Having troubles increasing my yield

[chuck estevez]

You say your not trying to split hairs ! Are you serious , who cares if its lumens or par used to describe the fact that 99% of all 600 watt hps bulbs are the same brightness,lumens,par , brightness ect , its all the same no matter how you word it , a 600 hps is a 600 hps when it comes to light output ,period .

Your 3 posts have made it perfectly clear that YOU HAVE A PROBLEM with my " wastefull " spending as well as enviromental issues about saving space at the landfill , ive read every post in this thread & nowhere do i see you offer the OP any advice related to his questions about how to increase his yields.

Then you nit pick my advice over trivial issues that will in no way ever apply to the OP's questions or help him in any way with his yield ,next you go as far as saying you hope a newb dont read my post & replace his bulbs 50 times a year , pretty dramatic dont ya think .

Since you felt the need to correct me on using precision terminology in describing light values i'll respond with this fact , every hour ANY BRAND high intensity bulb is used the bulb's light output decreases & gives off less light , that isnt just my opinion but a well known fact , most renowned grow guru's recommend installing new bulbs every 2 grows due to this measurable light loss & the effect of the lost light output on overall yields .

Just because we cant see a change in light output dont mean the bulb is still operating at peak output , dollars lost in wasted electricity powering an inefficient bulb could easily pay for the bulbs replacement costs after 2 grows on wasted electricity alone , thats not even counting lost/added bud weights .

It seems your reasons for posting are more about your enviromental issues & personal spending than helping the OP's questions about increasing his yields , pretty sad .

 

[vro]

just do what they do in florida and veg the plants for 4 months under mh's then just flower that shit and theyll be so big

 

[Aeroknow]

Wow, that's a trip. The difference between the batwing and the standard reflector was that huge of a difference. Crazy!
I've never used cool tube lights like the OP is using. And I haven't used cheesy ass batwing reflectors like he is using, in a very long time. I wonder now, if the cooltube/batwing reflector is whats fucking him.

Makes me wonder about this cheesy reflector on these DE setups i'm trying Chuck. It could probably be even better.

 

[chuck estevez]

Wow, that's a trip. The difference between the batwing and the standard reflector was that huge of a difference. Crazy!
I've never used cool tube lights like the OP is using. And I haven't used cheesy ass batwing reflectors like he is using, in a very long time. I wonder now, if the cooltube/batwing reflector is whats fucking him.

Makes me wonder about this cheesy reflector on these DE setups i'm trying Chuck. It could probably be even better.

yeah, it really shows the importance of a good reflector, you get what you pay for.

 

[Aeroknow]

Just an FYI for everyone,
Hortilux recommends replacing hps bulbs after 9-10 months. Running 12 hrs a day.
And they want to sell you a new bulb as often as they can. Think about it

 

[Alienwidow]

I think i agree with everyone that your grow looks really good. I don't think that the lack of weight has anything to do with the fertilizer your using. I do however think it may have something to do with your cool tubes and your lack of co2. i understand that the cool tubes must stay if your not going to purchase a mini split but co2 costs 100 for a tank,70 for a regulator, and about 50 bucks for three months worth of gas. Thats way less than what i would guess its made up for. With co2 its like i can almost hear them twisting and curling toward the sky. And if you get that mini split check out the new double ended lamps. They've been dropping huge numbers all over the place lately.

 

[Sativied]

Overall it still only gives me 1400g when I think I should be up around 2000g overall which would be .5 g per watt.

How is that even possible with 4x 1kW without the reason being obvious... do half your plants die or fly away before harvest? 0.5 gpw would still be pretty bad from 4x1kw. 1400g would barely be good enough from 2x1kw.

Pro quality original HPS bulbs from philips or gavita that is...


Did you say AK47... and still not even 0.5gpw??

I might post a more helpful reply in a couple of hours, haven't read the entire thread yet maybe it's all been said already.

 

[Alienwidow]

How is that even possible with 4x 1kW without the reason being obvious... do half your plants die or fly away before harvest? 0.5 gpw would still be pretty bad from 4x1kw. 1400g would barely be good enough from 2x1kw.

Pro quality original HPS bulbs from philips or gavita that is...
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Did you say AK47... and still not even 0.5gpw??

I might post a more helpful reply in a couple of hours, haven't read the entire thread yet maybe it's all been said already.

my AK would be offended hearing less than a gpw.

