TonightYou
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I know, you hate anyone who isn't Christian and think Islam is the devil. Perhaps I'm over simplifying but you've yet to prove otherwise in positioning yourself with any form of nuance
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King Arthur
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I don't mind disagreeing at times but it seems like we agree on this one too brother lol.
TonightYou
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Neither do I. I like to challenge my own beliefs as well as others. Besides, if everyone agreed the world would be a boring place.
Yet if someone wants to be a bigot just come out and wave the bigot flag. No reason to try and hide ones hate. It shines through anyways despite what one wants to pretend it isn't.
King Arthur
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He is off in another thread picking on poor ol mustache
TonightYou
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Once he doesn't like someone, that's pretty much what he does. Not sure why, but apparently it's his form of entertainment. Not that Brek didn't instigate at times, but certainly not to the point Amos takes pleasure in.
Amos Otis
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You boys can't see the forest for the trees.......are missing the point.....can't see the big picture....etc
You think they be all quazy 'bout dem Mohammed cartoons? Simple as that?
King Arthur
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But why keep calling him out after he has been banned over and over.... lololol.
I don't know why they did it, maybe to shut down the paper for good and spread a message to other newspapers or they felt like their religion was personally insulted. OR they were just mentally ill and found it to be what they were supposed to do in life..You boys can't see the forest for the trees.......are missing the point.....can't see the big picture....etc
You think they be all quazy 'bout dem Mohammed cartoons? Simple as that?
You are correct I don't get it...
TonightYou
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Yep they are simple animals and Islam is bad.... we get it dudeYou boys can't see the forest for the trees.......are missing the point.....can't see the big picture....etc
You think they be all quazy 'bout dem Mohammed cartoons? Simple as that?
Amos Otis
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Certainement pas!
Amos Otis
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TonightYou
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Certainement oui!
King Arthur
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At least you're closer than this brainiac ~!
Amos Otis
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17 dead in Paris, including 12 pornographers....uhh....I mean....free speech heroes...
Worldwide sympathy.......support....mourning...."Je suis Charlie! "
And yet......barely a peep about this massacre.
"On Friday, Amnesty International released a report about a recent series of attacks by Boko Haram that killed hundreds, if not thousands of people in Nigeria."
http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-kills-too-many-count-nigeria-213047395--politics.html
Worldwide sympathy.......support....mourning...."Je suis Charlie! "
And yet......barely a peep about this massacre.
"On Friday, Amnesty International released a report about a recent series of attacks by Boko Haram that killed hundreds, if not thousands of people in Nigeria."
http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-kills-too-many-count-nigeria-213047395--politics.html
Amos Otis
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"by all accounts he played the smallest role of anyone in Room 219. He hadn’t driven the car that brought in the weed, nor was he the one who carried it out of the motel room. Despite all that, he got by far the harshest sentence: life in prison, with no possibility of parole."
http://news.yahoo.com/meet-grandpa-doing-life-without-parole-pot-105555273.html
http://news.yahoo.com/meet-grandpa-doing-life-without-parole-pot-105555273.html
TonightYou
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That was actually a well written article for the source being yahoo.
Several things come to mind.
- "A history of crime" - no he was caught only a couple of times prior for nonviolent drug offenses. Hardly a "lifetime of crime".
- Plea deals - often seem to be a means of pressuring people to take a charge that otherwise could be fought. Yet if one does, they are threatened with more harsh sentences. This is nothing short of extortion.
- why didn't the sellers get charged? Why are the providers getting to walk, but the buyer, with no money changing hands mind you, yet a man taking a lb or two is getting a life sentence?
- The problem with "three strikes" rules. Prison should be for those who are a danger to society. A nonviolent drug offender doesn't fit that definition. Even following the logic he broke the law, surely there is a more appropriate punishment than incarceration.
- As stated in the article, he's already cost the state more than $400 k in taxpayers money. Certainly this is wasteful, and an otherwise expense that could be spent on violent offenders.
- The sentence of life in prison for cannabis is ridiculous. Here is an otherwise productive person being held in terrible conditions for a victimless crime (in my opinion all drug crimes are, regardless of substance as long as violence isn't utilized in the dealings)
- As the victim of this situation stated, it affects everyone in his family, as well as society. It benefits no one.
Mr.Head
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If they want to lock people up for nonviolent crimes they need to make jails for nonviolent criminals. Putting a nonviolent offender in with violent offenders is a human rights issue. They are putting people in an unsafe environment for profit. It's horrible.
good luck finding the funding for that.
This is the joy of privatized prisons. They have to fill the quotas and they will.
good luck finding the funding for that.
This is the joy of privatized prisons. They have to fill the quotas and they will.
TonightYou
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Sadly you are correct. I started doing some research for a potential paper I wished to write, and still do. What I found in my early research was:
- States do in fact have contacts in place guaranteeing a fulfillment of prisoners. Failure to do do actually cost the state more money.
- Recidivism rates in large part can be for stupid violations. Sometimes for living arrangements. Missing appointments is common (lack of transportation), not paying fees (hard to do when you don't have a job), and a variety of other things many on parole have trouble with.
- Locking up people costs more in many states if not most than all educational expenses.
- The idea of privatization to save money certainly hasn't come to fruition. In fact incarceration cost rise yearly on a per prisoner basis.
- In the United States, unlike other developed countries, do not try to actually provide work skills or readjustment after paying their debt to society. I'm happy to see in some states, making the question on applications for hiring omitting the question of criminal history/offenses.
- Minorities are disproportionately sentenced longer for crimes than white criminals.
- Lack of legal resources for the poor greatly increases the odds of incarceration and accepting a plea deal
Mr.Head
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I've seen kids go in and come out killers and end up back in within the year for yearS. Some dude had beef with me, swung on me a few times. I was high as fuck and didn't actually fight him, lol, thank god though. Dude stabbed a dude 2 weeks later.
