Hooligans against Salafists : Germany

[ginwilly]

lemme guess, The Slug King has oozed out of his lair and is crying "That's Racist!!"

i bet he is trying to continue his attempt to argue that Chicanos are imaginary as well.

lemme know if he makes any statements of fact, so i can discredit his bullshit again

I doubt I read anymore of his posts today. I mostly just skim or completely ignore these days and when I do read them it's the same tired shit. If something original is posted by him, we'll do fireworks or something.

 

[UncleBuck]

I doubt I read anymore of his posts today. I mostly just skim or completely ignore these days and when I do read them it's the same tired shit. If something original is posted by him, we'll do fireworks or something.

your white supremacist buddy has been barking up this "multiculturalism is homogeneity and wants to wipe out european influences" tree nearly verbatim for several years now.

here he is repeating the same thing nearly verbatim two years ago.

multiculturalism is not "multi-racialism" it concerns itself with eliminating the differences between groups by imposing a single homogeneous addmixture of all the "good culture" of the world while carefully eliminating all the "negative influences" which just happen to be the western, and european influences.

now tell me who is being unoriginal here.



loser.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

No, you did not.
fleeing a backward shithole by immigrating to another country is a great idea.
dragging all the fail of somalia, syria, guatamala or laos with you when you flee is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE

even an idiot recognizes this simple fact, but leftists are apparently stupider than the average idiot.

if somalia were such a great place to live, why would somalis flee to america (or france or germany etc) in the first place?
if, as we must assume, those somalis were trying to escape the wretched life they had in somalia, WHY THE FUCK would i want them to bring that same shit with them to my country?

therefore, we must assume that lefties WANT the US, france germany etc to become MORE LIKE SOMALIA, but they cant very well make that statement so the instead cry "That's Racist!!" and invent other avenues to ensure that the beautiful somali culture of sectarian violence, warlords, janjaweed murderers, famine, failed marxism, successful anarchy and festive holiday cannibalism are protected and allowed to flourish here in the US

meanwhile, other somalis who escaped that wretched land and made it to america's shores DONT WANT TO GO BACK, and would rather become americans like so many other immigrants have before.
those guys we should keep.


NO. i do not believe that immmigration = success.

success encourages immigration. thats why so few people build rickety rafts in florida in the hopes of paddling through shark infested waters to the marxist utopia of cuba.

failed states drive people out, successful states attract people, but if the successful states allow the immigrants to bring the very fail that destroyed their last home, how long will they remain successful?
adding in the thinly veiled "That's Racist!!" clause at the end was transparent.


those who dont assimilate are NOT immigrants. they are visitors, or squatters.



i am not "scared" of homogenization, i reject it.

if the standard view of "multiculturalism" were the same today as it was in the 18th century europe would still be "colonizing" and "civilizing" the third world in an attempt to force their social norms on others, instead the post-modernists have flipped the script and are trying to force third world values on the rest of us.

your rejection of your own cultural norms, your own social structures and the foundations of the very society that allows you the self-indulgent freedom to reject it, is YOUR problem, not mine.

if you want to be a sad little hipster and prove to everyone how unbiased you are by embracing everything that you know is crap, then wallow away.

if you eventually realize that your entire worldview has been carefully manufactured by post-modern deconstructionists for the express purpose of making you a compliant consumer and a willing participant in your own destruction, then maybe you can join the grownups at the table.

until then, i recommend self-reflection.

ponder WHY you equate being part of the greatest and most successful society in history is wrong, consider why the acheivements of your grandparents should bring you shame, and contemplate what the world might look like if everyone actually embraced the contrived self-referential hipsterism that you have, where everything is equally important and equally valued, which naturally means NOTHING has value.

if you think universal dadaism is a utopia, then you werent gonna contribute anything to society anyhow.

