still in its infancy. I have much to learn still and I may be chasing a wild-goose. :lol:
 

Saulamus

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I have been wondering if Solar Energy Sources are really a reliable one. have heard of establishment or communities that use this kind of source but not so many homes have tried to have it installed. Is it about the cost? or maybe not for home purposes?
In short, the cost is currently the primary problem. It's not the cost of the cells though. The real issue is storage. Batteries to store the energy harvested during the day for use when it's needed (evening - mid-morning) are still utilizing pretty old tech. Therefore, they have to be huge, heavy, and replaced too often to justify their use.

There are several research groups and start-ups working on the problem though, driven more by the burgeoning electric auto industry than anything. I see the battery problem being solved in the next 5-7 years. Several novel materials are being investigated as we speak, which show very promising power densities (how much charge it will hold vs size or mass) and cycle lifetimes (how many times you can charge/discharge it). One I have personal knowledge of is Prieto Battery, Google it.
 

reddan1981

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The casimir effect illustrates zero point energy. A paper in the Journal Foundations of Physics letters, in August 2001, volume 14, issue 4 shows that the principles of the motionless electromagnetic generator (MEG). This device takes EM from curved space time and outputs about 20 times more energy than inputted.
 

reddan1981

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Well, I'm not sure if I completely understand your question. Do you mean in relation to solar energy conversion, or Tesla's works?

If the former, the use of exotic Group II-VI elemental alloys are falling by the wayside (e.g. CdTe), and the focus is going in the direction of finding better geometries in creating semiconductor layers with Silicon, since the cost of it has dropped immensely and there are great advances in growing crystals and molecular deposition methods. But even then, it is a struggle to get efficiencies beyond 45%. That's because of heat. I'm actually in the middle of studying the physics of semiconductors now, so in a few months, I might be able to go more into depth on the subject. I believe there was a thread somewhere on here where we discussed the latest progress in that field more.

If the latter, the only people who are taking Tesla's electricity ideas seriously, AFAIK, are those on YouTube who are trying to capture the "free energy" using various coil configurations. Sadly, they are not going to get far in creating anything that achieves what are known as "over unity" devices. It is a violation of laws of physics (such as conservation of energy). Science still has a poor understanding of electricity and fields in general, as well. However, as I suggested, Tesla's mechanical ideas are being explored with interest like his valve and turbine, which both work on similar principles of using turbulence as the driving mechanism. Those ideas could be used to increase efficiencies of hydroelectric generators, for example. That's because the only "free" energy we have at our disposal are what are known as scalar potentials, like gravity.

I can't say I am that familiar with the grand body of works Tesla achieved, though, so I'm still as much in the dark as most. I'm actually pursuing ideas that incorporate the natural dipole created by water molecules falling through coils to create electricity. This effect is best demonstrated with Kelvin's Water Drop apparatus. Taking that idea and working on improving efficiencies could make something as simple as rain into a source of viable power without need for dams and bulky mechanical generators. However, my exploration in that is still in its infancy. I have much to learn still and I may be chasing a wild-goose. :lol:
Doer was right. The EM interference would make wireless communication damn near impossible, if you're talking about that crazy tower he was building for JP Morgan.