He was a nice good dude before he went in and came out a fuckin G. He came out with that jail mentality, someone didn't let him in a party and it was over. I knew folks dude grew up with, we straightened shit out, the guy was an amazing freestyler and had a real talent for music and his life is over because he's an idiot and killed some dude over nothing.
Jail is for folks who are violent in the first place, not where you send people to join a fucking gang out of necessity and become violent. If these politicians would take 2 seconds to learn about the fucking streets, and how prison culture is a direct influence of behaviors of folks in ghettos perhaps they would realize how many killers they are manufacturing in their factories. Locking a human being up like a fucking rat should be saved for the violent members of society. The members of society you don't want to let back out, the folks you don't want other folks associating with.
You certainly don't let these folks straight out in the streets from that world. Prison is the punishment, you then need to rehabilitate people from the prison. But that's an expense, and it's not about rehabilitating people anymore, it's become a for-profit-business, that mentality is going to create even worse violent offenders because the folks inside the system genuinely give no fucks.
No one can tell me the folks I know that went in for stupid shit, not hurting no body shit, wouldn't have been good members of society if the judge decided the other way.
I stayed out, God only knows how I would have been.
He was a nice good dude before he went in and came out a fuckin G. He came out with that jail mentality, someone didn't let him in a party and it was over. I knew folks dude grew up with, we straightened shit out, the guy was an amazing freestyler and had a real talent for music and his life is over because he's an idiot and killed some dude over nothing.
Jail is for folks who are violent in the first place, not where you send people to join a fucking gang out of necessity and become violent. If these politicians would take 2 seconds to learn about the fucking streets, and how prison culture is a direct influence of behaviors of folks in ghettos perhaps they would realize how many killers they are manufacturing in their factories. Locking a human being up like a fucking rat should be saved for the violent members of society. The members of society you don't want to let back out, the folks you don't want other folks associating with.
You certainly don't let these folks straight out in the streets from that world. Prison is the punishment, you then need to rehabilitate people from the prison. But that's an expense, and it's not about rehabilitating people anymore, it's become a for-profit-business, that mentality is going to create even worse violent offenders because the folks inside the system genuinely give no fucks.
No one can tell me the folks I know that went in for stupid shit, not hurting no body shit, wouldn't have been good members of society if the judge decided the other way.
I stayed out, God only knows how I would have been.
TonightYou
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It shouldn't only be punishment. That's one aspect of incarceration. The main point is paying ones debts to society for their wrongs. Rehabilitation was lost a long time ago I'm afraid based on the lack of opportunities and programs for those in prison.
I certainly agree with your point that jail and prison only makes better prisoners. Also known as Con College.
Mr.Head
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I was listening to some terrible rapper with face tats talk about how he got a masters in psychology in the penn. For real? That's what they got these guys focused on?
How about how to integrate back into society, not some bullshit course that will never get looked at as equivalent to a degree obtained outside the prison system. The prison system is like the School systems in the 90's they pass everyone on everything so it looks like they are succeeding, in the mean time you got a bunch of illiterate folks that can't spell their own names getting given "degrees".
Remember when North America fudged the numbers and had the best school systems in the world? Wasn't just you yanks, we went threw reform to get away from that shit up here in the cold north too.
Dude gets a PHd in prison it stands for Prison House Dummy, dudes think they are improving themselves? for real? You got some fake ass plaque, get out the joint and go to a real fucking school and see how you do on your papers. LoL. When the entire system hinges on a dude passing a course I am pretty sure they are going to pass him. Gotta make it look like they are educating folks.... sigh.
The system is set up to see these guys they are giving degrees to come walking back threw the same door in a few months of being outside. They don't want anyone to actually succeed outside, only inside.
It's all a giant joke set up to look like it's working. The worst part is everyone knows it's a joke, but no one cares enough to try and fix the issue.
The only way I see the for profit prison system ever getting shut down is if some international organization makes it a serious human rights violation and shames countries into accepting the costs of rehabbing their citizens properly. Then again the rules on torture get ignored so I am sure a shaming wouldn't do much good... too much money involved now.
I don't get how the system can be profitable when these private prisons are taking government money still... it's not like they are independent, as you said they still take state money if they aren't filled and they design em to get that money...
Borked.
How about how to integrate back into society, not some bullshit course that will never get looked at as equivalent to a degree obtained outside the prison system. The prison system is like the School systems in the 90's they pass everyone on everything so it looks like they are succeeding, in the mean time you got a bunch of illiterate folks that can't spell their own names getting given "degrees".
Remember when North America fudged the numbers and had the best school systems in the world? Wasn't just you yanks, we went threw reform to get away from that shit up here in the cold north too.
Dude gets a PHd in prison it stands for Prison House Dummy, dudes think they are improving themselves? for real? You got some fake ass plaque, get out the joint and go to a real fucking school and see how you do on your papers. LoL. When the entire system hinges on a dude passing a course I am pretty sure they are going to pass him. Gotta make it look like they are educating folks.... sigh.
The system is set up to see these guys they are giving degrees to come walking back threw the same door in a few months of being outside. They don't want anyone to actually succeed outside, only inside.
It's all a giant joke set up to look like it's working. The worst part is everyone knows it's a joke, but no one cares enough to try and fix the issue.
The only way I see the for profit prison system ever getting shut down is if some international organization makes it a serious human rights violation and shames countries into accepting the costs of rehabbing their citizens properly. Then again the rules on torture get ignored so I am sure a shaming wouldn't do much good... too much money involved now.
I don't get how the system can be profitable when these private prisons are taking government money still... it's not like they are independent, as you said they still take state money if they aren't filled and they design em to get that money...
Borked.