Thank you for expanding on my questions, I was not 'race baiting' as you seem to suggest. I post here with the express intent to avoid being rude and forceful with my discussions when at all possible, I encourage discussions not name calling and labeling. FYI some of our past banned members and also Stormfront has taught me that BIGOTED is the correct word instead of racist. I was asking if you would prefer a planet full of nations that were only filled with their aboriginal peoples because you seem to specifically be pointing to that very thing.

I understand that specific people are not optimal for emigration, criminals and the like. These are people that should stay where they are please. Entire nations worth of people though? You would have us close the borders then, correct?

Your frequency to label people as 'left' or 'right' has thrown debris in your logic machine. When you labeled me a hipster I actually laughed out loud.

You are an interesting individual, thank you for your response. I appreciate the discourse.

 

[UncleBuck]

i am not "scared" of homogenization, i reject it.

bullshit.

why else would you conjure up such ridiculous conspiracy theories about it if you were not shitting your pants over it?

see below.

and again multiculturalism is newspeak for Uniculturalism. the destruction of all individuality in favour of a uniform single mindset and world view which is dictated by our new overlords, the politically correct dictators who decide what is and is not worthy of existence.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Thank you for expanding on my questions, I was not 'race baiting' as you seem to suggest. I post here with the express intent to avoid being rude and forceful with my discussions when at all possible, I encourage discussions not name calling and labeling. FYI some of our past banned members and also Stormfront has taught me that BIGOTED is the correct word instead of racist. I was asking if you would prefer a planet full of nations that were only filled with their aboriginal peoples because you seem to specifically be pointing to that very thing.

I understand that specific people are not optimal for emigration, criminals and the like. These are people that should stay where they are please. Entire nations worth of people though? You would have us close the borders then, correct?

Your frequency to label people as 'left' or 'right' has thrown debris in your logic machine. When you labeled me a hipster I actually laughed out loud.

You are an interesting individual, thank you for your response. I appreciate the discourse.

first, thank you for your courtesy, i shall endeavor to be polite as well.

lemme 'splain:

a) Race is not Culture. opposing destructive cultural influences is NOT racism or bigotry. making a rational choice to oppose fundamentalist islam, revolutionary marxism, the plague of "christian identity" psuedo-religion, ritual genital mutilation, fascism (one variety of non-revolutionary marxism), voodoo, the roman catholic church, cannibalism, ritual murder cults like the thuggee or anarchism is not racism or bigotry, it is a rational and valid value judgement.

b) all forms of cultural expression are NOT equally valid (see above)

c) leaving one land that is crushed under the bootheel of a dictator, destroyed by anarchism or dominated by a retrograde religious cult, yet insisting on bringing all those problems with you to a new land is not a rational choice, it is retarded, but too many immigrants do just that.

d) if somebody wants to become french, the best plan would be to move to france, where frenchness is the special of the day.

e) if you want to be french, and already live in france, wtf is the problem? have some wine, eat some snails and be rude to tourists.

f) if you want to be french, speak french, eat french food and be rude to tourists, yet insist on doing that in san francisco, well sure. you can do that, it's not a big deal. knock yourself out.

g) if you want to be a frenchman, but move to burkina faso, you cant really complain if shit doesnt work out for you

h) if you want to be a janjaweed murderer, throw acid in little girls faces, or hang burning car tires around somebody's neck, there are countries where that shit is considered acceptable. go find one.

i) if you try that shit in my town, it's not racism or bigotry when the arresting officer kicks a mud hole in your ass, then stomps it dry. that is Conscientious Policework.

j) to sum up, expecting your host nation to meekly accept the kind of bullshit that drove you out of your previous home is a non-starter. why wouldnt you simply stay in somalia if thats what youre into?

i hope that clears it up.

 

[UncleBuck]

Race is not Culture.

that's funny.

you have made that claim many times, but you give yourself away.

for example, you claimed that san jose was not "multicultural" enough, despite its 4 way split between races. however, downtown oakland, which is predominantly black, is multiculutral according to you.

according to your own words, multicultural to you means predominantly black.

red1966 has done the same thing. he says blacks are "worthy of fear and distrust", but that this is due to their culture, not their race.

but he also gives himself away when he says if you want a good dose of black culture, go to the south side of chicago (which is predominantly black).