Or are you referring to something more subtle?
just to show you I was justified in my response to doer,
paper written by Theodor C. Loder, III, Professor Emeritus at the Institute for the Study of Earth, Oceans and Space at the University of New Hampshire. He outlined the importance of these concepts in his paper titled Space and Terrestrial Transportation and Energy Technologies For The 21st Century (2).
There is significant evidence that scientists since Tesla have known about this energy, but that its existence and potential use has been discouraged and indeed suppressed over the past half century or more (2) – Dr. Theodor C. Loder III
Harold E. Puthoff, an American Physicist and Ph.D. from Stanford University, as a researcher at the institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Texas published a paper in the journal Physical Review A, atomic, molecular and optical physics titled “Gravity as a zero-point-fluctuation force(3)” . His paper proposed a suggestive model in which gravity is not a separately existing fundamental force, but is rather an induced effect associated with zero-point fluctuations of the vacuum, as illustrated by the Casimir force. This is the same professor that had close connections with Department of Defense initiated research in regards to remote viewing. The findings of this research are highly classified, and the program was instantly shut down not longer after its initiation (4).
Another astonishing paper titled “Extracting energy and heat from the vacuum,” by the same researchers, this time in conjunction with Daniel C. Cole, Ph.D. and Associate Professor at Boston University in the Department of Mechanical Engineering was published in the same journal (5).
Relatively recent proposals have been made in the literature for extracting energy and heat from electromagnetic zero-point radiation via the use of the Casimir force. The basic thermodynamics involved in these proposals is analyzed and clarified here, with the conclusion that yes, in principle, these proposals are correct (5).
Furthermore, a paper in the journal Physical Review A, Puthoff titled “Source of vacuum electromagnetic zero-point energy (6),” Puthoff describes how nature provides us with two alternatives for the origin of electromagnetic zero-point energy. One of them is generation by the quantum fluctuation motion of charged particles that constitute matter. His research shows that particle motion generates the zero-point energy spectrum, in the form of a self-regenerating cosmological feedback cycle.​
 

Saulamus

Active Member
The casimir effect illustrates zero point energy. A paper in the Journal Foundations of Physics letters, in August 2001, volume 14, issue 4 shows that the principles of the motionless electromagnetic generator (MEG). This device takes EM from curved space time and outputs about 20 times more energy than inputted.
Checked it out, that letter is just the mathematical explanation of the MEG. T. E. Bearden's group filed a patent on the generator, but I didn't look any further than that yet. My guess is that it's like so many other inventions, it got patented and that was the end of it. Either no one wants to fund its development, the professor wants too much of a cut from anyone interested in developing it, or the university gets ownership of the invention and never does anything with it.
 

Rrog

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I'm installing a 5kV+ panel array later this year. I don't have to store the juice to make this financially viable for me today.
 

heckler73

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I'm installing a 5kV+ panel array later this year. I don't have to store the juice to make this financially viable for me today.

Do you have specs on that array, by chance? I'm curious about the state of consumer technology, since I'm currently dealing with hypothetical limits in study. What are you using for an inverter?
 

heckler73

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just to show you I was justified in my response to doer,

. His paper proposed a suggestive model in which gravity is not a separately existing fundamental force, but is rather an induced effect associated with zero-point fluctuations of the vacuum, as illustrated by the Casimir force.

Yes...I am familiar with that subject. I don't know about your argument with Doer, however.
Is it serious like "3 days of the Condor" style? Does it involve Faye Dunaway?


 

Rrog

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Will be using the new Enphase M250. They are heavier than the previous M215. The planned replacement of the inverters 1/2 way through the life expectancy of the panels was a limiting factor when looking at this as an investment. The M250 lifespan, along with good cables protects my initial investment longer

Enphase has great info of all sorts online.
 

heckler73

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Will be using the new Enphase M250. They are heavier than the previous M215. The planned replacement of the inverters 1/2 way through the life expectancy of the panels was a limiting factor when looking at this as an investment. The M250 lifespan, along with good cables protects my initial investment longer

Enphase has great info of all sorts online.
It has a max feed of 48V and 310W. What panels are you using and how are they being arranged?
 

Scarce26

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I have been wondering if Solar Energy Sources are really a reliable one. have heard of establishment or communities that use this kind of source but not so many homes have tried to have it installed. Is it about the cost? or maybe not for home purposes?
I would like to invest with solar panels also because I believe that it helps to stop global warming which threatens the survival of human society, as well as the survival of other species here in our planet. Of course it’s dependable the rising and setting of the sun is extremely consistent. We know exactly when it will rise and set every day of the year. However,
the disadvantage is that the sun doesn’t shine 24 hours a day. When the sun goes down or is heavily shaded, solar PV panels stop producing electricity. If we need electricity at that time, we have to get it from some other source. In other words, we couldn’t be 100% powered by solar panels. At the very least, we need batteries to store electricity produced by solar panels for use sometime later.
 

heckler73

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I would like to invest with solar panels also because I believe that it helps to stop global warming which threatens the survival of human society, as well as the survival of other species here in our planet. Of course it’s dependable the rising and setting of the sun is extremely consistent.
What's stopping you from investing in them now?
 
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