New Theory aims to explain how life, where possible, is actually inevitable....
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Nevaeh420
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Beefbisquit/Ceepea, did you know that NASA is saying that as many as 1 in 5 stars have Earth-like twins? And at least 1 in 20 stars have an Earth-like planet in orbit around that said star?
That would imply that there are at least billions of Earth-like twin planets in our galaxy alone!
~PEACE~
tyler.durden
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Good to see you around, BB. Nice post. I've always thought that biology is simply complex enough chemistry, perhaps with a small catalytic start. I remember reading how close we're getting to achieving synthetic a-biogenesis in the lab a few years ago - http://www.livescience.com/3214-life-created-lab.html
I think eventually HS students will create life in the lab as part of the biology curriculum...
I think eventually HS students will create life in the lab as part of the biology curriculum...
justugh
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life has always been like that
no matter what the evo is life will come about with time .....fractal patterns prove that
something simple starts.....and as time goes and they encounter other elements and variables the life form adapts and becomes more complex life form but the whole time they are just repeating the simple fractal pattern in large it as it goes
the sheer size of the universe the number of galaxies we have counted the number of planets we seen ........life is out there and given we are on the edge of the galaxy meaning our planet was one of the last to form odds are near the center of the milky way there is some other form of life odds much more complex and far down the evo chain since their planet would have been formed billions of years before ours
my proof look at the ocean floor life at those depths and near those active vents with temps in the 300 range or better ........there is even a cell called a water bear that is able to well freeze for centuries and when it unfreezes it is alive again (it can survive a trip in space as long as it is protected from the heat on entry to a planet it could be the starting spark for a new set of beings ..........those are 2 extreme places and life adapted
no matter what the evo is life will come about with time .....fractal patterns prove that
something simple starts.....and as time goes and they encounter other elements and variables the life form adapts and becomes more complex life form but the whole time they are just repeating the simple fractal pattern in large it as it goes
the sheer size of the universe the number of galaxies we have counted the number of planets we seen ........life is out there and given we are on the edge of the galaxy meaning our planet was one of the last to form odds are near the center of the milky way there is some other form of life odds much more complex and far down the evo chain since their planet would have been formed billions of years before ours
my proof look at the ocean floor life at those depths and near those active vents with temps in the 300 range or better ........there is even a cell called a water bear that is able to well freeze for centuries and when it unfreezes it is alive again (it can survive a trip in space as long as it is protected from the heat on entry to a planet it could be the starting spark for a new set of beings ..........those are 2 extreme places and life adapted
Ceepea
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Fractal patterns, are just that.....patterns. There is nothing in evolution to suggest that the same evolution will occur again (why would it?).... If you mean something different, please explain.
Thanks, TD.... I'm still floating around here from time to time....
justugh
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no fractal patterns are the key .....they repeat just like dna ........the repeating pattern as the cell gets larger allow it to alter and change into something complex but the orginal pattern is still there just getting more complexFractal patterns, are just that.....patterns. There is nothing in evolution to suggest that the same evolution will occur again (why would it?).... If you mean something different, please explain.
Thanks, TD.... I'm still floating around here from time to time....
it is the whole base of nature patterns that repeat interlocking to make something more complex to the point is where it is now they depend on each other to keep repeating the patterns that have been formed .......order in the chaos
Ceepea
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I don't think that just because fractal patterns exist that they're the key to understanding the universe or DNA for that matter. It just happens to be a pattern found in nature...
Assigning meaning to something does not make it meaningful.
eye exaggerate
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Ceepea
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Heya Eye, how you been?
Typically in math, if something is given meaning there is an explanation, and usually an equation of sorts that follows. It shows how point A leads to point B.
How, with regards to fractal patterns, do we get from "A", e.g. fractal patterns exist, to "B" e.g. therefore, life must rise from non-life by necessity?
I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying no work has been done to validate this stance.
justugh
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if u take time off and just step back from life/rat race and watch
u will see those patterns in life repeating everywhere if u can match the pattern u can predict the likely outcomes and adjust your choices accordingly
i come to the thinking with today computers and the amount of rare data from every experiment on the planet ....if it was all inputted into one system we could made computer models of the human body and completely stop all human testing ......but that will never happen because it is my ball and i do not want to share complex
life is the same way with out that basic math to help form life it would not exist
u will see those patterns in life repeating everywhere if u can match the pattern u can predict the likely outcomes and adjust your choices accordingly
i come to the thinking with today computers and the amount of rare data from every experiment on the planet ....if it was all inputted into one system we could made computer models of the human body and completely stop all human testing ......but that will never happen because it is my ball and i do not want to share complex
life is the same way with out that basic math to help form life it would not exist
eye exaggerate
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Doing alright, well enough to keep going! And you?