"it's their culture, not their race" might as well go on my bingo card.

in terms you might understand, it is to racism what "i'm anti-zionist, not anti-jew" is to antisemitism.

opposing destructive cultural influences is NOT racism or bigotry.

it's not, but how you go about it is.

for example, when we discussed civil rights, you went off on a tangent about how you should be allowed to deny employment to an otherwise qualified black applicant because you just "feel" that he is a pederast or criminal.

let's review, shall we?

if you ran an elementary school, and an applicant for a janitorial job set off all your internal alarm bells, you would still have to hire him if he were a "protected minority" even if your hippocampus were screaming "Pederast! Pederast! Pederast!" in the back of your brain.

why should i be compelled to disregard my own judgement out of fear of reprisal from the government?

you gave multiple other examples in that post based purely in your own bigotry and racism, which i rebutted here.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/democrats-to-bureaucratize-sex-in-california.841048/page-12#post-10795362

you never rebutted, because you can't.

quit trying to frame your racism as "cultural chauvinism" in favor of "european culturl superiority". we all know what your euphemisms mean by now.

 

[UncleBuck]

Race is not Culture.

let's see how well this theory of yours holds up AS ESPOUSED by people like you.

...black men are worthy of fear and distrust...The truth is that black males are just more inclined to criminality. I believe this has nothing to do with their skin color, but is culturally and politically based.

here is red1966 saying that black men are worthy of fear and distrust, and more inclined to criminality, and that this is "culturally based".

so what is black culture to red then?

Tour the southside on foot and get a taste for the local culture.

oh, that spells it out quite nicely. black culture is wherever black people are. in this case, the 93% black south side of chicago.

well, that was transparent enough. let's check in with kynes himself.

if you want a real "Multicultural Experience" move into an apartment block in san francisco' "Tenderloin" (no homo), or central oakland.

not hard to see what he means by downtown oakland.

san jose, where i lived, was an almost even split between white, black, hispanic, and asian.

did kynes consider that multicultural?

nope.

but then it is San Jose, not Richmond Oakland or Vallejo.

but i suppose the more predominantly black areas were "multicultural".

it's transparent as all holy fuck.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

first, thank you for your courtesy, i shall endeavor to be polite as well.

lemme 'splain:

a) Race is not Culture. opposing destructive cultural influences is NOT racism or bigotry. making a rational choice to oppose fundamentalist islam, revolutionary marxism, the plague of "christian identity" psuedo-religion, ritual genital mutilation, fascism (one variety of non-revolutionary marxism), voodoo, the roman catholic church, cannibalism, ritual murder cults like the thuggee or anarchism is not racism or bigotry, it is a rational and valid value judgement.

b) all forms of cultural expression are NOT equally valid (see above)

c) leaving one land that is crushed under the bootheel of a dictator, destroyed by anarchism or dominated by a retrograde religious cult, yet insisting on bringing all those problems with you to a new land is not a rational choice, it is retarded, but too many immigrants do just that.

d) if somebody wants to become french, the best plan would be to move to france, where frenchness is the special of the day.

e) if you want to be french, and already live in france, wtf is the problem? have some wine, eat some snails and be rude to tourists.

f) if you want to be french, speak french, eat french food and be rude to tourists, yet insist on doing that in san francisco, well sure. you can do that, it's not a big deal. knock yourself out.

g) if you want to be a frenchman, but move to burkina faso, you cant really complain if shit doesnt work out for you

h) if you want to be a janjaweed murderer, throw acid in little girls faces, or hang burning car tires around somebody's neck, there are countries where that shit is considered acceptable. go find one.

i) if you try that shit in my town, it's not racism or bigotry when the arresting officer kicks a mud hole in your ass, then stomps it dry. that is Conscientious Policework.

j) to sum up, expecting your host nation to meekly accept the kind of bullshit that drove you out of your previous home is a non-starter. why wouldnt you simply stay in somalia if thats what youre into?

i hope that clears it up.