 

[TheChemist77]

i use a cool tube w/ reflector, the 2 cooltubes in line w/ 2 200 cfm inline fans and ducting out the roof.. i need the cooltubes to hold the heat as it is pulled through them.. i know there is light loss w cooltubes but what other alternitive is there?? any hood w/ glass is going to lose light..but i need a closed hood to control the heat output by the lights.. please let me know if there is another way to go w/out losing light but still containing the heat??? i clean the tubes w/ a duster every 8 weeks and use plantmax bulbs and change them every year w/ no loss of bud size..cheap bulbs are not always cheaply made as i love them.. ive used more expensive bulbs in the past when doing side by side compares and never saw a huge diference, the only bulb i saw that was subpar was the apollo hps.. wile the apollo mh was fine..even the huge grow op in mi use plantmax or ultra sun but they replace them every cycle or 2..

 

[woody333333]

I know. Who gives a fuck about the planet, right?




Shocker

what's so shocking?...... I can see the difference between a bulb that's been run a grow and a new one......I can see the difference between a yield master and an Apollo......... its not that shocking....

 

[Alienwidow]

i use a cool tube w/ reflector, the 2 cooltubes in line w/ 2 200 cfm inline fans and ducting out the roof.. i need the cooltubes to hold the heat as it is pulled through them.. i know there is light loss w cooltubes but what other alternitive is there?? any hood w/ glass is going to lose light..but i need a closed hood to control the heat output by the lights.. please let me know if there is another way to go w/out losing light but still containing the heat??? i clean the tubes w/ a duster every 8 weeks and use plantmax bulbs and change them every year w/ no loss of bud size..cheap bulbs are not always cheaply made as i love them.. ive used more expensive bulbs in the past when doing side by side compares and never saw a huge diference, the only bulb i saw that was subpar was the apollo hps.. wile the apollo mh was fine..even the huge grow op in mi use plantmax or ultra sun but they replace them every cycle or 2..

all i can suggest is since its a cold winter in most relevant parts of the word that you could pull more air from outside in to cool the room. or make the a/c investment, but thats a pricey way to go and may not be the cost efec†I've thing to do in your situation. hell if you get some in the bag at the end of the grow and don't waste all your time and money doing it, then your doin alright

 

[Gquebed]

It seems to me the best thing you can do is get your girls some fresh air. I know you said it is a problem but that right there made a HUGE difference in my yields. It made me think I should go to a closed Co 2 set up.

Also Scrog. I veg for 8 weeks in 7 gal pots and Scrog...halved my plant count and upped my yield by 50% or more...and I am still a new. ..

 

[Aeroknow]

I think i agree with everyone that your grow looks really good. I don't think that the lack of weight has anything to do with the fertilizer your using. I do however think it may have something to do with your cool tubes and your lack of co2. i understand that the cool tubes must stay if your not going to purchase a mini split but co2 costs 100 for a tank,70 for a regulator, and about 50 bucks for three months worth of gas. Thats way less than what i would guess its made up for. With co2 its like i can almost hear them twisting and curling toward the sky. And if you get that mini split check out the new double ended lamps. They've been dropping huge numbers all over the place lately.

It seems to me the best thing you can do is get your girls some fresh air. I know you said it is a problem but that right there made a HUGE difference in my yields. It made me think I should go to a closed Co 2 set up.

Also Scrog. I veg for 8 weeks in 7 gal pots and Scrog...halved my plant count and upped my yield by 50% or more...and I am still a new. ..

Yeah, I would personally like to see @Medicanman either seal up room and get proper size ac and bust out the Co2, or get some more air exchange going. Which would obviously require reworking his current air exchange setup.

And yeah, it's probably not the nutes he's using. Like I had already mentioned, I've used that AN(oh the blasphemy lol)3part, and it didn't hurt anything.

 

[TheChemist77]

i have 2 220 cfm fans bringing cold outside air in on a thermostat and a 400 cfm exaughst w/ carbon filter exaughtsting hot air into the basement as it was always cold down there and in summer the exaughst goes out the roof and that is all seperate from the 2 inlines attached to my lights..my fans can replace the air in the room in about 5 minutes, during the winter i can probably get away w/out using the cool tubes but during summer months even w/ the A/C in the room id need the cooltubes so i just use them year round, pluss id have to buy new reflectors just for summer and were i live summer really doesnt get above the upper 80's usually and at nights during summer i can usually just bring in outside air.. durring winter my room temps stay steady at 65 and no higher than 70 at the plant canopy,, summer room temps are 72 and about 78 at plant canopy..my res is always in the 60's year round on the cold basement floor..