Single cells grouped into multi-celled organisms to gain more awareness = greater chance at survival (jmo). A single cell receiving too much information disintegrates, therefore a singularity would have created a disintegration of the original unity? I guess that makes us all a bunch of lowly disintegrates
justugh
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the cell alters and adapts or it dies off and another one with a slight different do to environment or something and it is done again and it will adapt or die
that is the first law of nature .....adapt or die .....the deep sea vents prove this (no solar light all thermal energy and a whole Eco system is formed) before we found that all life on this planet we knew of was based off solar energy ....nature is the ultimate trail and error tester
everything we know as life is still based of a organic matter .....but as we seen in life all variables are given a chance .......why not a energy based life or Silicon......hell my mom was blind so i keep ear to ground about that stuff u know they can implant a microchip giving 40% limit vision back to a person with no rejection that i heard of ........so hybrids are more then possible in our life times
that is the first law of nature .....adapt or die .....the deep sea vents prove this (no solar light all thermal energy and a whole Eco system is formed) before we found that all life on this planet we knew of was based off solar energy ....nature is the ultimate trail and error tester
everything we know as life is still based of a organic matter .....but as we seen in life all variables are given a chance .......why not a energy based life or Silicon......hell my mom was blind so i keep ear to ground about that stuff u know they can implant a microchip giving 40% limit vision back to a person with no rejection that i heard of ........so hybrids are more then possible in our life times
eye exaggerate
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Glad to hear you're well - not getting married, are you?
It was more of a playful play on words, I was saying a single cell was like a singularity. The membrane of the cell can only process so much information, afaik, and relays to the nucleus how to respond genetically to the environment. I'll try to find some of the places where I was reading that. There's a good bunch of it that makes good sense to me, but articulating more than the gist of it is not something I'd delve into just yet. (so, punch line) In the fractal sense, when cells are in proper commune with each other the entire organism is well, and so on, and so on, and so on... Fractals generate an order out of their environment, so that's where I was in my thinking.
Maybe that answered your question ok? We have different styles of expression and interpretation but I think there's an underlying order to the posts. (bah-dum-tish)
dannyboy602
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Very interested in fractals.
I read part of dude's new theory. I'm always interested in how it relates to origin of life.
I search for truth despite everything and I cant get this vid outta my head...it it real? Is it bs? God I wish I wasn't brought up catholic. Thats it...now im really goin to hell.
I read part of dude's new theory. I'm always interested in how it relates to origin of life.
I search for truth despite everything and I cant get this vid outta my head...it it real? Is it bs? God I wish I wasn't brought up catholic. Thats it...now im really goin to hell.
justugh
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hahaha your not going to hell for learning .......i have lost track of how many time i have said those words (oh i am going to hell now)
the idea i intro is a old one it is the method of making order out of chaos ........if u apply this to chaos theory models u will see what i am talking about a pattern.......as the starting event it outplays more increasing in complexity as it grows and then interacts with other variables that form a whole new set set that keeping and going in a never ending cycle all based on one thing
sooner or later some complex form of life shots up and saids i think there for i am .......some ppl even think it is us life the ever possible energy and change is what the big bang is ....others say is it the collapsing universe before hitting critical volume and exploding like super nova
here is a thinker it hurts my head somewhere out there is a center point to all this the whole know universe now going out is a shockwave of energy mass traveling away from that point like a giant expanding bubble ..........this means there is something on the other side of that energy something it is expanding into like a bomb in water u see it displace the water around it making a vacuum with debre everywhere floating in that vacuum for a sec then the pressure of the water pushes back in and u get a 2nd smaller one deformed some
tyler.durden
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That clip is from a movie entitled 'Zeitgeist', which is considered by experts to be conspiracy theory crap, a la 'Loose Change'. There is no actual support for its claims, just a bunch of illogical anecdotes. To give you an idea of its credibility, Nevaeh wholeheartedly endorses the film and it seems to be a large part the genesis of his delusions. Yikes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(film_series)
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Ceepea
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Not necessarily.
You're assuming there's something to "expand into", but the ability to "expand into" something assumes there's space.... What if space doesn't exist outside of the universe?
justugh
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but it has too otherwise the energy would reach the end and rebound in killing everything it made ..........it has to keep traveling out for that to happen there has to be something out there to travel into otherwise it is like a bath tub u make that ripple it goes out hits the wall and bounces back countering the ripples ending in nothing everything being canceled out