It really does! I can agree with all of those principals I believe, we both agree on this certainly. No problems there, all solid. Those who emigrate shouldn't be allowed to bring the tire burning to their non tire burning nation, agreed. What abut their food? Their theatre? Writing and music?

Emigrants bring with them these things, I don't think you would want full assimilation to the point where they lose part of their identity correct? We also don't want uneducated emigrants further bogging us down. Exchange of academics would come to a halt if we closed borders for example, I don't want that.

What are solutions then?
A broad question I know, but I often think about problems with no answers.

 

[heckler73]

I found something before I went to sleep which caused me to pause in a minor state of shock. I need to preface I have not been able to verify the blanket statements of the gentleman in this vid, but if what he is saying is true then the perversion of the concept of Jizya is another aspect of Islam which is causing serious issues with the adopting Nations. It appears some immigrant muslims see welfare as an entitlement from Allah which precludes them from needing to integrate or become productive citizens. Furthermore, there is no hesitation to engage in fraud (not that welfare fraud isn't an issue in the first place).

The problem is the "some" are apparently "most", and that is what shocked me.

Some stats I've been able to cull from the net:
40% of Denmark's welfare budget is spent on Muslims who make up 4% of the population
50% of Sweden's welfare budget is spent on "non-Western" immigrants who make up 5% of the pop.

I've seen some other, more stark analyses of the welfare economics surrounding the muslim population in the UK and it is even worse (85% living off the state?).
(sorry, no official citations to offer and they are based on 2012 stats IIRC. Hence, take with a large grain of salt, although the numbers are probably not too deviant from what has been posted; that is, the magnitude is comparable)

This is just madness, coupled with the "No-Go Zones" which are hostile to cops and non-muslims alike, this shit is not going to get better on its own, and it certainly was not the original intent of the adoptive Nations for this to happen. The idea was to bring people in who could integrate with some skills to help replace the falling birth rates with productive, tax-paying immigrants. But no...they do not pursue education (i.e. basics and language), nor employment, it would seem.

I consider the early 20th century "opinion" of Euro-jews, and I shudder at the contemplation of similarities to the Euro-Muslims of today. Even though the reasons may differ, the final sentiment is the same.
Disaster imminent? If policies aren't changed to require cultural education (i.e. language and historical basics of citizenship) along with employment seeking under threat of deportation, then it won't end for the better.

As for academics, they do not fall under this category of immigration since it is obvious they have something to offer at a practical level. I also know that countries like Norway, even though they offer free education, require one has at least US$15k to live off of before being allowed entry. So they can't be painted with the same brush as those who "seek asylum".

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

I need to stop researching this stuff. It's starting to make me feel ill...mostly because I didn't realize how destructive Islam was to democracy but also because it is causing me to wander into parts of the net where mostly troglodytes roam. However, I fail to see benefits from it in western society anymore. The only time in history where Islam has benefitted society was in the period around the 11th-12th centuries. Since then, its value has been in exponential decline (even by the Salafist doctrine which says only the first 3 generations, post-Mohammed, were "true" Islam), yet the numbers of gullible fools swell. That statistic is very telling of humanity's devolution.

Then again, all religions cause problems at some level. Some just cause more damage than others. At present, I have to conclude the unfettered expansion of Islam is a threat to western civilization just like an expansion of Nazism once was. The response of "hooligans" only adds to that dilemma via the potential.
Hitchens, Dawkins, Weinberg, etc. are correct.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. I haven't bothered to explore the violent crime stats. That would only make me more ill based on what cursory glimpses I've had of that area of focus.

And all this on top of technological unemployment...ugh.
That's enough for me. It's time to engage these people with serious personal inquiries, much in the same way as I used to challenge Christian Zealots, while lampooning the epileptic, illiterate pedophile who essentially plagiarized the Old & New Testaments. Remove the power from the illusion while exposing the cognitive dissonance which causes crises of faith, and the rest will unfold in line. Otherwise, we may have to send in Secret Agent Finshaggy...Islam will collapse if we can get him to infiltrate their organizations.

 

[Dr Kynes]

It really does! I can agree with all of those principals I believe, we both agree on this certainly. No problems there, all solid. Those who emigrate shouldn't be allowed to bring the tire burning to their non tire burning nation, agreed. What abut their food? Their theatre? Writing and music?

Emigrants bring with them these things, I don't think you would want full assimilation to the point where they lose part of their identity correct? We also don't want uneducated emigrants further bogging us down. Exchange of academics would come to a halt if we closed borders for example, I don't want that.

What are solutions then?
A broad question I know, but I often think about problems with no answers.

and still you miss the point.

culture is NOT race. protecting our culture has zero to do with bigotry, it is about trying to leave our society in a better condition for the next generation (ok, considering the Twatter Generation, maybe we should save it for the one after...)

look at bucky's frothing raving gibberings in this thread, he screams he rails, he makes wild accusations, but he cant tell the difference between keeping america (or germany or france or china, or japan) distinct , and racism.

everybody is racist unless they toe bucky's line, and embrace all the shitty horrible evil crap that goes down in other countries, all in the name of "tolerance" especially when the evil is 100% pure intolerance itself, like salafism wahhabism, or other forms of moslem fundamentalism.

he is irrational, driven by a need to be holier than though, so he rends his garments, puts on the sack cloth and ashes and flogs himself through the streets so we can all see how much he Feels his Feels.

it's all an act.

real multiculturalism doesnt demand "Black Power", "White Power", killing of serbs, blaming of jews, accusing others of being racist, politically correct speech codes, special rights for some, redacted rights for others, self-segregated enclaves where moslem gangs can roam the streets attacking girls who dont wear a hijab or any of the myriad evils bucky and his counterparts have created through deliberate actions and refusal to allow enforcement of laws through accusations of racism.

real multicultualism precludes all that shit, because people would RESPECT EACH OTHER and their differences instead of demanding other submit to the will of whichever group currently holds the Scepter of Victimhood.

thats how liberal democratic societies work. you can be whatever you desire as long as it doesnt stop anybody else from being what they wish, and thats why people from all over the world come here.

FREEDOM, and only the few who come to exploit abuse and erode those freedoms should be barred from entry

hell, even most of the illegal aliens who come here are great people, and many of them are just here to get some money so they can go back home, but that doesnt change the fact that they are here illegally, nor does it alter the economic realities that more workers mean lower wages for everybody.

i wish everybody could be peaceful and happy, and they could all grow old and get fat while their grandkids play in the grass, but thats not reality, only utopians and blessed lunatics can dream such mad dreams.

thats why we gotta look out for number 1 first, and then, when we got our shit settled THEN we can try to help everybody else.

but "That's Racist!!"

 

[UncleBuck]

look at bucky's frothing raving gibberings in this thread, he screams he rails, he makes wild accusations, but he cant tell the difference between keeping america (or germany or france or china, or japan) distinct , and racism.

there's that old KKK motto again.

"keep america american"

it gets less subtle all the time.

 

[UncleBuck]

I found something before I went to sleep which caused me to pause in a minor state of shock. I need to preface I have not been able to verify the blanket statements of the gentleman in this vid, but if what he is saying is true then the perversion of the concept of Jizya is another aspect of Islam which is causing serious issues with the adopting Nations. It appears some immigrant muslims see welfare as an entitlement from Allah which precludes them from needing to integrate or become productive citizens. Furthermore, there is no hesitation to engage in fraud (not that welfare fraud isn't an issue in the first place).
The problem is the "some" are apparently "most", and that is what shocked me.

Some stats I've been able to cull from the net:
40% of Denmark's welfare budget is spent on Muslims who make up 4% of the population
50% of Sweden's welfare budget is spent on "non-Western" immigrants who make up 5% of the pop.

I've seen some other, more stark analyses of the welfare economics surrounding the muslim population in the UK and it is even worse (85% living off the state?).
(sorry, no official citations to offer and they are based on 2012 stats IIRC. Hence, take with a large grain of salt, although the numbers are probably not too deviant from what has been posted; that is, the magnitude is comparable)

This is just madness, coupled with the "No-Go Zones" which are hostile to cops and non-muslims alike, this shit is not going to get better on its own, and it certainly was not the original intent of the adoptive Nations for this to happen. The idea was to bring people in who could integrate with some skills to help replace the falling birth rates with productive, tax-paying immigrants. But no...they do not pursue education (i.e. basics and language), nor employment, it would seem.

I consider the early 20th century "opinion" of Euro-jews, and I shudder at the contemplation of similarities to the Euro-Muslims of today. Even though the reasons may differ, the final sentiment is the same.
Disaster imminent? If policies aren't changed to require cultural education (i.e. language and historical basics of citizenship) along with employment seeking under threat of deportation, then it won't end for the better.

As for academics, they do not fall under this category of immigration since it is obvious they have something to offer at a practical level. I also know that countries like Norway, even though they offer free education, require one has at least US$15k to live off of before being allowed entry. So they can't be painted with the same brush as those who "seek asylum".

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

I need to stop researching this stuff. It's starting to make me feel ill...mostly because I didn't realize how destructive Islam was to democracy but also because it is causing me to wander into parts of the net where mostly troglodytes roam. However, I fail to see benefits from it in western society anymore. The only time in history where Islam has benefitted society was in the period around the 11th-12th centuries. Since then, its value has been in exponential decline (even by the Salafist doctrine which says only the first 3 generations, post-Mohammed, were "true" Islam), yet the numbers of gullible fools swell. That statistic is very telling of humanity's devolution.

Then again, all religions cause problems at some level. Some just cause more damage than others. At present, I have to conclude the unfettered expansion of Islam is a threat to western civilization just like an expansion of Nazism once was. The response of "hooligans" only adds to that dilemma via the potential.
Hitchens, Dawkins, Weinberg, etc. are correct.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. I haven't bothered to explore the violent crime stats. That would only make me more ill based on what cursory glimpses I've had of that area of focus.

And all this on top of technological unemployment...ugh.
That's enough for me. It's time to engage these people with serious personal inquiries, much in the same way as I used to challenge Christian Zealots, while lampooning the epileptic, illiterate pedophile who essentially plagiarized the Old & New Testaments. Remove the power from the illusion while exposing the cognitive dissonance which causes crises of faith, and the rest will unfold in line. Otherwise, we may have to send in Secret Agent Finshaggy...Islam will collapse if we can get him to infiltrate their organizations.

serious question: how many muslims have you personally known in your life?

not just known, but hung out with, been friends with, etcetera.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

I found something before I went to sleep which caused me to pause in a minor state of shock. I need to preface I have not been able to verify the blanket statements of the gentleman in this vid, but if what he is saying is true then the perversion of the concept of Jizya is another aspect of Islam which is causing serious issues with the adopting Nations. It appears some immigrant muslims see welfare as an entitlement from Allah which precludes them from needing to integrate or become productive citizens. Furthermore, there is no hesitation to engage in fraud (not that welfare fraud isn't an issue in the first place).
The problem is the "some" are apparently "most", and that is what shocked me.

Some stats I've been able to cull from the net:
40% of Denmark's welfare budget is spent on Muslims who make up 4% of the population
50% of Sweden's welfare budget is spent on "non-Western" immigrants who make up 5% of the pop.

I've seen some other, more stark analyses of the welfare economics surrounding the muslim population in the UK and it is even worse (85% living off the state?).
(sorry, no official citations to offer and they are based on 2012 stats IIRC. Hence, take with a large grain of salt, although the numbers are probably not too deviant from what has been posted; that is, the magnitude is comparable)

This is just madness, coupled with the "No-Go Zones" which are hostile to cops and non-muslims alike, this shit is not going to get better on its own, and it certainly was not the original intent of the adoptive Nations for this to happen. The idea was to bring people in who could integrate with some skills to help replace the falling birth rates with productive, tax-paying immigrants. But no...they do not pursue education (i.e. basics and language), nor employment, it would seem.

I consider the early 20th century "opinion" of Euro-jews, and I shudder at the contemplation of similarities to the Euro-Muslims of today. Even though the reasons may differ, the final sentiment is the same.
Disaster imminent? If policies aren't changed to require cultural education (i.e. language and historical basics of citizenship) along with employment seeking under threat of deportation, then it won't end for the better.

As for academics, they do not fall under this category of immigration since it is obvious they have something to offer at a practical level. I also know that countries like Norway, even though they offer free education, require one has at least US$15k to live off of before being allowed entry. So they can't be painted with the same brush as those who "seek asylum".

Meanwhile, in Michigan...

I need to stop researching this stuff. It's starting to make me feel ill...mostly because I didn't realize how destructive Islam was to democracy but also because it is causing me to wander into parts of the net where mostly troglodytes roam. However, I fail to see benefits from it in western society anymore. The only time in history where Islam has benefitted society was in the period around the 11th-12th centuries. Since then, its value has been in exponential decline (even by the Salafist doctrine which says only the first 3 generations, post-Mohammed, were "true" Islam), yet the numbers of gullible fools swell. That statistic is very telling of humanity's devolution.

Then again, all religions cause problems at some level. Some just cause more damage than others. At present, I have to conclude the unfettered expansion of Islam is a threat to western civilization just like an expansion of Nazism once was. The response of "hooligans" only adds to that dilemma via the potential.
Hitchens, Dawkins, Weinberg, etc. are correct.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. I haven't bothered to explore the violent crime stats. That would only make me more ill based on what cursory glimpses I've had of that area of focus.

And all this on top of technological unemployment...ugh.
That's enough for me. It's time to engage these people with serious personal inquiries, much in the same way as I used to challenge Christian Zealots, while lampooning the epileptic, illiterate pedophile who essentially plagiarized the Old & New Testaments. Remove the power from the illusion while exposing the cognitive dissonance which causes crises of faith, and the rest will unfold in line. Otherwise, we may have to send in Secret Agent Finshaggy...Islam will collapse if we can get him to infiltrate their organizations.

I cannot say that I have ever encountered a Muslim family that has taken advantage of such things. Never. Always hard working families, mostly Kurds from my history. I will make a few phone calls and discuss this concept with a few Muslim associates. The historic roots certainly are feudal-like in nature: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

 

[heckler73]

serious question: how many muslims have you personally known in your life?

not just known, but hung out with, been friends with, etcetera.

I was actually pondering that matter. In the trades and service sectors, I have worked with nearly every variety of 'religious' types. Hindus, Sikhs, Rastas (great welders BTW), Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Wiccans, and First Nations. I fail to recall ever meeting a Muslim in any place or business I have been associated with. That's why I need to make some extra effort going forward to engage them in conversation since they clearly have not sought me out.
Friends? None that I can recall or they kept it to themselves. My Iranian buds at University are all atheists. My Somali relative is also essentially Atheist (although, being in Italy, she's kind of 'forced' to entertain some Catholicism on special occasions).

I cannot say that I have ever encountered a Muslim family that has taken advantage of such things. Never. Always hard working families, mostly Kurds from my history. I will make a few phone calls and discuss this concept with a few Muslim associates. The historic roots certainly are feudal-like in nature: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

Again, I just don't have enough personal experience with them. I need to make a greater effort to seek them out and communicate, before I wind up poisoning my mind with all the negative propaganda.
However, I am still dismayed by the perverse possibilities which can spring from Islam, and will continue to try and dismantle those elements. And that includes drawing Mohammed.
All theocratic ideologies deserve to be rubbished. Not one serves a productive purpose in western democracies. As my science colleagues all agree, we should be living in societies of empiricism, not fairy-tales.
To that end, I need to start collecting data myself at the local level...by communicating.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

I was actually pondering that matter. In the trades and service sectors, I have worked with nearly every variety of 'religious' types. Hindus, Sikhs, Rastas (great welders BTW), Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Wiccans, and First Nations. I fail to recall ever meeting a Muslim in any place or business I have been associated with. That's why I need to make some extra effort going forward to engage them in conversation since they clearly have not sought me out.
Friends? None that I can recall or they kept it to themselves. My Iranian buds at University are all atheists. My Somali relative is also essentially Atheist (although, being in Italy, she's kind of 'forced' to entertain some Catholicism on special occasions).


Again, I just don't have enough personal experience with them. I need to make a greater effort to seek them out and communicate, before I wind up poisoning my mind with all the negative propaganda.
However, I am still dismayed by the perverse possibilities which can spring from Islam, and will continue to try and dismantle those elements. And that includes drawing Mohammed.
All theocratic ideologies deserve to be rubbished. Not one serves a productive purpose in western democracies. As my science colleagues all agree, we should be living in societies of empiricism, not fairy-tales.
To that end, I need to start collecting data myself at the local level...by communicating.

The easiest research I ever did on Later Day Saints was when I invited two young missionaries Who knocked on the door in for lemonade while we discussed things. I learned that LDS was even more confusing and stranger then the more ancient religions. Still just as equally silly though.

I do appreciate that religion seems to hold more humans at bay then perhaps ultimate negativity it has projected so far. Sky daddy keeps a lot of people in line, spaghetti monsters, or Tralfamadorians, what-have-you. That's my own opinion though, I still have some thinking to do on that topic.

I do know that the Somali immigrants that are often cab drivers in Seattle bust their asses hacking. I don't suspect they would qualify with cabbie wages for any sort of assistance I can think of. Small sample size there though, totally anecdotal and only one region.

Is this sort of social 'push' only occuring Europe?

 

[heckler73]

The easiest research I ever did on Later Day Saints was when I invited two young missionaries Who knocked on the door in for lemonade while we discussed things. I learned that LDS was even more confusing and stranger then the more ancient religions. Still just as equally silly though.

I wind up scaring the Mormons when they come to my door. When they start telling me their tales, I begin throwing the Tao Te Ching at them. They seem to fumble around with dialectic thought, probably because they don't have a solid foundation philosophically. Coupled with their crippled version of the Bible, one can't expect them to have that much depth. Have you read their version before? I recall it being funny, but I haven't read it in years.

Is this sort of social 'push' only occuring Europe?

An excellent question. To answer that, here's an article from my area which presents a brief analysis of Muslims in Canada. The issues I've brought up are Euro focused, but I did stumble across some articles about similar issues in Australia. That aside, in Canada, while there are problems with integration, it is not like Scandinavia.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/12/13/muslims-beyond-the-headlines/

I might need to pick up that book, but some of those stats he discusses are not exactly 'comforting'. He also explains why I have not come across Muslims anywhere near as much as Sikhs and Hindus, or Persians. The irony there is Sikhs and Hindus are more likely to live in mono-ethnic neighbourhoods. I can say that is true. Around Vancouver, we have ethnic areas, but they aren't hostile to locals (or the law) by any stretch of the imagination. Also note the employment stats. Our imports are clearly of different quality than what Europe is absorbing.

 

[Wilksey]

lemme 'splain:

a) Race is not Culture.

Too bad most people are FAR too g'damn stupid to figure that shit out, especially here in the "politics" section of RIU.